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What if- radically- public dollars went to public schools? (Hour 1)
Civic Media · Tue Feb 25, 2025
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Welcome back, Maggie.
Hey, Don.
I'm good to be with you guys.
You know, I always got like ideas of what I want to talk about when we start the show.
And sometimes this is get thrown out the window because I heard you today.
Thanks for listening.
Yeah, of course.
Love, love to hear you.
And especially today's topic that I heard of the part was school vouchers.
Yes.
I think maybe the school vouchers are ready for some doge, Maggie Dawn.
Yeah, like doge the old vouchers.
Let's doge the vouchers.
And I heard some conservative callers really not answering the question.
And that makes me wonder, why is that?
Well, why is it so difficult for folks?
Do you think Megidon to specifically come right out and say, yes, I want, you know, Christian religion taught in schools, but I don't know if I want that Muslim or Islam or, you know, Hindu or whatever else religion you may choose.
For some reason, it's very difficult for them to address that.
I think it's because it gets uncomfortable.
It's uncomfortable because, no, I don't want my tax dollars going to support Islamic education.
That's what they don't want to say.
And they don't want to say that, but they still want the tax dollars to support predominantly white Christian nationalist education.
Choice like all of these things like DEI has is the modern n-word, right?
Like you're a DEI hire You might as well be addressing a person of color and being like know your place And it ain't in the boardroom know your place.
It's not in my law firm.
It is modern day whitewashed code language for basically
some of the most insidious and anti-American ideas that you can imagine.
That is that one group of people is worth less than another group of people, and we're gonna keep it that way.
And that one religion is, it should be preference in this country over other religions.
Though, again, I thought we thought a war about that, but okay, not, I guess.
So it's very selective ideas of rights.
Right?
Like, that's
like, oh, freedom of religion, except when it comes to your body and the fact that you're pregnant, then no freedom of religion.
Freedom of religion, only when I want to have my religion preference over your religion, that's not freedom, right?
Like, that's why, you know, it reads, shall establish no religion, right?
Like, this is the point.
It's pretty insidious.
It's pretty consistent, and I think it needs to be called out.
This isn't about choice.
This isn't about having a reasoned discussion about outcomes in public schools.
If people, if conservatives were really serious about that, right?
Then what they would be advocating for...
is not vouchers in choice.
All that money that goes to vouchers in choice, they'd be saying take those dollars and let's give teachers raises.
You want to see people lined up around a block?
to be a public school teacher in the most difficult districts in the country.
them.
Right.
It's like capitalism,
here.
And the ironic thing, of course, is that they call it choice.
Oh, the parent needs choice.
We should lock a free market.
No, we shouldn't.
It's public education.
A, B, OK, then why aren't you paying teachers more?
Right.
Again, it's the philosophy, the ideology.
The belief only works up to, up to where they decide it doesn't arbitrarily because it's no longer privileging them or their perceived group.
The terrible reality is that this is all a long con, right?
Middle-class people, our kids all go to public schools.
90% of American children go to public schools.
You need public schools.
So what are you talking about?
Why wouldn't you want teachers to make more money?
It is a long con to create false division amongst people that have incredibly aligned interests.
That is working people in the United States.
fight with each other instead of worrying about the billionaire overlord who apparently is now attending cabinet meetings.
A couple of corporations
One, apparently not doing so
are down
Sales are down.
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The choice is there.
The choice is as it was when I was growing up prior to school.
choice.
My parents made the choice to pull me out of Hortonville Public Schools and put me into private Appleton Xavier school.
They made that choice and they made that choice to go to pocket and they made that choice and they scratched that check and they paid tuition.
They didn't get a tax break for it.
They didn't get reimbursement for it.
They didn't get a voucher for it.
They made that decision.
That's their choice.
And if you don't want that choice, what choice do we have as taxpayers to not, and I didn't mind the education.
I was excused from religion.
That's fine.
I was a
Not true in all schools.
Not true in all schools.
My experience was fine.
But again, what about the choice of us taxpayers not having our dollars going towards, and I'll say it because I don't believe any of it, the indoctrination, regardless of what the religion is, what I would call indoctrination.
And it's one thing to talk about the icon.
If you're going to have a religious school, regardless of the religion, and they're doing so great and the outcomes are awesome, excellent.
Can we do the same thing without teaching the religion class?
Yes.
Then do that.
Right.
That's fine.
