title”: “Can Mandela Barnes Defeat Tom Tiffany? Unpacking the Political Landscape

Good morning. Welcome to Community Voice. I'm your host Keith Ferris. I want to thank everybody for joining us this morning. Good morning, Clark. How are you this morning? Thank you. And Apostle, how are you this morning? I'm doing very, very fairly well there, brother. Fairly well, fairly well. We do our own Negro spiritual this morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. All right. Good morning Milwaukee. Uh, man.

OK, I had to make a little bit of an adjustment. Again, thank you, Michelle. We have really worked on making sure that Kennedy is culturally competent. You know, one of the first books she got was the Anti-Racist Baby, and we moved on from there. So again, good morning. Let's see what I look like here. I don't like this angle, man. We got a better angle.

No, okay. Do I need to move in the middle? Can I quiet today? No, man. I just just this angle this I know it's one of the morning for me man. God told me she and I got my my bathroom two hours with the pipes. Oh They was so old. They was there when the house was built. Yeah, but the guy left my

I only one time but I'm gonna get my ass started cussing on radio so I'm gonna leave it alone. I gotta be your lives right here. Three words. Next to Ken. My buddy uh he was talking we was talking about a roof and how um when we got our roof replaced and actually we used uh because a guy on our block

He does a lot of that so we went through it got a great deal The guys that worked on it though were from Lake Lake Geneva My buddy asked me he said so were they Mexicans? No No, they were not And so then you know then we get in this whole discussion and have to always be careful how we talk about black people because

Nah, sister. Gotta be careful how we talk about black folks cuz And I tell people I don't want to be stereotypical. I don't want to be pejorative but When you see Roofs getting done and who's doing those roofs and how long it takes them to do the roof You figure it out

Because, man, these dudes, and I thought roofers got paid a lot of money. They don't. They get like between $12, $14 an hour. And they're out, ooh, man, in all kind of weather. Because when we got our roof done, it was Thanksgiving week. It snowed on that Monday, that Sunday, that Monday, they waited. The Monday afternoon, they was there. They cleared it out. They had to come in and do some little stuff after the day after Thanksgiving.

But they got it done now I have seen some brothers And I'm going

They showed up with 900 people of all ages Everybody everybody had a job and everybody did a job. Yep lunch hour was Because you got a minute to pull you I mean a half a minute to pull your food out Eat half a minute to put your little lunchbox away and when I tell you they work

from that, if that job said they started at eight o'clock, they work from eight to five, no nonsense. Them folks, and it was up there without even a little safety strap song. I said, y'all have a little thing, can't you fall off the roof? That man's roof was done just like that. It ain't matter of days. On the other hand, some of y'all cousins did the roof on the house we in right now.

They wanted you to buy a material

They was doing our room on the 1st of July. They was barbecuing in front of our house. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. He was barbecuing.

Yeah, they were doing the roof, doing the holiday season, while before they came on the 4th of July, they were barbecue in front of the house. They had a little grill. We put up like, I would not lie on this. I'm not lying. Wait, so they used your property. No, they put the barbecue grill in front of the sidewalk. It's still your property. No, it's not. It's the sidewalk. It's the same as the city. There was another property.

They just had their lunch cooking while they was working. That's it. Don't try to make this bad. You can't spend it no other way. And again, we're trying not to be stereotypical. Door pejorative. But what have I said though? All of the work that had to be done in that house to move back in that house. Painting, carpet, take up removal.

Um, just just all kinds of stuff couldn't hire. Nobody black Guess what color they are? Yeah The Asian people put down the floor It was two They put down living room family room dining room floor floors

And just two of them showed up. See, they ain't show up like the Mexicans. They showed up just two. And you was like, well, this is going to take all day in a couple of days. And one of them was like 75. It was the man who looked like he was in his late 30s, early 40s, and his daddy. Them two men put all three of them floors in in one day. Yeah. And let me shout this out. A 29 minute lunch break, too.

and was right back at it. This is why I don't want to be, because there are. Because we play too much. Because the guy that I used, Jesse, there, get it done, get it done, right? Yeah. Now, I'm just saying, did my boy go, ah, so you got a problem with black people? I said the first thing you asked me was, did Mexicans do it?

I'm just saying so you know what man now some of this is just on us But I'm gonna do a whole thing on it and I use this quote You run faster when you're hungry Yeah, you run faster when you're hungry when people out there trying to make this is how they eat But you know what but the other thing too, you know it cuz I'm just not about running fast. I'm also about quality You know if you got pride in yourself for your work

then you show up in a way that represents that. And it's just, but that's why I say all these people railing against these Mexicans doing it, and this work that they're doing, everybody I know got Mexicans doing their work. Everybody I know. Because it's fast, it's clean. I mean, they came in and did that man stuff across the street, and you couldn't tell when they left that anybody had been there.

There was no debris left. At the end of the day, five o'clock shift, it was clean around that house. It was no excess laying around for the tomorrow. I mean, it was impressive. Yeah, it was impressive. And then I had, we had true removal. And it's the Mexican dude lived out of the street from us. He was like, hey, hey, and I love this guy. I don't even know. I just learned his name, like in the last two months, but he will see me.

plowing our driveway and he would come through with his truck plow and like where the city beat a replowed you back in. Dude would come through there here clear that whole front of that driveway and just wave his hand and keep going. I stopped and I was like, let me give you some man. He was like, nah, you good? I didn't even know he was a neighbor. I just thought he was working the area. But he lived at the end of the block. You know what? I do that for my neighbors on my block, for my snowblower. I go down the whole block.

That's what I used to do when I was on Sherman. That's what I used to do. All you got to do is shovel your sidewall. I got this. And a lot of them didn't have snowblowers. And so you just would do it. But he looked in our yard after that storm took that tree out. Oh. And that tree, you know, we had Hassan Mike come out there. They had told us like $800, $900 to take this tree out and all of this. He came through. He said, you guys might take care of that tree. And we was like, yeah, we got a quote. He said, tell me what the quote is.

He came in at less than half of the quote and he was like, uh, we'll be over here. Serity. I left went to the bank came back. The tree was gone. Wow. The bank is on brown. I was on Calumet. He is a Hispanic man. Listen, his granddaughter was out there helping. Don't forget the drinking breaks and asking for cigarettes. This is honest to God. True.

Before I started, you know, doing this here, I picked up a little. Oh, you're so country. Shut up. This here. When I started doing this, I picked up a little side job with my guy. He got a little roofing thing that he do. I ain't gonna say the name of him because people know who he is. But so he does roofing. So I picked up a little job working with him. I just got through. So.

I'm carrying towels up the ladder to the roof. It's hot as a fool up there, whatever. But this is what I notice about our people. We'll get started. We'll start something. This dude said, man, let's take a smoke break and go get some meat. But the smoke break, it wasn't a cigarette break. It was a cousin smoke break. So it's like.

It's like a team of like four of us. Okay. So we take a smoke break, go get something to eat. Doc, when I tell you, it took us forever to do this one house because after you take the smoke break and get something to eat, it's like, I'm going to see y'all tomorrow. So, you know, all in the front, part of this person's house was all of the equipment that they left. That's what I was saying. Just left it there. We were like, we'll be back in the morning. But I looked at that like, it's a shame because

It's us. It's a work ethic. Yeah. It's us. And I'm paying real money. Yeah. Like, I'm paying real money for this. It's not a sin. And people don't understand, man. Look, it's hard work. Yeah. And people expect it to get done. The difference between many of us is that we are two generations removed from our folks coming from the South, who used to hard work, used to being on time, do what you're supposed to do. We got this whole thing like, you know, I'm going to do it.

I'm with you. A lot of these folks ain't even capitalized enough to be able to do what you normally do, right? You know, so, right? Why am I going to Home Depot to pick up stuff? That's what you're supposed to look at. Because, man, they looked at the roof, said, this is what we're going to need. They had the dumpster in the backyard. Now, these were white folks from Lake Geneva. Because again, when you, I'm thinking like roofers get $25, $30 an hour between $12 and $14 an hour. Now,

depending on where you are, that's enough to take care of your family. But it's an issue right now with, and look, at some point, that culture is going to begin to experience what we're experiencing now because they, second generation, I ain't getting out there like my old man.

But you're right. It's the whole family thing because we had some mace, you know some concrete work just don't start a business if you don't want to do it for real I'm with you and that's the whole thing and then and then don't make me feel oh man You need to you need to support black business you competing you competing with other businesses. It is not my job

to make sure you stay in business. It's your job to make sure you stay in business. And then the other thing that's frustrating for me, you make it harder for other black businesses. Exactly. People gonna do what they're supposed to do. Because people gonna judge all of us based on what you did when you showed up and make it easier for folks to be like, I'm not gonna use them. I understand when I show up in spaces all the time, whether I want to or not,

represent other Black folks. So I show up in a way that's professional, doing what I'm supposed to do on time, in and out. And it's just frustrating, but no. Let me tell you something else. You socialize it when you should be working. And you, how can you go to certain fast food joints? You got eight people working, one person in line, and it takes forever. Because it's how we program people to work.

And when it's time to work, like I say, whatever that system is, they got a chick for lay.

