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Dr. Johnny Lupinachi Jacob chairman of the board me Dr. Tim Slecker and it is a class
In session and it is a special class in session. Oh, yeah, Johnny because you know, probably
One of our all-time favorite guests
In fact listeners you're gonna know who we're talking about because oh, yeah her and her part
Have been a large part of the show for for as long as we have been with civic media, so
But I don't know. Let's just you know, we're talking about teacher Halley teacher
Penalies in the house
Man everybody's like when is teacher Halley coming back on right?
Just throw out people we got her, you know, you know, but we got to make sure that the timing is just
Perfect and
Based on what I'm seeing here and what we're gonna talk about we're like four days away from
What will be a launch I think right Halley? Yeah, okay, so teacher Halley. Yes part of the duo teacher Halley teacher Joe Anna
As you can amplify
They've been on the show together. We've been we've put their podcast out to look at
Halley. Yes teacher, but teacher Halley now
I'm wondering are we gonna have to start calling you entrepreneur Halley
That'd be great
Teacher to change maker Halley. Oh, okay change maker not entrepreneur. Let's keep it
I'm sure I mean that's what we're talking about Johnny, though check it out right
Teacher Halley we get this little thing going hey guys
I
Got something else kind of going on and when she talks about it. We're not gonna be
Surprised about the content, but regulate to educate. Yeah
Teacher Halley has founded her own
LLC. Yes, oh my god, so you are a beer you're an independent business woman regulate to educate
What are we talking about what's this business all about?
I know, you know, and I am so glad on your website that you pointed out very quickly
For slow learners like me that regulate is not
referring to
Rules and ordinances that make life miserable
In fact it's correct white the opposite teacher Halley. What's going on with regulate to educate? Yeah, so obviously you know
Myself and teacher Joanna have always talked about the concept of nervous system regulation and that was the cornerstone
The the foundation the everything of when we were teaching together
What everything was built off of and so
Right you leave the classroom you have all these big ideas and you're like I'm gonna change the world
And then two years went by and nothing happened
We're not nothing, but I didn't change the world is what what did happen
um, and so this is really like
a combination of my teaching experience plus really being able to take the last two years to really
Imagine put together reflect on like okay, what's needed? You know like I think I just spent the last two years really trying to find like us
base or people that were like
Really talking about how we are going to help the profession of education
And I think there are definitely people like obviously you guys are out here like sharing what's going on
And there's like different people, but I was like
No one's talking about nervous system regulation in schools like
You know, they're talking about nervous system regulation as a parent or
Nervous system regulation for yourself for nervous system regulation for weight loss, but I was like
Oh my gosh like
It's that out here or if it is it's really hard to find
So it's really the same mission and vision as we've always been talking where I just really want to empower educators
To understand to what nervous system regulation is
Um, and I had a mentor along the way
Um who helped me see that I dream very big which
Has not gone away
But she was like you need to take small actionable steps, you know
Because I want to like bust in the door go to the Capitol and be like we're changing laws now, right
And that's now it works
So my small actionable stuff is creating this LLC
um
About regulate to educate how do we bring nervous system regulation as the foundation of education
And so it's starting off. I really just I want to work with educators and you know
That includes teachers counselor staff that works in our schools K through 12 schools
I could open it up to the Johnny Lupinatches of the world too
I was gonna say I think I saw him actually hitting the he's signing up already
Thank you
But um, yeah, I I want to create spaces. It's just a continuation of what we've always done
I want to create spaces and connect with educators to empower them to bring things into the classroom
For themselves because I know they are down and out out here. So that's what it's all about
Johnny
Well, I love it. I love it. You know, it's not just an update
It's the next actionable step coming from
Teacher Halle and from all the ways that you've not only identified
You know barriers for teachers and in challenges that we face in the classroom
But you're always taking that step to organize and and make that next step whether it's policy recommendation
Right rolling up your sleeves and being a part of the school board
Right, whatever you can do to help serve
Teachers and teacher labor like how we can really do our jobs better
Because we're taking better care of ourselves through practices that line up and balance
All right, I love this
I mean, I love all the work that you and Joanne have done and continue to do and I love this regulate to educate
And it's act it's so accessible. That's what you're talking about if this stuff does exist in
pockets and places
It's usually like you you have to dig really deep to find it
And then if you're like me over the years you find it and you're like you could go on this retreat
Way off in the Pacific somewhere and I'm like no because I don't have any time
And I don't have a ton of money. I'm a teacher and I'm dysregulated and I need to regulate
And I don't have time to you know do a whole spa week
Of course, you know, so tell us a little bit about regulate to educate and and excitingly what's coming up soon
And it's super accessible for a lot of our listeners, especially with constant teachers listening
Yeah, so since this is like my first kickoff. I was like, okay, what can I naturally bring to the table that I
Feel really good at so right? I'm a teacher like at heart and I think forever
It's just a kind of a new format of teaching. So I'm offering a course. It's five weeks long
It's purposely placed. It'll start next Sunday, October 19th and it's five weeks leading up to Thanksgiving and then the holiday
Extravaganza that happens right when stress levels really rise
And so I did purposely line it up that way practice regulation before the holiday season
And so right now this course
Has a combination of many things. There will be a 21-day journal that