I have never
been comfortable with first the Wisconsin State Supreme Court and then later, this was in the early nineties, it was first, we were literally the Petri dish
here.
Eventually the U.S.
Supreme Court saying public tax dollars can go to support a religiously based education.
Since when since they waved a magic wand.
mean that was what it was This is in alignment to in my mind with money as speech and presidents are kings
right that is so simply unfathomable to the average American that if we took all of the partisan Wrangling out of that and would have asked people 25 years ago.
Do you think your public?
Tax dollars, your tax dollars, your hard earned money should go to fund Islamic based education here in the United States.
Guess what the answer would be.
No,
is why the government shall not establish any religion.
And it's over and over again.
Here's a quote from one of the people that I tend to read a lot who is a professor who studies this.
Republicans are like arsonists.
who deliberately burn down your local public school and then have the shameless audacity to turn around and say to you, wow, your school's really terrible.
Here, let me sell you on my equally crappy school
no oversight, profit-making.
They are doing this to make money.
So the more money they get in, the more students they take in, as long as they keep them long enough to cash that voucher, well, they can just get rid of them.
Then what happens to the kids?
They come in, right?
And there is a window.
And I don't know what the window is, but they got to keep the kids for so long in order to get the full benefit of the money.
And after that point, the kid, they don't like it.
Maybe it's a problem child.
And they kick him out.
Where do they go?
Back to the public
school back to public schools.
They can they can elect not to take a kid because they have disabilities They're not required to take children with disabilities so they can discriminate They can decide not to take a kid because the kid has two dads or two moms or a single mother They can discriminate They're discriminating still on an income basis because oftentimes the vouchers don't cover the whole
Cost of the education so it's just until I see some systemized legitimate study that shows me that voucher and choice schools are Producing way better not the one-offs
on a consistent basis
lower squared Then I mean like what are you talking about all your it's this again you call it choice because you can't use
the word segregated.
You can't say that.
You can't say, I want religiously funded, segregated schools.
so that my white child doesn't have to go to school with gay and black and brown and maybe, uh, the child of a migrant.
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Uh, and, and on top of that, this is, again, it's not only just the-
The lack of of improvement or the lack of differing outcomes to any statistical difference.
It's a subsidizing of Religion and specifically of religious organizations like churches whose attendance are down the tithing is down and now they're tapping into the vein of the public of the socialist public schools to keep them up They already don't pay property taxes Maggie and now they're gonna get funding and on and what a mandate we fund in this state
Two school systems?
Yes.
Tom from LA made that point.
I've always said, hey, you want to know the single most impactful public policy change you could make that within one election cycle would yield amazing results, tax, religions, and use that money to pay teachers.
Hear me?
Write it down.
Tax religions and use the money to pay public school teachers.
The more difficult the district, the more challenging that particular student body is, the more trauma, the more hunger needs, the more uncertain housing insecurity,
more you get paid.
Because what we have done, conservatives will in one breath say,
Why are we asking police to be social workers, marriage therapists, child psychologists, I back the blue.
Well, then back the teachers.
Because they're asked to do all of that.
Social workers, marriage therapists, wraparound, social services, food intervention, every public school teacher I know has walked into their classroom.
with bags of food at some point in time because they've had students that they know are hungry in their classrooms.
So yeah, universal school lunch.
Let's start with that before universal vouchers.
Let's feed our kids and give them healthcare before you talk to me again about defunding public education so that well-to-do white families can send their kids to religious schools on the backs of those same working families' tax dollars.
Shame.
sending their kids to the same schools they were going to before, but now, taking a little off the top, put it in their pockets, they can, you know, go on vacation or whatever the case may be.
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Sounds
Thank you so much here.
Thanks so much.
Two items that I wanted to talk about, the Norse religion and legacy status.
I think it's often used that we speak of the Muslim religion.
We speak of, oh, do you want your kids to get instruction in this?
And would you feel comfortable about our tax dollars being used for
Switch to the idea of the Norse religion.
I think this is really fascinating.
There are a lot of veterans who are coming back from their military service and they have embraced the Norse religion.
It's a pagan religion, he then you might say, but it's one that they feel very strongly about.
And they have worship services.
They have asked for religious exemptions, for example, to grow a beard because that's part of the religion.
So they come home and they want to, you know, educate their kids.
in the Norse religion.
The Norse religion, which I think has about 21 gods altogether, so it doesn't come from that, you know, Judeo-Christian thing
all.
So, how do you feel about that, people?