It needs to be institutionalized everywhere Whatever they whoever whoever designed a train

The guy that did the tree of my neighbor, black. You can see all the wood sawdust on the side of my garage. Just left it there. Just the tree. You couldn't tell the tree was never there. I mean, they cleaned up everything. Everything. But can I play this before I go? D-bye. So yeah, it's your program. Down in Louisiana, they're getting ready for a birthday to come through.

the the storm. It's kind of already come through. I don't know. Has it come through already? But this reporter interviewed this brother to ask him how he was going to prepare for birthday to come through. Yeah, ready? We're with Tropical Storm birth expected to make landfall tonight. What are you planning to do to stay safe? I don't know. I don't know. I can't. Yeah. Me and this little chicken right here. We're going to be just fine. Stay safe out here. Just what color is?

He was actually holding a chicken under his arm while he was doing the interview y'all

But he literally said with a camera in his face. I'm going to the dope house Well smoke as much crack as I can be and it's chicken right here That's like, you know, we doing our live duty

And you know, we invite people in to come in and greet and remember come in. What's happening? Let me shout out all my niggas. We can't use. Come on. I want to shout out all my niggas.

That's why I love my people. I love African people all over the world. Carla, welcome to the program.

Good morning. Yes, it is. I know some of them. I know some of them. But anyway, and another thing that quit on you one third way of the job, all that. Yeah, you know what, man? And that's the piece. You know, my mom always look at me crazy when I tell the story. I said, I was down in Tennessee with my cousins. I'm 14. Dude say, hey, man, you won't go meet some girls. Yes.

I'm 14. So we go, man. He said, well, man, we're going to go work in the field. OK. No problem. Man, I went out. I don't know if you ever chop cotton. You know what that is? I did. That's clearing the weeds from around the cotton plant so they don't choke. I did it. I did it. Dude, I worked so hard that day. And I made up in my mind, I'm going to college. Oh, man, I was out there one day.

One day, you know, I was built for that. We knew and you not built for that because I did it for a whole summer. Dude, you a whole summer. Wait a minute. I don't know how much you get for the day. $12. Okay. You got more than me. I got $7. $12 from us from six in the morning till four, three o'clock. What did what Jesse Jackson say? You work from KC in the morning to KC at night. And here's the thing. I'm just show you, man, just how labor is exploited.

when you pick cotton they would have the people wait right you sitting there on that on that truck and you would wait until the sun came up to dry out the cotton why because the cotton is lighter so you don't get as much money man so when people sit up here let me shout out uh my my my Chicano folks who out there picking you know fruit

If you chop cotton, it's called a hoe, right? H-O-E. And it's a lot. Well, in order to clear the crops in California, they use a short hoe. So it's half the length. So those people are bended over clearing every day. Every day. Every hour. And they finally made them put bathrooms out there so people could use the bathroom and then they could get water.

So when I hear Meach and other people calling to here talking about, they taking our jobs. Americans don't want to work that job. Man, you can't even get an average black person in Milwaukee to go do chocolate. Oh, man. Call it. Welcome to the program. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Hey, good morning to you, brother. I was just listening to you guys were talking about the migrant workers.

And, you know, we've talked about how we two generations out, and you probably right. We probably, yeah, two generations would be about right. What's happening here is that our youth, man, we've tried to give our youth, me coming out the streets, but I still had a little, you know, vocational skill. You know, vocational, he's the difference between vocational and higher education.

And what we did, what our people did, is sent us out for higher education and forgot about the vocational piece. And we pushed that in our inner cities all around the country. That's why your wood shops and your metal shops and your auto mechanics and your home economics, all that was removed out of most inner city schools. Now, the suburban schools, they still carry it in some places.

And so you got your armed workers, you got kids coming out with that kind of motor skills to do that, you know, to actually do that, man. They're motivated, you know. So us trying to reach back now and grab on through our vocational trade is kind of hard to do and it almost seems impossible because the people that removed that already had seen a cheaper workforce from somewhere else

They already seen it. See, we look at it right now. Well, that's not one of the reasons. One of the things was that it was called tracky, where you were moving like particularly black males into skills that was more menial labor than you going doing like, you know, the academic stuff. And that's one of the reasons why. And then as you said, there was a change because I interview a lot of people who are graduates of tech.

and back in the 60s and going into the 70s, people saw the trades as a way out, right? And so, and trades still are. I mean, you get like high center, but I'm saying right, but it's not, and I can't even make the argument that for people like, oh, the reason why I don't know this is because I was pursuing academics. That's not true. Not for black males.

Hold on brother. Hold on brother for black. No other than sent off to college ain't gonna know nothing about getting up on the roof or or even cutting the angle But there's some dudes though, let me say this there's some dudes who that was their summer job when they came home from college They were up if the old man had a job So what I'm saying is of course, I didn't go to college to be a roofer I'm just saying that you have people out there at this point where they don't have a college degree

They don't have college education. Some people have not finished high school. All right. So what kind of work are you going to get because your educational background? That's what puts them in a vocational class. That's why we went to Jewish vocational job service when we was kids. We went to CYD on Titanium Center, you know,

those were vocations setting up the Urban League when they was on Tencent Center. They sent us out to places like that man. You see what's happening is all of that's been removed so we got a bunch of young people right now running around rapping. Some of them we can grab on to and we can learn them how to how to do certain things okay but the majority man is so

You know, and I'm not I'm not giving me you don't know where you get no roof done at $10 an hour man $14 now because most of your roof was even the Mexican roof was they won't like $300 a day. You understand that's a per man So I don't know where you what would happen if you go in and you go go what the average with the average With the average weight is between 12 to $14 an hour

Brother maybe picking it up putting it in a dumpster as a as a manual laborer But actually getting up on that with man if you actually if you actually call it a real contractor They don't beat it in already. I bet you they had about a hundred seventy five dollars a man the Mexicans won three hundred dollars a day man Well, I don't know if like I said Mexicans working hard in a mud they ain't cheap brother I'm telling you it depends on who you getting your work done through

Right. And because your bid is going to be based on the cost of labor to them. And I'm telling you that certain people go in, but just just Google it. What is the average? This is how it works. But look at it, man. But hold on. Beach, Beach, look it up, man. Look it up. I don't have to look it up. Yes, you do. Because you sit up here making an argument. No, brother, I'm out here in it every day. But you but you ate the world.

But I understand that, but this, okay, check this out. This is what happens, man. A guy comes in, a contractor comes in, he gives the job, right? He gives the job at, let's say 22,000, okay? He gives it at 22,000. He goes back, he goes back, he already got his work team. Now, his team, he might pay $12 an hour, $14 an hour, but he done bidded it at the regular cost. That's how he makes money.

I can't hear you. Look, I have a contract with the county. I'm paid through a temp agency. The temp agency charges the county the top of that rate.

I'm not getting the top of the rate. That's how they make their money. They're making their money based on the fact that this is what is coming in at this is the top that you pay for this position. Technically, the job is not any cheaper. Now, when you go through a temporary service, what it does say is that major company, the insurance and workman's comp, because that pays through the temporary service. But when you, but that stays on that level.

But when you're really looking at it, brother, you ain't getting no deal. The people that's getting it, the people that's getting the deal is the contractor. Then he's dispersed the money out to the deal, the deal, the, the market dictates the price. Right. You know, so it's the market. So if there's a demand, so it is cheaper to get your roof done in the winter, then it would be in the summer.

Am I correct? I can agree to that. Because in the winter, people are not... Material prices even come and you get a break on that. Right, because in the winter, people are usually not getting their roofs. If you drive now, look at all the roofs that are getting done right now. People next door to me, they put a patio in and they put down some, a new driveway. Man, they were out there, those days it was 100 degrees, they out there working in that weather. And they probably wasn't getting paid, but any...

But anybody would do that, man, with a job. No, anybody won't. That's the point we're making. Hold on, hold on. That's the point anybody won't. There's a whole lot of black males who do not see themselves getting out there working like that. They don't have the vocational. I'm not going to put the brothers down. The skill set, you learn the skill set out of that, man. None of those Mexicans went to trade school to learn how to do a roof. No, but you know what? They learned on the job. They will teach you on the job.

It's pretty simple what you have to do. You know what the Mexicans need? It's true. The Mexicans are passing it on back to the, they're passing it down. They're not passing, they're passing the skill down. So they bring, see that's what they're doing. I'm not going to get them people, man. I mean, look at man, our people work just good. Matter of fact, I'd like to show you some work that was just done. It'll blow your mind. I appreciate you, man. Let me go. I'm on the break. And guess what?

The deal was, the deal we cut them in, they cut them in half, so cold, man, because everybody else was at 37, 40, 42. We come in there, man, the dog on there cut it in half and it looks so cold, so nice, so lovely, everybody, love it.

All right. This is just recent. This is real stuff, man. Black folk get down. Look, Mexican stuff started blowing off. You go three days later. That ain't true. That ain't true. Six months later, stuff started going off the side of the building, man. That ain't true. And again, I'm trying to be very careful not to do any quality. I'm trying to be very careful not to be pejorative and say,

But when people look at their anecdotal experience, first of all, if you look at all the roofs, most of the roofs getting done are not done where you see black people even up on those roofs, right? Correct. All right. So then the point becomes, why? Common talked about with the song, The Corner, and he was saying how we've been standing on The Corner. We're used to nine to five. Michelle just told you.

