I wish people could see the theatrics we put on there, Jacob, for that.
I was so hard for the non-visual audience.
Man, love that.
Saturday, you know, it is one hour of busted pencils, fully-ledded education talk,
educated educators talking, education, man, gotta love this producer.
Jacob is in the house.
Me, Dr. Tim Slecker.
I'm here.
Dr. Johnny Lupinacci.
He's at a faculty senate meeting right now, Jacob.
So he is fully doing the educated educator thing.
He must be filibustering there in that senate because it's taken forever.
He's like, hey, guys, you guys, let's keep the debate going because that way,
maybe I can, you know, maybe miss the first segment of busted pencils, you know.
He said, I will now read all of Game of Thrones.
Oh, oh, to stop this motion.
Either that or pretend, I just hope that he didn't bring his taxi driver outfit
with the loaded calculator.
You got to be careful with the calculators.
I preach this on this show all the time.
First, I think we should ban calculators in general.
But if you're going to have them, you need to be careful with your calculators.
Make sure they're there.
There's no numbers punched in.
They're absolutely at zero.
But you know, you can never be too careful, Tim.
That's a throwback to the producer's choice show and case people.
Yeah, I was going to say, you know, if you're going, what are these guys talking about?
Have they lost last, last producer's choice, Johnny Lupinacci,
and the taxi driver calculator demonstration that, you know, it was one of the things
that he loved about teaching.
So that's all we need to say about that, right, Jacob?
If people really want to know, they have to go back and listen to the last podcast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if you haven't seen taxi driver, we've just given you something to do later on this Saturday,
after you've done listening to the show, you know, go out and take that.
And yeah, that's Robert De Niro.
What was he like 13 when he did that movie, Jacob?
I think, I think Jody Foster was like 13 when she did that movie.
I think Robert De Niro is just a very, very old man at this point.
Unless you see him in the Irishman where they really de-aged him to look about 70.
So he looked a lot younger than that.
Nice.
Well, and that, uh, that, that mole, though, that characteristic mole, you know,
right there kind of below the cheek a little bit above the lip.
He's got it there, though, man.
I'm thinking about having cosmetic surgery to add a mole to my face,
just lack that distinguishing feature.
You know, that's my big problem in life.
What happens when you grow a new mole in your 50s?
Tim, is this, what is this show about?
What do we do here?
Is this what we're, we're going to talk about growing moles?
Well, here's the, you know, it's a lovely Saturday show.
It's a beautiful.
Over the past few weeks, we have had some great guests, some great interviews.
And, um, you know, listen to feedback was like, you guys are great.
You're bringing us some great guests, but where is just, you know,
Tim, Jacob, Johnny, just, you know, telling us about everything that's going on in education,
letting us know the way of the world, where everything's happening.
Well, we said, you know what?
Let's get back to the roots of just, you know, education talk radio.
What's happening out there?
Jacob, I remember pitching busted pencils, the concept and people going,
you're going to have like a radio talk show about education?
Why?
Who would want to listen to that?
Who would want to know what bulletin boards look like and things like that?
And I was just like, that gave me a totally, you know, invigorated sense of going,
that's exactly why there needs to be a busted pencils education talk show,
because we're not talking about bulletin boards and pencil sharpening and bathroom breaks and stuff like that.
You know, occasionally during the show, we need to sharpen a pencil and need to take a bathroom.
You're giving me ideas for producers choice next week.
I'm thinking bulletin boards, bathroom breaks.
Yeah, okay.
These are good.
Keep, keep, put pre-assisted.
Find another, find another bee in there and you've got a, you've got a, you know, a trifecta there.
But no, Jacob, what's going on in the education world so much is going on.
And man, I, you know, we've got a list of news stories here.
If we get to them all, it's going to be great.
And then we'll talk about it.
And then you know, you know, we'll make sure that we mentioned towards the end of the show to go and check these out.
But Jacob, you know, first and foremost here, it, you know, and if you're listening on Saturday.
My guess is, is that the reality is that yes, the government will still be shut down.
We are recording this on Thursday, the day two, right, of the, of the government shutdown or.
The day two.
Nothing in the news shows me that Friday tomorrow, you know, the day before you hear this show, they're going to figure something out because I'm pretty sure that both sides.
Delusionally believe this is helping them.
Yeah, I guess they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't at least think there's a, there's a good chance that it'll work out for them and make them look good.
The thing I'm, that gives me hope to him about this situation, you know, is that whatever you want to say about politics in America right now.
We've got a very reasonable president who's willing to compromise and bring people together.
He's a uniter, not a divider.