Okay, these vets who serve their country want to have tax dollars to pay for their kids to be instructed in the Norse religion as part of their school day.
Let's talk about that.
I just, I wanted to pick up Maggie, you had talked about the incredible advantage of legacy admissions to schools.
And I just wanted to add this to the conversation, Maggie.
I had known that this had been a big thing in the last year or so, and I assumed that most colleges had gotten rid of it.
Nope.
at all.
Boy, was I wrong.
There's a website called collegetransitions.com.
You can look it up.
And for example, here's a stat.
The admission rate for people who have a legacy tie to Harvard is five times that of non-legacies.
And understand when they say legacy, a primary legacy is where one or both of the applicants parents
alumni.
Yes, but most schools also grant favor to secondary legacy.
Who can claim a grandparent, a sibling, or a non-parental, familial affiliation to the school.
Ants, uncles, cousins, yes.
Exactly.
And then there are seven pages on this table that they've listed here.
So you guys can take a look through it should you wish.
And it is just the table was updated in November of 2024.
So it's really pretty current.
But, I mean, just to look at this, it's colleges that may consider it, Bates College, Baylor University.
It's like,
it's
all of them.
Here's the other
thing, Joe,
that I think people don't realize is that oftentimes what happens is that the legacy admission preferences actually become smoke screen.
for the solicitation of donations from the highest net worth families.
I just read either a study or an article about that, probably an article about a study that had looked at those relationships because all admissions systems say, we keep our, they always call it university
They're like, that's a separate
never talk to admissions.
Turns out, of course, they do.
So you layer on legacy privileges, plus if you're real, real rich, they'll shake you down, get a building, and then you'll get in magically.
Well, I have two comments.
First about public schools.
Not all public schools are
necessarily bad just because we've had one test result that's bad.
A lot of great American people who have gone a long way in their education or in their fields have come from public schools.
I think of the small town of Winter, Wisconsin, who does a great job with EIP teaching.
One of their graduates was a NASA astronaut.
So to say that public schools are bad is wrong.
And I think Ali, this gets to this generalized bogeyman-ish, it's like, oh, public education, blah.
And I have nothing specific to say about what I would do or how I would fix it.
I am a very proud.
graduate of Rufus King High School for the College Mount on 19th and Olive.
I'm Milwaukee's near north side.
I will tell you that the highest density of people who I knew were way smarter than me that I have ever experienced in my life was at Rufus King High School.
There were more people in my senior class that I was like, I'm not even
range.
One of them was just on Jeopardy!
I mean like really, really smart people and incredibly great teachers.
I entered Marquette University on a full academic scholarship with 32 credits.
32 credits.
I was technically a sophomore
Yes.
And I was able to do so because of the education that MPS gave me at Rufus King.
Gave me that every taxpayer in the city of Milwaukee gave me, granted me the opportunity to be educated in that way.
Public schools that bring together kids from all over the place.
That is its own special kind of education.
so I chose to go to King my parents would have sent me anywhere They would have scrambled that money together, but I was like I want to go to King because one I wanted to be with the best of the best and I knew those kids were super talented and smart and I was like I know what kind of kid I'm gonna meet at all these other schools
I know I'm going to meet lots of kids who I would have never otherwise met if I go to King and that's why I went there and it delivered.
I was a transformed person humbled in the narrowness of my experience as a person humbled by the tiny angle of the world that my upbringing gave me.
My horizons were expanded.
I could see
all sorts of possibilities for myself that I had never seen before because I was going to school with all of these different kids from all different kinds of backgrounds and being taught by an equally diverse group of teachers and I think that deserves mention too.
We do not have nearly enough diverse teachers in our public school ranks.
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Uh, school choice, or as I like to call it, um, public tax dollars used to subsidize the grooming.
Religious grooming of our students.
I say that I don't use the public tax dollars to groom our students Yes, I'm saying it.
Come on.
You got to be kidding me did my Google search finally found something according to the AI overview of Google in 22 23 the state of Wisconsin spent about four hundred and forty three million dollars on its choice programs four hundred and forty three million dollars
Uh, Maggie did give me a little homework on the way out the door, actually doing the homework for me.
Thank you, Maggie.
Uh, Catherine Eden, uh, writing this, and I want to share this and we'll get back to your calls, 855-75-CIVIC.
In 1964, the Mississippi legislature created a voucher program for students attending non-religious private schools.
Immediately, this prompted the founding of three private segregation academies.