If the job starts at 8, these people start at 8. Ain't nobody pulling up at 8.15, 8.20? And then you're going to take a break at 9.30? Everybody ain't doing that, man. OK, OK. Everybody ain't doing that. And I agree with that. Most of the time, black folks want to get a deal. So they go deals. Yeah, no, no. But see, that's the problem. You want to get a deal. You get what you want. You know what? You can put a black person on the job. Get what you pay for. Or you can do the job. You get what you pay for.

I'm gonna say you get what you pay for. Hold on. Listen, first of all, when you're working for most of us, we want a deal. Everybody want a deal, Meach. Everybody want a deal. But once you get done with that, they got something else for you. I learned this. Sometimes you gotta pay. Hey, Meach, sometimes you gotta pay the full fee. All right, I gotta go, man. I'm on break. All right, man. Appreciate you. Sometimes you gotta pay the full. That's the whole problem. We want full free.

And we want to break. Hey, man, no. If there's a certain quality that you want, you pay for that quality. Stop thinking that you sit up here when I was so embarrassed this brother was asking me. He said, oh, man, how much you pay for those shoes? And I was embarrassed because I didn't want to tell him how much I paid for the shoes. Because when he found out how much I paid for the shoes, somebody can go, oh, man.

You could choose cheaper than that. Yeah, I could but it ain't the same quality. I'm paying for the quality man. It ain't the same quality. It ain't the same feel. It ain't the same material. So like with dress shoes, it's certain dress shoes that you can give for three, four hundred dollars. Yeah. That if you try to get that same shoe that looks like that but not that exact brand at a cheaper price, it feels different when you wear it.

the the whole the shoe it's yeah the whole quality man yeah you know when people sit up and talk about I got a pair of boots right now these boots look like they're getting better as they get older yeah right but what I pay for and I'm gonna tell y'all man I hate to you know be that dude but you know if you paying $400 for shoes

That's really kind of midpoint for good shoes. Yeah, because so you dropping the you dropping the grand. Yeah, you got I'm talking about real good shoes. Yeah, you can sit up here. Yeah, I had these do. Yeah, man. You could do Stacey Adams. It's back in the day. Not today. When you look at that Christian Louboutin, when you dropping 1214 hundred bucks, that shoe is so well constructed and it last and it lasts and it's heavy. And I'm gonna tell you if you you go to Alan Edmond.

Where they will customize your shoes, because here's the thing people don't know about leather and shoes. Most leathers, they mix it, right? It might not be from the same cow. High quality shoe, it's the same leather on both pair of shoes. Look on the inside of the shoe, what is your insole? Is it blind? All those things, now get, I'm not telling you to go out and drop $500, $600 for a pair of shoes. All I'm saying is,

You get what you pay for. Period, man. I mean, I look at price point, I go, now can I get it on sale? That's the beast. But then try to wait on it because there are other people out there who understand quality. You know, it's like you can buy a suit. Oh yeah, man, I get the suit for $119. You're going to be buying a new one in three weeks. Yeah, because soon as that thread get caught on something.

and then start pulling apart. Your whole suit is done. This dude set me up. He brought out three suits. He brought the most expensive suit. He bought the cheapest suit and then he had the middle suit. What suit do you think I tried on first, Clark? The cheapest? The high one. High end. Because now...

When I put on the low end, you go no and see the difference. Right. I'm telling you, man. And it was just like, OK, let me go, man. I don't go almost to your second break. You're listening to Community Voice. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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But you got it in today, right? We're doing that but we doing that Yeah, but that that right there tonight. This is the problem around here. You told me read it. Yeah production meeting production meeting. Well, if you look at what's on top of that, it says starts put the date on the top of it. Yeah, don't that say 24? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's the problem and this why I didn't read it since it starts and keeps show

So I don't know who Keith is, right? So Keith's show, it starts, but on Keith's program, it starts today. Oh, welcome to the program. So what's wrong there? Program or show? Who Keith is? I don't know who Keith is, but. Oh, he got his spell, K-E-E-F-E. Yes. K-E-E. Yes. Amen. That's who he's ever going. That's who he's going to be. So maybe he doesn't know that your name is Keith. I know it's Keith. It's K-E-I. Oh, you wrote that? I wrote that. Oh, I thought it was Doug. No, that's K-E-E, because he's from the hood now when dealing with me. So I took the.

Call a welcome to the program. Good morning. Good morning. What we need to understand, you cannot get good and cheap in the same categories. But some people who want to deal, their money is not even worth taking because it comes with too many complications because they will be trying to get a $3,000, a $3,000 job done for $75.

Versus doing it correctly and right from the beginning that I understand when Mexicans come They get it done and it's done right then and there it is too many times too many times with our own people that we have Paid and you call them back and they don't give you every excuse Not to show up. I wouldn't remember that part. I didn't fix that part, you know, so

So we have to clean that up. And I can also remember when I went out my ways to try to get people who look like me, they had to come up and say, well, I got to do this. I got to do that. Or you might not want to pay. And you say, well, how much is you charging? OK, well, I just want you to come do it. You set an appointment. They don't show up. You call them back. They don't answer the phone.

But then when you call somebody, they will travel a whole hour from a rural town, and it's their 22-year-old son and their 13-year-old neighbor. They come, knock it down, take it with you to give them a $100 and $50 tip, and it's done. So we cannot get mad when it comes to getting work done and people want to come do it correctly.

It goes to our integrity issue. And that's why people are getting mad at people who are in Detroit. We understand these people who live up north. They work in the trades. They handed down to their kids. Why would a Mexican would not want to hand down what they know till they kill you? It's no different than some of these black people who hang down religion till they can't. So what's the problem? If you look at cops, firemen, right?

A lot of it used to be that a lot of these folks had people that was already in the fire department already in law enforcement So they just passed it down. They knew how to prep you for the test, but I agree with you and look man. I hate I know people hate this they believe it quality cost

And I'm just I'm just saying I know you don't want to but it cost and and you can go back and forth and he gonna do this for this but if he's doing it at this price, it's like Do you go to call Keith to come over to clean the junk out your house? Or do you call one? I got junk Because I got junk ain't gonna dump your stuff at all these lot this person trying to make money

They don't want so I mean and we've been having this discussion about supporting black business and I understand black businesses have their challenges But there are people every day talk about black businesses that give you a quality product You in a you competing in a marketplace man. This ain't this ain't this ain't Tulsa where we were forced to basically buy from each other And that ain't the case now and representation and delivery of everything. Yes, and this is one thing though

our people gotta stop doing. If I gotta pay you that, I'll go to the white man, well take your black aid to the white man and pay him. That's what you should do then. And then if the black man comes, he's licensed, he know the code, he can do it right, don't pay the man his money. But if you say, if I gotta pay you that,

I'll go to the white man or take a second mortgage out on your house. Go pay that white man. And did you tell that white man, you're not going to pay him and see how many rings he slapped on your house. And you sign the lane when you do the contract. So that's all I'm going to say to my black people and y'all didn't need to talk to your kids who work at your family businesses.

If your mother or grandmama got her eyebrows going to the top of her head and she always got an attitude, she should not be answering the phone. It's hello, how you doing? Not what's that? What's that? I told Clark about a restaurant that I have a good day. I have never frequented again because I didn't like the dude's mama. Yeah. Killing business. Is that all you want? Killing business. What else? You know, I'm sorry.

This is the job you got. I'm sorry. You know, I used to say this to staff Customers don't care that you having a bad day Right. I mean they're here trying to there's a service that we need to provide and I used to say it all the time because you know I had to train managers and supervisors There's some people on the counter that need to be on fries Yeah, there's no way that that person should be dealing with the public because even we interview people. Oh, why do you want this job?

Oh, because I love people. Don't lie to me. That quickly changes. That's a red flag right there. Yes, sir. Clara, you were saying something? Oh, yeah. Oh, listen. Just like going into a restaurant and you walk up to the counter or the stuff and you see a person with an attitude, you'd be like, oh, man, she got an attitude. And won't even say.

Good morning. Good afternoon. How are you doing? And she is sitting there waiting until you say something instead of saying good afternoon. How are you doing? May I help you with your order? She look at you and you wait on her to say something. Just give me this. Give me that. Give me this. You know, and then she got to add two. She give your mom get your money and turn around. Give your cup and don't say nothing. Yeah. And I think that I think is that

Maybe sometimes we're more tolerant of that. But Keith, do we find that more in African-American youth? Because I swear I can go anywhere else in town. And if there's a Caucasian back there, hey, welcome to McDonald's. How can I help you? How's your morning going? How's it going? I'm telling you, and this is this whole thing about free expression and understanding.

that your child will be out competing. I'm dealing with something really personal right now where people feel like you're not entitled to a job, man, when you grown. You are competing for a job. And that's the whole piece of it out there, then, well, it just ain't gonna work. You don't work. And I've never seen it. You don't eat. That's right. I've never seen the level of...

just total disrespect. Man, they cussing behind the counter. Ain't nobody in the restaurant but them. I ain't never seen that coming up. That was unheard of, man. You asked for the manager. At first, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. Now you asked for the manager. I am the manager. It's hurt a lot of people's business because if you don't see your bottom line in the success of that business, right?

where, okay, I'm just doing this because I, you know, I just got to do this. This is something internal. Now look, let me full disclosure. I don't go looking for work. I ain't that dude, okay? But when it's time to work, I work. You know, I tell the people around here all the time. The NLV have to look now, if I'm not here to serve time, people call it. Oh yeah. But I'm on time. But I tell Carolyn, I tell Robin, Douglas,

Byron any of them don't you feel bad when pay they rolls around they go what why would you say that? Because you know you ain't did nothing No work y'all to feel bad

The views and opinions expressed on this program is not of that of the staff of management. I wear her out every day. Okay, here we go because he gonna need security to get from behind. No man, I just, I had a situation where I was on, I can monitor, I had the call center. So I can monitor the phones, right? I know who's active, who's the whole thing.