You know participants that sign up will be able to engage in this
My own turn
Nice. Oh, I love it. Oh my god. I can't believe it
So I think eventually I'll offer this more mainstream, but I'm like for now. Let's have a course
It's called the empowered educator 21-day journal regulate educate by
Kelly
And so I'm just really excited that we'll be able to follow along
Like real actionable practical practical things about bringing nervous system regulation
Included in it too will be modules where I'm literally teaching what nervous system regulation is
I do recognize I just constantly say regulation and some people might think rules and then I'm like
Okay, wait, there's like this whole thing
And so there's modules to watch and then also zoom meetings
To connect once per week with a group of people or just just talking and I am so open like it isn't
I'm being really intentional not being like okay day one less than one right like it is very
Open accessible if you want to talk about a module we can talk about a module
If you want to talk about a specific situation that happened in your classroom where you are like
Whoa, is this this regulation? We can talk about that too
So I'm really open to
Wherever the course takes us
In the five weeks, but always guided by the journal and then nervous system regulation and practicing it for yourself
First
So that's kind of what it is about and then right like you said if you live in Wisconsin and you wear a weak member
So a teachers union teacher
It is free
Ah
And so I'm super excited about that like that was such a neat
Coming together with weak that they were like oh
Thank you for offering this course. Do you know it's freedom members and I was like
I thought I was gonna have to talk about like how do we make this accessible and how do we know people be able to afford this
And the fact that I don't have to and I can just be like take it, you know feels really good
So yeah, I'm excited about all of that
Well, so I mean this is you know, what what you have you've you've talked about this and dreamed about this
You say, you know, you've got big ideas big dreams, but you know
Maybe this is a small accidentable step, but I also think this is part of the big dream
Correct do this. Let's not minimize the fact that you're putting in to play
Something that you and teacher Joanna have been advocating
nonstop and so, you know, here you are
You know regulate to educate yeah for everybody listening and Wisconsin weak members, you know, what a great deal free
That ain't bad, but you know any other listener wherever you are even our listeners in Finland, you know 300 US dollars
Hey, I ain't bad either come on. No, it's really not. Yeah, you know, if you if you've looked at you know, what it takes to sign up
Now teacher Ali just so people want to get a sense though too because I think I kind of figured this out as you're talking
So over the time there are going to be kind of like asynchronous types of modules that people can do on their own
with with
Random or semi-regular or you know
live zoom meetings with you
To talk about that
And then the journaling so I guess you know for for all of you tech people out there
Sounds like a hybrid type of model of delivery. Yeah
Yeah, I guess I could say that, but that makes me like break out and hives and think of COVID. So I don't use that word
Make makes it makes you retake your own class again. I gotta gotta regularly, you know
Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, and any any reference to COVID, but I mean, you know, that is um
You know that that ability to kind of work at my own pace if I'm doing it
You know the way you know if it's 2 a.m. And I really need to
Regulate I'm like I can get up and dig in to the to the course
And then when I'm totally like oh my god, I I need to talk to teacher Halle you're saying you're gonna be available
Yeah, so right now how it works is it's we have dedicated times once per week
So on Tuesdays nights once per week we can all meet it as a group now
It doesn't mean that I'm unwilling to chat with people or find another opportunity to talk with people
I don't know. It's my first time offering it. So I am so open to
You know what works what doesn't work um, but I think for right now, you know a lot you know
I mean the majority of my teaching was in circles, right? And then like I mentioned before on COVID
I figured out how to do circles
Overzoom
So that's why I feel comfortable with this and I'm like let's start here
And I love the concept of them being able to like write teacher from
One part you like north
West part of Wisconsin can connect with teacher from southeast part of Wisconsin, right? Or oh no
The people in Finland listening, you know, and so I like the concept of connecting with other educators
Because really my goal in this is like the journal says I want to empower educators
Or I want them to feel in power because we do feel so
deflated, you know, take an advantage of
Exploited burnt out whatever the words, you know, they're negative
And so I want this to be an opportunity for people to connect
With other educators to re, you know, re-bring inspiration and hope and like okay
Maybe we can produce little soldiers to help us like
re-think or re-new public education because we know it's just
Such a little cesspool of craziness right now
You know, I love this teacher, Halley and I think so often about
Myself and my own growth as a teacher and I learned to write new lesson plans and you know, I got you know
All kinds of great professional development on new strategies to
You know engage learners to differentiate curriculum and all this like skill building around my craft of teaching
I got very little support on how to take care of myself or even recognize what a
Disregulated nervous system is and I think you've talked about that and taught that on our show and certainly and on your website and everything
You talk about the nervous system for our listeners who are thinking like what what do they really talk about because I'm really listener
I'm really
Always a fan of teacher, Halley, but especially this because there are so many resources for us as teachers
Like how to improve our lesson plans how to implement strategies for
You know a learner with this Lexia all kinds of really cool stuff
That we know about learners
But there is not a ton at least in my experience. And that's why I'm educated educator. I teach teachers
There's very little on how we take care of ourselves and how that care or even that knowledge or balance and understanding of our nervous system
Translate to good pedagogy, but it does and you and teacher Joanna make that connection. So far listener
I've talked enough. Can you explain like how do you know if you're dysregulated?