Hoping to spawn more schools, the White Citizens Council in its Journal of the Citizen offered step-by-step instructions, assuring anxious parents in 1964 that the state of Mississippi would never, I'm sorry, would pay up to $185 a year to each child in a non-sectarian school for tuition purposes.
Now, the citizen, again, this is the Journal of the White Citizens Council.
The White Citizens Council in 1964 their journal they opined quote parents want their children to be raised and educated free from the tensions of racial conflict in the classroom free from the frustrating drag of mass mediocrity and free from the blight of self-styled progressive educators whose avowed aim is to turn young Americans from the established inheritance of their fathers to alien theories of collectivism
and anti-white racism.
right?
No.
That's what everyone kept saying.
And so here in the state of Wisconsin, we continue to use our public tax dollars to subsidize the religious indoctrination of our youth and
Apparently the Megas and the Republicans everybody's fine with that on that side.
So long as that religious indoctrination is their chosen religion.
And as some
No, I don't want to teach about Jesus in the school.
I don't teach about Muhammad or or Buddha or any of the other gods that have come before Lord the Norse gods.
I love Joe's point.
You know, the Norse guys, some folks are actually apparently digging into it.
You know,
I mean, four of all, four, four?
Odin?
Why not?
I mean, why not?
Sure, why not?
At the end of the day, why not?
How about I just come up with some bunk, because this is all in my mind, made up garbage by the human race to subjugate other folks and to, you know,
Get into their pockets and make them do their will.
Well, I mean, what's the benefit?
You know, I mean, this is it's a grift to get into.
Tap that vein and for for these folks who and there's religious organizations who already pay no property taxes And who's who whose product is faith that they sell without any sales tax You know the tithing I said there should be sales have a sales tax on it I think come on You know I got all sorts of ways to try to tap into their vein and if you can't afford it Well, come on everyone else pays property taxes then I guess you just got a tie We get your get your flock to throw a little more money in right?
What's wrong with that?
So, yeah, I got a huge, huge problem with this, but to Joe's point, our caller Joe from the first segment, I believe, using the Norse religion as an example, and I think Cam texted on the text line, we use, we say Islam a lot, and we use that religion because it triggers the righties, man.
They're all mad about Sharia law.
Oh, Sharia law, can't handle that.
But cannon law, totally fine.
We're fine with that.
So that's why I use that religion.
I have nothing more against that religion than any other religion.
I don't want that taught in the schools.
I don't think it should be taught in the schools.
Our declaration, our constitution does not allow for Jesus.
You don't see Jesus anywhere.
I mean, let's just throw everything in there.
You're a creator.
Yeah.
You know, my creator was my mom and my dad.
That's who created me.
So, let's see, Mark jumps on the YouTube.
Dom doesn't know what the...
F he is talking about.
Well, Mark, why don't you enlighten me?
Why don't you give us a call?
855-752-4842.
I pray, Mark, that you call me and tell me what I don't know what I'm talking about.
855-75 Civic.
I guess I'm just... It irritates me to no degree.
because the, at least in my position, in the position of the founding documents of this country, which emphasizes the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for every person, everybody, no matter who, where, what, when.
Religion, color, it doesn't, none of that matters.
And I wonder why this has worked so far.
to this degree because who as an individual cannot appreciate oh my god i'm living a society where other people respect my abilities to to to exist to have my life and my liberty and pursue my happiness as i see fit certainly so long as that happiness doesn't involve you know stepping all over everybody else right there are limitations and then we we form this this this this government you know to try to balance it all out to to reflect the will of we the people
And when you when you when you when you throw in only this religion or only that religion Well, then it kind of goes against it when you flirt with authoritarianism you start throwing Nazi seagals around you call it you call your president king You put memes out absolute monarchy those things are the antithesis of what we the people what this country is about so y'all should be offended at that
And the same thing with this school of ultra, half a billion dollars to subsidize religious indoctrination with very little oversight, very little transparency, the ability for those schools to reject after cash out of checks for a while, the students.
And then they end, what happens?
What happens at the end of the day?
While those students end up either, what?
In jail or in the public schools.
8, 5, 5, 7, 5, 2, 4, 8, 4, 2.
Don't hide behind the flag and call it patriotism.
Don't hide behind your religious book and call yourself spiritual when you want to offer differing scenarios and education opportunities for people based on their religion and their color and the rest of it.
That's not how it's supposed to be.
The melting pot, people.