One day I look down because look at eight o'clock It's not the phones are coming up the phones are up. We're accepting phone calls at eight o'clock not 801 not 802 I Look and and then I'm really upset because I'm on hold at MATC for 20 minutes So I'm sitting up here looking and the more I'm looking the angrier I'm getting I walk downstairs Right because the supervisors obviously have no worth. I walk downstairs

This woman is doing her income tax. Ah, okay. I'm not saying people do stuff on the job. You think she put it up? Who was you? What you gonna do? Now, here's the flip on this. A lot of the people who worked in our system was in the system. Wow.

At some point or another at some point or another right that my early experience was that that's where people work So when you tripping on your worker not returning the call your worker being rude and then you turn around and Exhibit the same behavior you become what you would you guys right? You know, I mean that that that thing is and so I had this little mantra treat everybody like big mama because when big mama came down

for her her MA review. She wasn't waiting in the waiting room for two hours. You done brought her in. You got her sitting over here waiting in the cubicle. You know, you got her to coffee tree. Every, you know, so that was my mantra tree. Everybody liked Big Mama. Now, in my mind, I don't know why that's a struggle for people, but obviously it is a struggle for certain people. I say this, look, I got all kinds of repass stories, right?

So repasses is not just the people being served. Sometimes it's the servers Help me black Jesus. All right, you listen to community voice callers. I see you Don't have me get up

Welcome back to community voice phone lines open for one four four four four five two five zero four one four four four four five two five zero Well, I have a guest who had to reschedule so we're kind of open throwback Thursday Let me This governor's race is getting very very it went from

just flying under the radar to now we're on national news in terms of the state of Wisconsin and what's going to happen. I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime where there are some concerns and I think even with the polling, the Marquette polling that came out shows that Francesca Hahn still has a lead.

Nelson Nelson Mandela Mandela Barnes is second and Then I'm thinking I don't know who and again the Marquette poll did not include David Crowley because David Crowley had dropped out the week before two weeks before they did the polling There was also another poll that was done and I don't know if it was still the Marquette poll where Right now based on where they have

They showed that Francesca Hahn, who's still in it, Francesca Hahn, they didn't say David Crowley, he's not part of it, but the three Dems who were in that would lose to...

Tom Tiffany and the only one that showed that they had the possibility of winning was Nelson Nelson was Mandela Barnes. I don't want to call him Nelson Mandela, Mandela Barnes. This is, this is a. Wow. I hate to use the word complicated, but this is really complicated because.

Mandela Barnes is trailing Francesca Hahn on the Democratic side in terms of the primary right now. We don't know what the impact of David Crowley getting back in the race is going to be because they hadn't been done any polling. I'm sure that there is some polling done by the Democratic Party, by the different campaigns that will kind of give you a sense of things.

Even though you have a person who is leading right now in terms of the poll and here's the other little little thing there and we need to put this asterisk out there 45% of people still have made up their minds on the Democratic side in terms of who they're gonna vote for and I think that that's who people are going going after But I mean if it becomes and we're only what we're about two weeks out three weeks out

Early voting starts next Tuesday. And so, ooh, and there's that word that you heard, electability. You know, for the Dems, what is their bottom line? Is the bottom line, people getting out and making sure that they hear about the issues, or is the bottom line beating the presumed Republican nominee for governor, which would be Tom Tiffany?

Again, this this was we were flying under the radar and Now all these things are coming out and people are going to have to make a decision and no matter who the nominee is on the Democratic side and I would say on the Republican side too is Turnout will then be key in November because if you get a good turnout

That bodes well for the Democrats. Low turnout, that bodes well for the Republicans. Carla, welcome to the program. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. You know, we look at this race and we look at the outcome of a lot of the people who out there trying to get in Hong and burns and we look at quality and we know quality can do the job.

You know, I know. I've seen him. I've seen his work. He has receipts. He did drop out, but he's back there and he's making sense of things. And we don't get Tiffany. We let Tiffany get in there. That's, we bother to say Trump is running, running. So our options, we got a cool option there with Tiffany. But the thing here is that with our people, Mandela Barnes is over there.

Whitefish Bay. Them folks have passed him the money. The white folks have passed him the money. And I honestly personally feel that he's in at the keep through. Numbers down from crowd. Let me ask this question. So if Crowley doesn't win, do you still support whomever the eventual? I'm going to have to support whomever in the Democratic Party because I know what am I going to do?

put my hand in the hole. No. Well, and I think that that's where, again, how people talk about it, where I understand and look, you know, you're trying to beat your opponent, but you don't want to get to the point where it's so damaged, the relationships are so damaged among those people who are still in the race that they will just, as they say, just leave you alone to death and they do nothing.

So I mean, that's what all this is really turned into and look these are human beings with their feelings with their egos You put your life on the line when you decide to go and put your hat in the political ring You know number one and and and that and that's that's kind of rough with the thing here is that This young man Crowley has a clean slate he claimed background

playing young man hard working. And it ain't just because he's a black man, but he knows the job. And I also think that you have someone like Francesca Hall, who is from the Dane County area.

And they're going to, you know, so I mean, there are dynamics out there that I think if this would have just been kind of normal, and then on the back, on the flip side of this, the fear, and they're doing polling right now. If that polling shows that Francesca Hahn could lose, and I don't know if people say take polling with a grain of salt. I got that. Polling is a two-edged sword. But if it's showing that she could not win,

against Tiffany, should that be a factor in how people then vote in the primary? If they know she can't, she's not going to win against Tiffany. They need to go after Crowley. But what if Crowley, what if the polling comes up and says Crowley can't beat it? You know what I'm going to say like this here, here we got Burns, but I'm going to tell you, Tiffany is scared of Crowley. All of them scared of Crowley. They're afraid of that young man and what he can do because they know he know the job.

And what are you what are you basing that on? I'm based I'm basing that on because look okay being the kind of executive the work that he's doing right now you got what I'm saying what do you know that they're fearful of him based on the polling okay the polling but that's the thing is when he came back in the race they said look what their Democrats done they had to get you know they stand up their mouths that you know and you look at what they say and that tell you

Okay, they don't like this cat. They know this cat got some on them. They don't like what cat? They don't like Crawley, Crawley. Okay, they don't like it because he know to work. He can do the job and he's a friend. You say they who's the they? Tiffany and home. But you got to remember and

this is the thing this is the primary and the primary is different than the general because the primary you have you have multiple candidates

The question will be, will the Democrats do so much damage in this primary that whomever the nominee is, they're going to be weakened to the point that Tom Tiffany will have an advantage that he should not have. And here's why I'm saying he should not have an advantage because he's so supportive of Donald Trump and Donald Trump is really unpopular. Very unpopular. So if you're able to go in and the piece was because again, the Republicans do their polling.

They knew the Francesca Hahn was the front runner. So the first attack ads I saw by the Pax weren't directed at Mandela Barnes, weren't directed at David Crowley, or Kinda Royce. It was directed at Francesca Hahn because she was the front runner. And I'm saying right now, Napoleon says she still is the front runner.

And we don't know what the Crowley, what the Crowley impact is going to be until there's some polling that comes out and says that he has traction. We don't know at this point. Well, the thing is is that one. Crowley came back in the door. And the previous governor. Back Jim. That was a thousand thousand plus instead of backing the lieutenant governor.

the lady who bowed out because of her situation with her campaign manager. Now that shows a lot for Crowley out the gate and they did the polling. But the conversation you're having with me is why you think people should support David Crowley. I'm having a more expansive conversation about

whoever the Democratic nominee is, what is their chances of beating Tom Tiffany? And I get all of that in the primaries. And again, I don't know if that factors in. That's that word, electability. But did you know, did you know, I'm gonna say it again, did you know before they showed, did the polling, when Crowley came back in, the polling had already been done. That one, he was, from when he was out.

So it really doesn't show his numbers at all. Right. And that's what I'm saying with that. And so until next week, if Marquette or whomever is going to do some polling, but I'm saying that the Dems had their internal polling. And they know that Francesca Hong would be a problem because they're going to label her as a democratic socialist. That is a negative piece.

in a purple state that's that's what republicans are banking on so i think the question should be yes we we should go out you vote who you think you think should be but i think in the back of people's mind and i know this is a hard one the question be should be in your mind can this person be tom tiffany if you're a democrat if you're if you're tom tiffany you want you want francesca's horn

If you're because he will be able to call her a democratic socialist and she wants men and women's sports and for a segment of the population out there, that's going to resonate. And I'm going to show you that and look, you know, if let's say David Crowley loses, you know, they're going to be some black folks who are going to say, I ain't going to go vote. You're right about that. So I think that when we have a conversation, look, man.