So here's what I'll say is
nervous system regulation is so like it's just how our brains and body work
So what's why I mean it blows my mind that we
Just have schools that we're like we're going to focus primarily on academics
And we assume and expect children to walk into our doors
And we shove 30 in a classroom at a time with one adult and and they should all be ready and it blows my mind because
Basically our brain is the command center of everything we do and there's this part in our brain called the amygdala
That is
It's only job is to scan for danger and danger is different for all of us
So like what could be danger or a threat or something unsafe to Tim
Could be safe to Johnny you know like math problems right right
Right, so if if little Johnny
Is amygdala's going because that's a job and it's math time and little Johnny is like oh crap. I hate math
The crazy thing about this is that the amygdala will sound off unconsciously and send messages through our body
Okay, and so whether it's headaches stomach aches a stress response that maybe's fight or flight
It just happens automatically
And the fact that we don't have any of that baseline understanding is wild to me because little Johnny could be freaking out internally
Let's say but maybe little Johnny you know we're used to seeing like the student that's like
This is dumb or like throws the pencil or yells and they kick them out whatever
Little Johnny could be more of a freeze response and just be like frozen
But he's not interrupting he looks like a good little student
So we don't even realize that little Johnny is freaking out about the math that's sitting in front of him
And so it's just about
Increasing our awareness to understand that this is happening and the most beautiful part to me is that it's happening in all of us
So it's super accessible and you can feel more in control when you understand it for yourself
But that's why I always say it starts with the adult in the room or it starts with you
because if you don't understand that
Little Timmy's fight response triggers you you know like if little Timmy's freaking out
And then you start freaking out like it's just this like crazy like everybody can kind of domino affect each other
And if we don't have that baseline understanding right it just turns into the rules it turns into the policies
It turns into the one size fits all it turns into compliance
And I'm just really about like okay, this is just how our brains and body work
And I do respect that neuroscience has developed you know, and so I do understand we didn't know this when like schools were developed
But I think it's time for us to evolve as an education
You know, you mean like back in the day when you know
When you were in school
What I would say
When I am engaged in performing a dysregulating act in front of my teachers and and they and they decided that
My my best place would be out in the hall and the way they got me in the hall
Um was literally picking me up and
throwing me out into the hall
Correct that teacher was dysregulated
correct
100% I'm not gonna call you up teacher, but you know who you are that you're listening to the show
Yes, I still remember that moment and
You just didn't know how dysregulated you were yeah, they let their dysregulation turn into regulation on you Tim
Regulators mount up tossed him in the hallway
The best part of that episode is the kid who got thrown out there before me was out in the hallway crying
And as I came out into the hallway, I came out laughing and I was just like
Oh two different effects on the being thrown out of the classroom
But no, I mean this is thinking about that teacher howley there the interactions right and even when you talk about rules
It's it's like
You know what happens is you know, I was remember this you know being taught to be a teacher and then going in and then my principal
You know, where is your assertive discipline chart, you know that lays out the rules and the consequences for each time you break an infraction
And you're like, okay, cool and then all of a sudden
you get
somebody like myself at that age
Who um is fully aware of the consequences and the rules and really doesn't care
And so you as a teacher you start, you know, we're yeah, yeah
Guess what hey when you're teaching fifth graders if you're out there and you've done that um they sometimes can get
Annoying and so you're like um, sorry Timmy um that is I'm gonna write your name on the board
Okay
Great well Timmy's like, okay, cool whatever, yeah, and then it levels up and
All of a sudden you as the teacher have gone like
None of these rules are working
Mm-hmm, and that's when you enter that phase of oh my god. I don't
Potence I what you're saying is like I didn't know what to do
In that heightened situation because I'm starting to get really uptight stressed and
Probably then the way I handled that stressful situation
Really itself was probably not the best way because of my
Disregulation and my inability to kind of see that event as it was happening and kind of go whoa hold on
I didn't need to step back or maybe even
How not to get there to begin with are we talking about that potentially or we talking about reactive types of
No, no, no, this is far more proactive, but you have to have an understanding in order to get there
I think the other thing that's interesting about this is you know
I think often times I don't really know why but nervous system regulation is more looked at a socially emotional type of thing or
Only behavior and I want to help introduce this concept even to how like how we function in schools