Or you can just, you know,
wish your way back to pray that you get transported back to 1964.
And maybe you can join the white citizens council and, you know, start your own voucher school.
855-752-4842.
Thank you, Maggie Dawn.
Let's get back to the lines.
Charles from Milwaukee.
You are up.
Welcome, Charles.
What are your
thoughts?
Hey, Dom.
So I, um, earlier when you, when Maggie was on, it's a three week process.
So, so little Billy has been a troubled kid.
his parents decide they want to send them to a voucher school.
Voucher school sees that Billy's been having problems, but they decided to take them anyway.
So Billy is having issues with that first three weeks after the state sends out, after the school sends in their enrollment counts, the state gets the numbers and when they start getting ready to divvy out the money, Billy looks at the teacher sideways, Ms.
Jones.
goes to also, I want Billy out of my class.
Well, they kicked Billy out of the voucher school.
Billy goes back to MPS and the voucher and the voucher money stays at the choice at the private school.
And so now Billy goes back to the public school system.
Right.
without any money.
And I know this because I spent 18 years in the MPS as a special education team.
God bless you, Charles.
Yeah, let me, I mean, so this has been a long time coming, Charles, and I certainly appreciate your perspective, man.
I assume based on this conversation, you're not down, you're not hip to the school choice slash, you know, whatever you want to call it.
What do you think the resolution should be?
What is the remedy?
uh, to, to step away from this breach.
Well, the way it had been before it was changed that if, if parents want to send their kids to a private school to learn about, about Christ, then they should pay for it.
As mine did.
We should not have to, we should not have to pay for it.
Um, and when they talk about indoctrination, that's it right there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you're telling your, your, your, your, your, you know, you hear people say,
Oh, well, we should teach the Bible in school.
Well, what about the Muslim kids in school or the Jewish kids that may be at a school?
You know, so they're supposed to just just suck it up.
And and this is the gospel.
What you're telling me.
even a level more insidious than when a student goes to a voucher school and their voucher money goes to that school and the voucher after that period of time says you know what we're not gonna keep you and they send them back to the public schools public schools Get part of their funding based on the number of students that they have enrolled at the beginning of the year so when they then are
I don't want to use the word forced but forced to accept these students back into their pool not only does the voucher school get the money
The public school doesn't get the money that they should have gotten for that child if they had been enrolled at the beginning of the year.
So it is a double loss to the public school.
So the private or the voucher school, the choice school, quote unquote, gets $10,000 after the time period is up, they throw them out.
Well, that's a $20,000 swing, right?
That's public school doesn't get the ten grand.
The private school gets the ten grand.
That's a $20,000 swing and someone still got to educate the kids.
And we do have an election coming up folks.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm department.
Oh wow this state superintendent of schools Dr. Jill Underly That's the one you should all be voting for versus the other one who literally literally is a quote-unquote consultant and cast his checks it makes money off of the choice voucher slash schools I know there's different meanings for whatever but at the end of the day
It doesn't matter to me.
Call it whatever you want.
It's taken money out of the public schools and put it into the pockets of the parents of kids who they determine want to get a private and religious education.
That if they were so faithful to this process, they would go to pocket for like my parents did.
They didn't get a tax break.
They didn't get a voucher.
They just made that decision.
And that's a tough decision to make, man.
I mean, damn, back then it was probably like...
I didn't want to guess the number, but it was money.
Like when I realized, oh my God, we're paying tuition for you to go to high school.
That seems outrageous.
I should go to college for that kind of money.
But they made the determination.
and look how it worked out.
The education itself
Education never did nothing for me though.
And books, it was the worst eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.
That election is coming up on April 1st, April 1st.
So if you have concerns about this, and it's not like, you know, that the department of public construction, you don't normally could, you know, wave a magic wand and make this go away.
I think there's more of a legislative Tony Evers.
Could you, could you veto what you talk about?
What kind of reaction should we have?
And I don't want to see like all these kids and parents are relying on this thing to have a poll note from underneath them, not doze over here, right?
But a winding down, you know, that'd be appropriate.
We don't want religion.
I don't want religion taught in public schools.
Keep that to yourself.
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Welcome back to the Dom salvia show eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five so Civic got some callers gonna get to you just PS working hard on the phones and on the board a couple of textures out there It's not just a phone line.
It's also a text line and of course we're on the socials as well Tim from Wales points out not all charter schools are church based many are stem based with very good grades With very high college acceptance
Oh, we got Tim on the line.