You know, I got our feelings. Feelings go into it. Perception goes into it. But then I think we need to be clear. And I'm not saying I am totally clear on what the reality might be. All right, man. Appreciate you. I got to take a break. Yes, sir. All right. Appreciate you. Caller, I see you. I'm going to take a quick break. You're listening to Community Voice. We'll be right back.

Good morning. You know, I had to call you back because normally I couldn't shoot. I normally take me a little nap in the truck sitting here. I couldn't see back what you said. What'd I say? You said

Ruffles at $15 an hour to $15 an hour. Okay. No, I said 12 and 14. Okay, so we'll say 14. Okay. So did you look it up? So hold on. $14 an hour. If you go up there for eight hours, that brings you to what? 140 dollars. I mean, not even 140 dollars. That brings you, you said $14 an hour at eight hours up there on that roof. That brings you what? If you call back, you should have did the math on it.

Well, I was going round numbers. I was going round numbers like working on your on your on you you on your point No, no, no, we're working on your point, but okay, so So we're gonna make wait a minute make All right, so we go do top $14 an hour, right? Yeah, yeah, right? Yeah, yeah

So that's less than the 300 you was talking about. Hold on, brother. Hold on, brother. So that's an eight hours. Now, remember, we only take these people. Most people only take two days to do a whole carol and get back up there. OK, so so you telling me somebody going and just so you got 10 people up there.

So just say you got 10 people at $112 a pop. That's $1,200. Ain't nobody doing the roof for that. Not even a Mexican. Maybe a Mexican don't clean. No, no, you say $1,200. That's your labor, but it ain't going to be $1,200. It's going to be $1,200. We're not talking about material now. No, we're talking about the whole job. Labor is part of the job. The whole job is part of the job.

You were talking about what the average rate is for a roofer. Maybe a Mexican dope fiend, a nigga dope fiend, I'm going to get up there for that.

call a welcome to the program. How are you doing? Good morning. How are you doing? Can you hear me okay? Can you hear me okay? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We can hear you fine. Hold on. Okay. Okay, I want to ask you a question. The question is, I know I'm in another state, but we have somebody running for governor too.

What happens is the people are running are so bad in your opinion. I'm not in your opinion. You just don't vote for him period. Then we had a democratic closest running for Senator. She didn't win or anything. But what happens if it comes to the point where the people are just so bad that you just say vote anyway? Well, I think it's something big. Hold on. I've been corrected. Okay.

Let me do this. The average hourly wage paid to a roofer is $24 an hour nationally, while contractors typically charge homeowner $78 per hour on average for residential labor and overhead. In the Milwaukee area, roofers average about $30.56. Are you okay? Yeah. No, no, I was just responding to something else. Hold on, let me. Okay.

Okay, uh, national employee wage is 17 to 36 hours per hour, depending on skill. So about $24 an hour. All right, my bad. Call it. All right, go on. Um, you know, it's the evil two lessers. I think you, you make the decision based on who's closest to your self-interest. Okay. But some of those guys running like some of those people, I just couldn't vote for any of them and vote for any of them. I said that was a shame.

Then they had a Democratic Socialist in my state. She was running for Senator. First thing she, one thing I'm noticing is that they run as Democrats. Then, I mean, they run as Democratic Socialists and they switched to being Democrats. We have the same problem here, too. When somebody ran as a Democrat, he was a Senator, and then he always said he gets him there. He said, well, the thing,

I mean, he's he's elected. He's running a being a Democrat. I was a Democrat thing a worker of me. I'm gonna all the time. I was Republican all the way. Then he switched his party. And then we had another person who the person now he's a Democrat. Now he says, by the way, I'm a libertarian. And I know what they're doing because they know they would not get elected being a libertarian or even a

democratic socialists. Maybe it's someplace like Vermont, they would, but I'm not even sure. But like I said, is so democratic socialists, what what are you reacting to? I'm reacting to the platform. That's when they said their platform. So what do you disagree with in their platform? Oh, their platform. Well, I was looking at I'll mention two things.

And they said they were saying that they were saying that they don't want people running out their home because that's considered exploitation. So you see, you can't, you would not be able to run out your home, okay? Cause that's hitter exploitation. And also if you have, if you're running a restaurant, just say you're running a restaurant. And if you're, if you're a sole prioritor,

That's fine, but if you have four or five people working for you, you have to split the profits with all those four employees. So that was the two big ones right here. And then their whole thing was, they would say, that's not true, but I looked at their platform and they're not really too gung-ho, but

I think they want to abolish, I know they want to abolish ICE, but I've been told that they abolish ICE. The ICE was over to the FBI and some other government agents because you had to have border protection. Wasn't ICE created after 9-11? Yes, I'm just saying, I'm just saying what they're talking about. I'm just saying that they got their wish and it was ICE who was abolished.

it would just go over to a different department because you had to have customs when you're bringing in the goods and you had to have somebody doing the borders too. I know some people are not even sure they didn't believe in nations, no borders. There was a guy, he was like that too, he didn't believe in, well I said we had borders or nations and there's a reason why we have borders and nations.

Because we may be all the same with two ears, two eyes, and every two feet. But as far as culture, I mean, we are not culture. I mean, half the people, half the women who are working with you, they would not be working period. They would be staying home and breastfeeding babies or something. Or they would be somebody's husband. And your wife, I'm being respectful.

I mean, she would not be doing what she's doing. Oh, no, not my wife. No, I mean, if she was in a Islamic state, she would be she would not be under saying that. But I'm all I understand that. First of all, I think that the whole immigration issue.

Is not where people they've been trying to do a comprehensive immigration bill going back to the 80s I think the last one we had was on a Ronald Reagan, but a lot of it is one Our economy depends on undocumented immigrants working jobs that Americans are not working

I mean, it's not worth for the prices that people want them to work for. Yeah, but it's awesome. Everything goes up. If you pay, if you pay what you would have to pay an American citizen, we talk about minimum wage. I don't know. I mean, I can look it up.

But if you're looking at what people get paid in fields, they're not getting paid $52 an hour to work out in that field. The profit margin that the farmers wouldn't make any money. So you exploit. So a lot of the people in this country are here working and they're not taking jobs that Americans would work. They're taking jobs that Americans don't work. I will tell you they will work, but they're not. Everything has a switch to mechanization as far as

These have cotton, these have people picking cotton, and then they got machines to do it. Combines. And that's why a lot of blank people want them, though, right? And then they have a machine that does apples and peaches and everything else like grapes and everything else like that. But I'm saying everything's going towards mechanization, but I'm saying, there was an example here. They had a union station here.

And through story, they had some brothers who went down there trying to get a job. And everybody working there was Hispanic. And how it uncased. And when they went back there and then they complained and they said, well, we're all filled up. So they went back there and they spoke to the person who later became the city. He became mayor.

They passed a, what is it called, e-verify system. And once they did that e-verify system, another number of black people came that started, were able to work, went up dramatically. In fact, some of them were even compurchasing agents. And some of them were even coming, becoming managers of that project. That project was a five and a...

million-dollar project and I'm just saying that and they were doing Carverty skills they were doing management skills before they didn't have any black people in there all these all with Hispanics and white guy and I'm just saying that if you're gonna have people in there you need to do you verify and I know why the both parties don't want to have to be verified because

I think if they do we verify that's going to Can I say this because just the idea of Immigrant labor there's a there's a real move in this country to not let people unionize Because you know when you have a union you're in a different position and negotiate wages and benefits Then you are if you just say and here's what the company offer you take it or leave it

So that you have people like, this is why I have not gone into Walmart. Walmart has been their union busting and anti-union. So I have not gone into Walmart because the idea is that American citizens benefit from unions. And so there's a reason why. There's a reason why Scott Walker did Act 10. I think that was Act 10, where he goes and decertifies the unions.

because employees don't have the same level of protection and advocacy when you and they're trying to do it by yourself as opposed to, hey, look, if the wages are not fair, we're all walking. So I think that that is more complicated. I think that we can look at it. But if you look at the number of people in this country who are working, right, they're being productive. They're not eligible for benefits, right? So they're not off other than emergency medical assistance.

I mean, in some way in some of these people paying taxes and they can't even benefit from the taxes that they pay from in terms of being having access to programs. So let me do this, man. Got another caller. I got a running. Yeah, I'm just going to know about that. What last question? What would you recommend the part? Two people are running and they're so bad. You wouldn't vote or or either one or you would have to be better than the other one. I mean, both of them are bad.

Yeah, both of them are bad. Well, I think I don't know. I mean, not to vote, though, is a vote for somebody that you probably really wouldn't want to get in. There's a lot of people who decided not to vote when Donald Trump was on the ballot. And guess what? He got in. Remember, I talked about at the beginning of this, turnout in Wisconsin is going to be real important, right? You have a strong turnout that usually bodes well for Democrats. If people get so frustrated with I don't like any of them and stay at home, that's a vote for Republicans.

Appreciate you man. I'll get this last caller. Caller, welcome to the program. Hey, what's up, James? What's happening? It's, uh, it's, uh, uh, but, uh, Mondonic can win in New York. Why can't Francesca win here? Because New York is a blue state and Wisconsin is a purple state. And what that means is in New York is overwhelmingly democratic, right?