Increases dysregulation so loud noises or the fact that there's so much pressure and compliance
The competition that exists because of standardized testing that I think I was up
Disregulation. I kind of was even potentially saying that by saying like like the rule system and compliance system that I was required
Yes, implement in and of itself was
Was you know both a behavior system, but it was actually a compliant system that really didn't take into account any of the things
That you're going to be whole teaching
Yeah, that would you know, I don't want you know for some reason maybe even potentially like um, you know
Get away from generic behavior consequence systems and really be
You know engaged in in authentic relationships
Yeah, like go ahead, Hallie. Well, and taking a deep dive into
Just taking a look at what things in our system
Naturally increases dysregulation and how can we look at that differently if we continue to restrict recess
We're only increasing that dysregulation, you know like people need fresh air
They need to move their bodies the more we're sitting sitting and getting in order to get all the curriculum in like
It's just it's rubbing against like what is actually developmentally appropriate for a learning brain
And so we just need to have those conversations
I'll also say that I am very ready to empower educators because so much of our system relies
On educators saying yes and not setting boundaries and not being able to say no and so
It increases their dysregulation as well, and so I can't wait to empower educators to say
No
Like added things right like they already have a full-time job
So when we add duties and you know like testing and you know like just all the added things that are just naturally expected because
You love the students
Do this for the students. I like how can we crack open and expose how this is actually really toxic
And so I get it's going to rub against people's hemas of school and I'm okay with that
This is my attempt at working towards how can we actually make this profession a space where professionals flourish and so therefore
students
Flourish
Yeah, I love it. I've long said the human body is not a machine
Right and to understand teacher labor as simply just tune up the machine and you know program it
To do more or different tasks
You know overlooks like you're saying teacher howie the natural
Ways our bodies work the ways with we as learners lead learners
Right the ways our brains are engaged if they if we if we're expected to do great inquiry
Conversations with patients and inquiry with young people
But be completely
You know this regulated
Before they even get through the door because schools are set up in very dysregulated ways
Right that the that the labor isn't
You know defined for us or supported in a way that's
That that allows for good teaching and great learning to happen
So I love all these parts coming together, you know teacher howie has it here regulate to educate I mean teacher howie's also a treasure trove of
Like great phrases that aren't just cooked up like they match actually like the stuff
They're on just like you cook up these phrases that are catchy. They really help us remember
I mean it must be you must be a teacher right they really help us remember and communicate meaning
But regulate to educate it's a big deal. I'm a big fan
We're glad that you're here to talk about it and Johnny probably the most infectious awesome
laugh
There it is the cat so teacher teacher howie it starts this Sunday
Yep, October 19th
people can go to
regulate number two
to educate
Click on the course they can sign up right there yep and
Wow, and we will definitely have this in the description of the podcast
So if you get it there, but if you're listening right now, you're like I got to sign up regulate the number two educate
Dot com you can go right there click on that and howie
We also though gonna give you know you're gonna be it looks like you're gonna be on tv pretty soon and when that happens
So we're just gonna put that out there. Yeah, stay tuned because teacher howie's gonna be coming back on oh
Yeah
Let's go
Yeah, and if you want to talk about a cackle
I think the b-roll of that entire show is my laughter
I'm so much so I'm on a tv show. I'll give a plug. I'm on a tv roll called shift the gotten intelligence blueprint
Really fancy ways I'm to say
How I talk about nervous system regulation basically. It's very similarly aligned
But it was a Wisconsin-based DACU series where a woman is using her techniques to help people work through
Relationships a career change all sorts of things
And so she made this show it will be on hulu
Apple tv and amazon
So it's gonna be where people are watching
But we just don't have a release date yet
But again, if you go to regulate the number two educate com
I'll definitely update when that comes out
And then you can also click on the upper links for my socials. I'm on a whole bunch of them
Trying to figure out the world of social media
But yeah, no, it's it's all wonderful. It's all great
You know teacher Joanna is backing you 100% and I do see in my crystal ball
We will come back together
You know, but we both are independently dabbling in our things and I can just feel this beautiful
I don't know coming back together once for both like, oh, that's what's gonna happen. That's gonna be the sound
You know it. It's teacher howie regulate to educate
Yeah, the trailer also it is on regulate to educate so you can check it out teacher howie
Thanks for busting pencils
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