What's, let's hear Tim.
Tim, you're absolutely right.
Welcome to the show.
What do you got for us?
You just read it.
Yeah, man.
No doubt.
So, and I get that.
And, you know, the, the, these, these organizations are at least overseen by, you know, the public schools to some degree, like university or, or, or the, you know, the school system, though they don't have to follow the exact, the same rules.
So certainly different than, than, than the vouchers, right?
I mean, there's, there is still go through the voucher system.
And one of them that I'm actually working on constructing right now, 92% of all their kids are accepted at colleges.
Now, is that a religious organization as well, Tim?
No, it's not.
Okay.
Gotcha.
What do you think about, well, about the tax dollars being used specifically to send, you know, about kids to private voucher schools that teach religion.
using public tax dollars spent.
Do you think that's appropriate?
I'm on the fence with that one.
Not as much as going to a different school to better the school.
If they're not getting as good grades, say a failing school that your local school is kind of failing, I agree with being able to have the parents make the choice for the kids to be able to go to a school.
where they can get a better education and help their future.
Do you think that perhaps some of these quote unquote failing, and I guess that's a subjective term until we come up with what that really means, that we'd have better outcomes if we weren't pulling out a half a billion dollars in a 22-23 budget to subsidize this other school system?
Do you think that would be, and then on top of that, of course, paying the teachers more, Tim?
It would correct.
you know, it's, it's more money would help, um, on some of it is some of the teachers, even though they've got seniority in there, you know, it's kind of hard to get rid of some of them sometimes.
And could that be part of the problem and classroom over, you know, too many kids in the classroom, it's harder to teach and
Yeah.
I mean, there, and thank you.
Oh, sorry about that, Jim.
Thank you for the comment.
I certainly appreciate your perspective.
And there are lots of real variables that go into what ultimately become the outcomes for those students.
I mean, I went to grade school, high school, college and grad school.
And my experience is pretty much the bulk of man, there's some really good teachers and some really bad teachers.
And then most are pretty okay doing their thing.
I think that exists in lots of things, you know, the, so I
The problem being for me is the the the religious aspect of it and in the unaccountability of it and the the the ability for these organizations to take kids in and play the system get some money and these are you're talking about especially we talk if you're talking about a for-profit organization.
Oh my god, what are we doing?
I mean we talk about it is as the
the conversation of the days, the doze, you know, efficiencies and all that.
Well, how is it efficient to have two, you know, school systems or two mandates in the state of Wisconsin for schooling?
And it doesn't make sense.
And I think if we go back and you look at some of the history of this and where it came from in Milwaukee being the experiment, oh, what a great idea we're going to do this and look at the creep.
You know, look at the creep and the expansion of this and all of a sudden now we got all this money going out and are the outcomes any better?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
And at the end of the day, if there were to be some glorious educational outcome for students that went to XYZ, fill in your God school here,
And they were able to do all that and went out of college or whatever their dreams were.
Their dreams were met and all expectations were met.
If that was us still funding religious education, I still don't want it.
I don't want that.
That's not how it's supposed to be.
Because where do you draw the line?
Oh, that makes total sense.
Christianity, that's one of the big three, right?
It's based on the Muhammad.
North religions all can't have that.
That's crazy.
That's a Marvel movie.
Well, yeah, and?
And everyone is an atheist.
I just take mine one God further eight five five seven five two four eight four two Kirk from Madison.
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What do you
got?
Well, um, the longer you stay on hold, the more information you get, the harder.
Um, I guess I'm gonna have to go back to my original thought is how long do we have to continue walking this planet, dragging our knuckles in the dirt?
realizing and looking back on history that everything was always controlled by men, mostly sort of, you know, some people like Cleopatra's, but nonetheless, I digress.
As you said, Dom, and I've said exactly the same thing you did.
These are men.
creating history on fantasy, on manufacturing stuff too.
And why do they manufacture it?
Well, they manufacture it because they know in some aspect it will provide them control.
They need that control.
The reality is, I'm just disappointed with our school funding situations.
I'm gonna have to come down and being the, I don't know,
the cog in the wheel here.
I mean, I always state that when we run into problems like this and they escalate, and I'm just going to put this as a quick side note, this started with Reagan, that the voters determine the outcome.
And if we have outcomes that aren't as we're discussing today, we think should be going the other way.
Well, then it kind of points to the fact that those who should be involved in the voting and