And so then there are people there and look my daddy won and he didn't really have any black support Right, so I'm just saying New York is different where so when you saw those congressmen You you not gonna have democratic socialists doing well in Georgia. They're not gonna do well in Texas Right, and it's gonna be tough here in Wisconsin because Wisconsin is a purple state and what that means is it's 50-50 it can go either way and So because a lot of voters are low information voters

They're going to hear the jingle. They're going to hear the whole thing. You know, right now you're hearing Trump out talking about the democratic socialists are communists. Well, for a certain generation that still resonates because commies are bad, right? The pinkos, the commies, you know, so I think that messaging and that's what politics really is. It really is messaging. And how does your message resonate with the potential voter? I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, do you think that they say that Mandela can beat Tiffany? If he wins, do you think he coming after Michelle and Jeff Taylor? I don't think so. Are you sure? He hates them. I can't be sure. I don't even know. He hates both of them. I think no. Well, OK. He hates both of them. I think I don't know if it's to that point. I think he has a bigger prize in mind.

And so, you know, who knows what president? No, I'm trying to win governor. I'm saying he's he could be Tiffany and he may be governor. Do you think once he got all that power is he going to come after Michelle and just Taylor? No, no. OK, I think he is. OK, so I'm not voting for him. I'm voting for French Francesca Hong. All right, come on. What if he wins the nomination? Would you vote for him then? No, I'm staying home. You know that's a vote for Tom Tiffany, right?

Well, you know, I don't think Mandela can be Tiffany anyway, but whoever market is Poland, it ain't us. Okay. Well, us is only like, what are we, 6% of the population? Without us, you can't be governor. He's gonna need more than us to be governor, whoever it is. She's gonna need more than us. Oh, he got all the white people up north, but he will not have us. Who's he?

That boy who hate Michelle and no, yeah, no, I think I think he's a Democrat That's what they look at first and again. This is a purple state. It's even let me get this a last call appreciate you. All right, all right Call it welcome to the program. I'm so happy I got in today I Want to talk to dr. Ride out Yes, sir. Yes, sir open both ears

and listen to how Dr. Parrish handled that person before you. He's beating the dev with perks. That's the only way to beat somebody over there. Who with points? Who with points? I'm going to whoop you up with these points. He was talking about who's hiding this cheap label. It ain't the Pope, folks. It ain't Black folks.

So there's complicit and all that stuff and then they come out with these acronyms Communist socialists and capitalists all these people don't even understand what they are none of us are pure And y'all have a good before you go brother you from you came from the south to the north Remember from Atlanta, Georgia had plenty of road miles All over me Atlanta in the south, right?

What would they say about black people that were coming up from Georgia and Mississippi? They were coming up to do what? Take the jobs. Take your jobs, right?

And to the Boston area, that's why there's so much, and typically between Irish and the blacks, because they would tell, and this goes back to the 1800s, the blacks are coming to take your job, is divide and conquer, because what people are trying to do, they've always exploited labor. I said this, slavery was probably as near to a good business model as one could get, because they put very little into their overhead was low.

Because they just exploited human labor, right? It wasn't like the the the slaves were getting the living wage. They wasn't Let me make one point. I Tell everybody I know The Republicans or who are the matters of whoever they are to also reach the oligarchs. Mm-hmm. They're trying to enslave everybody. Yes, they act like it's just black but it's exactly everybody all of the clothes

You can't get a job, you can't get a house, you can't get anything except you go through them and they approve. And why would Walmart not want you to have a union? And Walmart started out for us. Remember? Yeah, but you have a union. It's a different piece and look.

I can go either way with unions because sometimes the unions was the thorn in my side, but I do understand the labor union movement and the benefits that labor unions had for the uplift of the American worker. I have a simple solution to all of this. Yes, sir. If they made people pay taxes accordingly, we wouldn't have a problem and y'all have a good one.

Appreciate you and again, let me apologize for low ball and what roofers get but Okay, 34 bucks an hour I might get up on the roof. I know I didn't pay you that though. I wasn't making that working with I don't say the person But he's married to all right job

I really appreciate you all, good program today. Thank you, Clark. Thank you. Thank you, right out. Yeah, man, dude, I thought you was my guy. You ain't gonna hook me up with a thing. Me and Clark gonna be out there. Actually, man, I got VIP services for you guys, man. I'm gonna bring y'all in through the ceiling. So, you know, we gonna open up the ceiling and drop y'all. Just lower y'all down and right in the middle of the dance floor. Oh, it's gonna be a tie.

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Good morning.

Welcome to Community Voice.

I'm your host Keith Ferris.

I want to thank everybody for joining us this morning.

Good morning, Clark.

How are you this morning?

Thank you.

And Apostle, how are you this

morning?

I'm doing very, very fairly well there, brother.

Fairly well, fairly well.

We

do our own Negro spiritual this morning.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Good morning.

All right.

Good morning Milwaukee.

Uh, man.

OK, I had to make a little bit of an adjustment.

Again, thank you, Michelle.

We have really worked on making sure that Kennedy is culturally competent.

You know, one of the first books she got was the Anti-Racist Baby, and we moved on from there.

So again, good morning.

Let's see what I look like here.

I don't like this angle, man.

We got a better angle.

No, okay.

Do I need to move in the middle?

Can I quiet

today?

No, man.

I just

just this angle this

I know it's one of the morning for me man.

God told me she and I got my my bathroom two hours for the pipes.

Oh They was so old.

They was there when the house was built.

Yeah, but the guy left my

I only want to talk about I'm gonna get my ass started cussing on radio so I'm gonna leave it on here.

I gotta be your lives right here.

Three words.

Next to

Ken.

My buddy, he was talking, we was talking about a roof and how when we got our roof replaced and actually we used because a guy on our block

He does a lot of that so we went through it got a great deal The guys that worked on it though were from Lake Lake Geneva My buddy asked me he said so were they Mexicans?

No No, they were not And so then you know then we get in this whole discussion and have to always be careful how we talk about black people because

Nah, sister.

Gotta be careful how we talk about black folks cuz And I tell people I don't want to be stereotypical.

I don't want to be pejorative but When you see Roofs getting done and who's doing those roofs

and

how long it takes them to

do the roof

You figure it out

Because, man, these dudes, and I thought roofers got paid a lot of money.

They don't.

They get like between $12, $14 an hour.

And they're out, ooh, man, in all kind of weather.

Because when we got our roof done, it was Thanksgiving week.

It snowed on that Monday, that Sunday, that Monday, they waited.

The Monday afternoon, they was there.

They cleared it out.

They had to come in and do some little stuff after the day after Thanksgiving.

But they got it done now I have seen some brothers And I'm

going

They showed up with 900 people of all ages Everybody everybody had a job and everybody did a job.

Yep

lunch hour was Because you got a minute to pull you I mean a half a minute to pull your food out Eat half a minute to put your little lunchbox

away

and when I tell you they work

from that, if that job said they started at eight o'clock, they work from eight to five, no nonsense.

Them folks, and it was up there without even a little safety strap song.

I said, y'all have a little thing, can't you fall off the roof?

That man's roof was done just like that.

It ain't matter of days.

On the other hand, some of y'all cousins did the roof on the house we in right now.

They wanted you to buy a material

They was doing our room on the 1st of July.

They was barbecuing in front of our house.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

He was barbecuing.

Yeah, they were doing the roof, doing the holiday season, while before they came on the 4th of July, they were barbecue in front of the house.

They had a little grill.

We put up like, I would not lie on this.

I'm not lying.

Wait, so they used your property.

No, they put the barbecue grill in front of the sidewalk.

It's still your property.

No, it's not.

It's the sidewalk.

It's

the same as the

city.

There was

another property.

They just had

their lunch cooking while they was working.

That's it.

Don't try to make this bad.

You can't spend it no other way.

And again, we're trying not to be stereotypical.

Door pejorative.

But what have I said though?

All of the work that had to be done in that house to move back in that house.

Painting, carpet, take up removal.

Um, just just all kinds of stuff couldn't hire.

Nobody black

Guess what color they

are?

Yeah The Asian people put down the floor It was two They put down living room family room dining room floor floors

And just two of them showed up.

See, they ain't showed up like the Mexicans.

They showed up just two.

And you was like, well, this is going to take all day in a couple of days.

And one of them was like 75.

It was the man who looked like he was in his late 30s, early 40s, and his daddy.

Them two men put all three of them floors in in one day.

Yeah.

And let

me shout this out.

A 29 minute lunch break too.

and was right back at it.

This is why I don't

want to be, because there are.

Because we play too much.

Because

the guy that

I used, Jesse, there, get it done, get it done, right?

Yeah.

Now, I'm just saying, did my boy go go, ah, so you got a problem with black people?

I said the first thing you asked me was, did Mexicans do it?

I'm just saying so you know what man now some of this is just on us But I'm gonna do a whole thing on it and I use this quote You run faster when you're hungry Yeah, you run faster when you're hungry when people out there trying to make this is how they eat

But you know what but the other thing too, you know it cuz I'm just not about running fast.

I'm also about quality You know if you got pride in yourself for your work

then you show up in a way that represents that.

And it's just, but that's why I say all these people railing against these Mexicans doing it, and this work that they're doing, everybody I know got Mexicans doing their work.

Everybody I know.

Because it's fast, it's clean.

I mean, they came in and did that man stuff across the street, and you couldn't tell when they left that anybody had been there.

There was no debris left.

At the end of the day, five o'clock shift, it was clean around that house.

It was no excess laying around for tomorrow.

I mean, it was impressive.

Yeah, it was impressive.

And then I had, we had true removal.

And it's a Mexican dude lived out of the street from us.

He was like, hey, hey, and I love this guy.

I don't even know.

I just learned his name, like in the last two months, but he will see me.

plowing our driveway.

And he would come through with his truck plow.

And like where the city beat a replowed you back in, dude would come through there here, clear that whole front of that driveway and just wave his hand and keep going.

I stopped and I was like, let me give you some man.

He was like, nah, you good?

I didn't even know he was a neighbor.

I just thought he was working the area.

But he lived at the end of the

block.

You know what?

I do that for my neighbors on my block, for my snowblower.

I go down the whole block.

That's

what I used to do when I was on Sherman.

That's what I used to do.

All you got to do is shovel your sidewall.

I got this.

And a lot of them didn't have snowblowers.

And so you just would do it.

But he looked in our yard after that storm took that tree

out.

Oh.

And that tree, you know, we had Hassan Mike come out there.

They had told us like $800, $900 to take this tree out and all of this.

He came through.

He said, you guys might take care of that tree.

And we was like, yeah, we got a quote.

He said, tell me what the quote is.

He came in at less than half of the quote and he was like, uh, we'll be over here.

I left went to the bank came back.

The tree was gone.

Wow.

The bank is on brown.

I was on Calumet.

He is a Hispanic man.

Listen,

his granddaughter was out there helping.

Don't forget the drinking breaks and asking for

cigarettes.

This is honest to God.

True.

Honestly, before I started, you know, doing this here, I picked up a

little... Oh, you're so

country.

Shut up.

Yeah.

When I started doing this, I picked up a little side job with my guy.

He got a little roofing thing that he do.

I ain't gonna say the name of him, because people know who he is.

But so he does roofing.

So I picked up a little job working with him.

Honestly, God truth.

So...

I'm carrying towels up the ladder to the roof.

It's hot as a fool up there, whatever.

But this is what I notice about our people.

We'll get started.

We'll start something.

This dude said, man, let's take a smoke break and go get some meat.

But the smoke break, it wasn't a cigarette break.

It was a cousin smoke break.

So it's like.

It's like a team of like four of us.

Okay.

So we take a smoke break, go get something to eat.

Doc, when I tell you, it took us forever to do this one house because after you take the smoke break and get something

to eat, it's like,

I'm gonna see y'all tomorrow.

So, you know, all in the front part of this person's house was all of the equipment that they left.

That's what I was saying.

Just left it there.

We were like, we'll be back in the morning.

But I looked at that like, it's a shame because

It's us.

It's the work ethic.

Yeah.

It's us.

And I'm

paying real money.

Yeah.

Like, I'm paying real money for this.

It's

not a sin.

And

people

don't understand, man.

Look, it's hard work.

Yeah.

And people expect it to get done.

The difference between many of us is that we are two generations removed from our folks coming from the South, who used to hard work, used to being on time, do what you're supposed to do.

We got this whole thing like, you know, I'm going to do it.

I'm with you.

A lot of these folks ain't even capitalized enough to be able to do what you normally do, right?

You know, so, right?

Why am I going to Home Depot to pick up stuff?

That's what you're supposed to

look at.

Because,

man, they looked at the roof, said, this is what we're going to need.

They had the dumpster in the backyard.

Now, these were white folks from Lake Geneva.

Because again, when you I'm thinking like roofers get $25, $30 an hour between $12 and $14 an hour.

Now,

depending on where you are, that's enough to take care of your family.

But it's

an

issue right now with, and look, at some point, that culture is going to begin to experience what we're experiencing now because they, second generation, I ain't getting out there like my old man.

But you're right.

It's the whole family thing because we had some mace, you know some concrete

work just don't start a business if you don't want to do it for real I'm with you and that's the whole thing and then

and then don't make me feel oh man You need to you need to support black business you competing you competing with other businesses.

It is not my job

to make sure you stay in business.

It's your job to make sure you stay

in business.

And then the other thing that's frustrating for me, you make it harder for other black businesses.

Exactly.

People gonna

do what they're supposed to do.

Because people gonna judge all of us based on what you did when you showed up and make it easier for folks to be like, I'm not gonna use them.

I understand when I show up in spaces all the time, whether I want to or not,

represent other black folks.

So I show up in a way that's professional, doing what I'm supposed to do on time, in and out.

And it's just frustrating, but no.

Let

me tell you something else.

You socialize it when you should be working.

And how can you go to certain fast food joints?

You got eight people working, one person in line, and it takes forever because it's how we program people to work.

And when it's time to work,

like I say, whatever that system is, they got a chick for lay.

It needs to be institutionalized everywhere Whatever they whoever whoever designed

a

train

The guy that did the tree of my neighbor, black.

You can see all the wood sawdust on the side of my garage.

Just left it there.

Just the tree.

You couldn't tell the tree was never there.

I mean, they cleaned up everything, everything.

But can I play this before I go?

Do you buy?

So yeah, it's your program.

Down in Louisiana, you know, they're getting ready for a birthday to come through.

the the storm.

It's kind of already come through.

I don't know.

Has it come through already?

But this reporter interviewed this brother to ask him how he was going to prepare for birthday to come through.

Yeah, ready?

We're with Tropical Storm birth expected to make landfall tonight.

What are you planning to do to stay safe?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I can't.

Yeah.

Me and this little chicken right here.

We're going to

be just fine.

Stay

safe out here.

Just what color

is?

He was actually holding a

chicken under his arm while he was doing the interview y'all

But he literally said with a camera in his face.

I'm going to the dope house

Well

smoke as much crack as I can

be

and it's chicken right here

That's like, you know, we doing our live duty

And you know, we invite people in to come in and greet and remember come in.

What's happening?

Let me shout out all my niggas.

We can't

use.

Come

on.

I want to shout out all my

niggas.

That's why I love

my people.

I love African people all over the world.

Carla, welcome to the program.

Good morning.

Yes, it is.

I know some of them.

I know some of them.

But anyway, and another thing that quit on you one third way of the job, all that.

Yeah, you know what, man?

And that's the piece.

You know, my mom always look at me crazy when I tell the story.

I said, I was down in Tennessee with my cousins.

I'm 14.

Dude say, hey, man, you won't go meet some girls.

Yes.

I'm 14.

So we go, man.

He said, well, man, we're going to go work in the field.

OK.

No problem.

Man, I went out.

I don't know if you ever chop cotton.

You know what

that is?

I did.

That's clearing the weeds from around the cotton

plant so they don't choke.

I did

it.

I did it.

Dude, I worked so hard that day.

And I made up in my mind, I'm going to college.

Oh, man, I was out there one day.

One day, you know, I was built for

that.

We knew and you not built for that because I did it for a whole summer.

Dude, you a whole summer.

Wait a minute.

I don't know how much you get for the day.

$12.

Okay.

You got more than me.

I got $7.

$12 from us from six in the morning till

four, three o'clock.

What

did what Jesse Jackson say?

You work from KC in the morning to KC at night.

And here's the thing.

I'm just show you, man, just how labor is exploited.

when you pick cotton they would have the people wait right you sitting there on that on that truck and you would wait until the sun came up to dry out the cotton why because the cotton is lighter so you don't get as much money man so when people sit up here let me shout out uh my my my Chicano folks who out there picking you know fruit

If you chop cotton, it's called a hoe, right?

H-O-E.

And it's a lot.

Well, in order to clear the crops in California, they use a short hoe.

So it's half the length.

So those people are bended over clearing every day.

Every day.

Every hour.

And they finally made them put bathrooms out there so people could use the bathroom and then they could get water.

So when I hear Meach and other people calling to here talking about, they taking our jobs.

Americans don't want to work that job.

Man, you can't even

get an average black person in Milwaukee to go do chocolate.

Oh, man.

Call it.

Welcome to the program.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Hey, good morning to you, brother.

I was just listening to you guys were talking about the migrant workers.

And, you know, we've talked about how we two generations out, and you probably right.

We probably, yeah, two generations would be about right.

What's happening here is that our youth, man, we've tried to give our youth, me coming out the streets, but I still had a little, you know, vocational skill.

You know, vocational, he's the difference between vocational and higher education.

And what we did, what our people did, is sent us out for higher education and forgot about the vocational piece.

And we pushed that in our inner cities all around the country.

That's why your wood shops and your metal shops and your auto mechanics and your home economics, all that was removed out of most inner city schools.

Now, the suburban schools, they still carry it in some places.

And so you got your armed workers, you got kids coming out with that kind of motor skills to do that, you know, to actually do that, man.

They're motivated, you know.

So us trying to reach back now and grab on through our vocational trade is kind of hard to do and it almost seems impossible because the people that removed that already had seen a cheaper workforce from somewhere else

They already seen this.

See, we look at right now.

Well,

that's not one of the reasons.

One of the things was that it was called tracky, where you were moving like particularly black males into skills that was more menial labor than you going doing like, you know, the academic stuff.

And that's one of the reasons why.

And then as you said, there was a change because I interview a lot of people who are graduates of tech.

and back in the 60s and going into the 70s, people saw the trades as a way out, right?

And so, and trades still are.

I mean, you get

like high center,

but

I'm

saying right, but it's not, and I can't even make the argument that for people like, oh, the reason why I don't know this is because I was pursuing academics.

That's not true.

Not for black males.

Hold on brother.

Hold on brother

for black.

No

other than sent off to college ain't gonna know nothing about getting up on the roof or or even cutting the angle But there's some

dudes though, let me say this there's some dudes who that was their summer job when they came home from college They were up if the old man had a job

So what I'm saying is of

course, I didn't go to college to be a roofer

I'm just saying that you have people out there at

this point where they don't have a college degree

They don't have college education.

Some people have not finished high school.

All right.

So what kind of work are you going to get because your

educational background?

That's what puts them in a vocational class.

That's why we went to Jewish vocational job service when we was kids.

We went to CYD on Titanium Center, you know,

those were vocations setting up the Urban League when they was on Tencent Center.

They sent us out to places like that man.

You see what's happening is all of that's been removed so we got a bunch of young people right now running around rapping.

Some of them we can grab on to and we can learn them how to how to do certain things okay but the majority man is so

You know, and I'm not I'm not giving me you don't know where you get no roof done at $10 an hour man $14 now because most of your roof was even the Mexican roof was they won't like $300 a day.

You understand that's a per man So I don't know where you what would happen

if you go in and you

go go what the average with the average

With the average weight is between 12 to

$14 an hour

Brother maybe picking it up putting it in a dumpster as a as a manual laborer But actually getting up on that with man if you actually if you actually call it a real contractor They don't beat it in already.

I bet you they had about a hundred seventy five dollars a man the Mexicans won three hundred dollars a day man Well, I

don't know if like I said Mexicans working hard in a mud they ain't cheap brother I'm telling you it depends on who you getting your work done

through

Right.

And because your bid is going to be based on the cost of labor to them.

And I'm telling you that certain people go in, but just just Google it.

What is the average?

This is how it works.

But look at it, man.

But hold on.

Beach, Beach, look it up, man.

Look it up.

I don't have to look it up.

Yes, you do, because you sit up here making an argument.

No, brother, I'm out here in it every day.

But

you but you ate the world.

But I understand that, but this, okay, check this out.

This is what happens, man.

A guy comes in, a contractor comes in, he gives the job, right?

He gives the job at, let's say 22,000, okay?

He gives it at 22,000.

He goes back, he goes back, he already got his work team.

Now, his team, he might pay $12 an hour, $14 an hour, but he done bidded it at the regular cost.

That's how he makes

money.

I can't hear you.

Look, I have a contract with the county.

I'm paid through a temp agency.

The temp agency charges the county the top of that rate.

I'm not getting the top of the rate.

That's how they make their money.

They're making their

money

based on the fact that this

is what is coming in at this is the top that you pay for this position.

Technically, the job is not any cheaper.

Now, when you go through a temporary service, what it does say is that major company, the insurance and workman's comp, because that pays through the temporary service.

But that stays on that level.

But when you're really looking at it, brother, you ain't getting no deal.

The people that's getting it, the people that's getting the deal is the contractor.

Then he's dispersed the money out to the deal, the deal, the, the market dictates the price.

Right.

You know, so it's the market.

So if there's a demand, so it is cheaper to get your roof done in the winter, then it would be in the summer.

Am

I

correct?

I can agree to that.

Because

in the

winter, people are not... Material prices even kind of...

Right, because in

the winter, people are usually not getting their roofs.

If you drive now, look at all the roofs that are getting done right now.

People next door to me, they put a patio in and they put down some, a new driveway.

Man, they were out there.

Those days, it was 100 degrees.

They out there working in that weather.

And they probably weren't getting paid.

But any...

But anybody would do that, man, with a job.

No, anybody won't.

That's the point

we're making.

Hold on, hold on.

That's the point anybody won't.

There's a whole lot of

black males who

do not see themselves

getting out there working like

that.

They don't have the vocational.

I'm not going to put the brothers

down.

The skill set, you learn the skill set out of that, man.

None of those Mexicans went to trade school to learn how to do a roof.

You know what you

know?

They learned on the job.

They will teach you on the

job.

It's

pretty simple what you have to do.

You know what the Mexicans need?

The Mexicans are passing it on back to it.

They're passing it down.

They're not passing, they're passing the skill down.

So they bring, see that's what they're doing.

I'm not gonna get them people, man.

I mean, look at man, our people work just good.

Matter of fact, I'd like to show you some work that was just done.

It'll blow your mind.

I appreciate you, man.

Let me go.

I'm on the break.

And guess what?

The deal was, the deal we cut them in, they cut them in half, so cold, man, because everybody else was at 37, 40, 42.

We come in there, man, the dog on there cut it in half, and it looks so cold, so nice, so lovely, everybody, love it.

All right.

This is just recent.

This is real stuff, man.

Black folk get down.

Look, Mexican stuff started blowing off.

You go three days later.

That ain't true.

That ain't true.

Six months later, stuff started going off the side of the

building, man.

That ain't true.

And again,

I'm

trying to be very careful not to do any quality.

I'm

trying to be very careful not to be pejorative and say,

But when people look at their anecdotal experience, first of all, if you look at all the roofs, most of the roofs getting done are not done where you see black people even up on those roofs, right?

Correct.

All right.

So then the point

becomes, why?

Common talked about with the song, The Corner, and he was saying how we've been standing on The Corner.

We're used to nine to five.

Michelle just told you.

If the job starts at 8, these people start at 8.

Ain't nobody pulling up at 8.15, 8.20?

And then

you're going to take a

break

at 9.30?

Everybody ain't doing that,

man.

OK, OK.

Everybody ain't doing that.

And I agree with that.

Most

of the time, black folks want to get a deal.

So they go deals.

Yeah, no, no.

But see, that's the problem.

You want to get a deal.

You get what you want.

You know what?

You can put a black person on the job.

Get what you pay for.

Or you can do the job.

You get what you pay for.

I'm gonna say, you get what you pay for.

Hold on, listen, first of all, when you're working for most of us, we want a deal.

Everybody want a

deal, Meach?

Everybody want a deal?

But once you get done with that, they got something else for

you.

I learned this.

Sometimes you gotta pay, hey, Meach, sometimes you gotta pay the full

fee.

All right, I gotta go,

man.

I'm on break.

All right, man, I appreciate you.

Sometimes you gotta pay the full, that's the whole problem.

We want full free.

And we want to break.

Hey, man, no.

If there's a certain quality that you want, you pay for that quality.

Stop thinking that you sit up here when I was so embarrassed this brother was asking me.

He said, oh, man, how much you pay for those shoes?

And I was embarrassed because I didn't want to tell him how much I paid for the shoes.

Because when he found out how much I paid for the shoes, somebody can go, oh, man.

You could choose cheaper than that.

Yeah, I could but it ain't the same quality.

I'm

paying for the quality man.

It ain't the same quality.

It ain't the same feel.

It ain't the same material.

So like with dress shoes, it's certain dress shoes that you can give for three, four hundred dollars.

Yeah.

That if you try to get that same shoe that looks like that but not that exact brand at a cheaper price, it feels different when you wear it.

the the whole

the shoe

it's yeah the whole

quality man yeah

you know when people sit

up and talk about I got a pair of boots right now these boots look like they're getting better as they get older yeah right but what I pay for and I'm gonna tell y'all man I hate to you know be that dude but you know if you paying $400 for shoes

That's really kind of midpoint for good shoes.

Yeah,

because

so you

dropping the you dropping the grand.

Yeah,

you got I'm talking about real good shoes.

Yeah, you can sit up

here.

Yeah, I had these do.

Yeah, man.

You could do Stacey Adams.

It's back in the day.

Not today.

When you look at that Christian Louboutin, when you drop in twelve fourteen hundred bucks, that shoe is so well constructed

and it last and it lasts and it's heavy.

And I'm gonna tell you if you you go to Alan Edmond.

Where they will customize your shoes, because here's the thing people don't know about leather and shoes.

Most leathers, they mix it, right?

It might not be from the same cow.

High quality shoe, it's the same leather on both pair of shoes.

Look on the inside of the shoe, what is your insole?

Is it blind?

All those things, now get, I'm not telling you to go out and drop $500, $600 for a pair of shoes.

All I'm saying is,

You get what you pay for.

Period, man.

I mean, I look at price point, I go, now can I get it on sale?

That's the beast.

But then try to wait on it because there are other people out there who understand quality.

You know, it's like you can buy a suit.

Oh yeah, man, I get the suit for $119.

You're going to

be buying a new one in three weeks.

Yeah, because soon as that thread get caught on something.

and then start pulling apart.

Your whole suit is

done.

This dude

set me

up.

He brought out three suits.

He brought the most expensive suit.

He bought the cheapest suit and then he had the middle suit.

What suit do you think I tried on first, Clark?

The cheapest?

The high

one.

High end.

Because now...

When I put on the

low end, you go no and see

the

difference.

Right.

I'm telling you, man.

And it was just like, OK, let me go, man.

I don't go almost to your second break.

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