So uniter will be good.
In fact, I think news story one coming out from NBC, you know, so what happened storing a government shutdown.
Well, yes, all of those federal offices, the people that work there, don't have to go to work.
They, they get snow days, I guess, or something like that.
So federal employees are furloughed.
People say fired.
They don't show up to work.
And understanding that, that, you know, most federal employees are, yes, civilian people who have nine to five jobs, doing things to keep, you know, the lights on that we call America.
A big, well, you know, after those, there's a lot less of those federal employees.
But in the department of education, there's a whole group of people who still work there, take care of things, except now they don't work there.
So really good, responsible people.
The email, if you would happen to be emailing, say somebody in the department of education right now, asking them a question about, you know, will student loan forgiveness ever start back up again or something like that.
So typically get an email saying, sorry, I'm due to the government shutdown right now, I am not able to respond to emails.
However, once the government is back up and running, I will gladly get back to things like that, right?
Yeah.
Just a cordial friendly standard out of office message.
Yes, out of office message.
And according to the news, the department of ed people put a very simple, I'm not here, I'll get back to you as soon as I get back to work.
Low and behold, some of them found out that the message that they put in to be, you know, automatically generated when somebody sends them an email, the automatically generated email, somebody changed it.
No, wait a minute.
Well, I guess we'll see when you say what it says, right?
I don't know.
And now the emails that are coming out of the department of ed are saying the Democrats, those lefty, you know, crazy people shut down the government.
And I can't answer the email now, things like that.
So in other words, incredibly partisan emails that blame the Democrats for the shutdown.
And I know somebody's out there going, well, what's their fault? And that's just the way that he, okay, there's a problem.
There's a law that forbid laws.
There, there used to be, there still is the law.
Now, whether we, you know, in fact, there's some good comments in this story.
But you're not allowed to do that.
That hack into somebody's email and change their message. That's a whole problem.
But the reality of putting out a partisan statement as a federal employee using federally, that would mean taxpayer funded technology, the wires, all those things.
For use, there's a law that says they're not allowed to do things like that.
And right now you've got a bunch or, you know, a group of federal employees right now, whose doctorate emails look like they sent out partisan emails.
Will they now be in trouble for their emails being hacked?
And somebody else writing emails for them.
Will this be something that they will get in trouble for?
Well, Tim, you might think, well, just change it back.
There's this crazy thing that happened. It says, hey, sorry, I can't help you right now.
The Democrats hate America.
Oh, well, just, just change it back if you notice it.
Here's the problem, Tim, and this is we're getting this from NBC News.
I'll just quote from the article, one person reported changing the out of office message back to their normal nonpartisan version.
Only to have it revert to the crazy anti-democrat version.
And they said this, none of us consented to this.
And it's written in the first person as if I'm the one conveying this message.
I'm not, I don't agree with it.
And I don't think that it's ethical or legal.
It violates the hatch act.
And that's exactly what you're talking about, Tim.
The law that says you can't use government functions to support biased political purposes.
And again, like we said, the law do people still believe in things like that in 2025.
But it's on the books, folks.
Okay, but so Jacob on this one, though, this is the.
Okay, so.
The email sender.
Did they break the law and violate the hatch act or did the.
Hacking into the emails of people and posting messages that they didn't send.
Isn't that another breaking of some kind of law?
Well, I would say that the person violating the hatch act is the one who's manipulating the system to force these messages to come out.
You know, you're tricking people into being unwitting mules for carrying your weird political message across through the government.
So I don't think you can blame those guys.
It has to be the people who are behind this whole thing.
Well, and so that's what I'm asking.
And you don't need encyclopedia Brown to find out who is behind this whole thing, by the way.
I'm going to say, you know, guess what?
And, and geez, I wonder whose idea or what it where this came from.
Well, we pointed out the beginning of, you know, the episode here.
Yeah, you know, hey, if it fits what I'm doing, I'm going to do it.
Those laws, they're just suggestions.
You know, hey, but, you know, more education news.
Lots to go on, but hey, if you're going to hack an email, you know who to do it for.
Busted pencils.
We'll be right back.
Oh, man, we are truly back for real.
Busted pencils fully-led at education talk educated educators talking education.
And yes, the jockter.
The jockter is back.
He brought the jockter Johnny Lupinachi.
Oh, yeah, there he is, man.
We are so glad you are back, Johnny.
We figured that you were Jacob put forth that since it was a, you know, a faculty senate meeting that maybe you were, you know, using the time and, uh,
Jacob, what was that political term you?
I use fancy words sometimes.
I'm sorry, filibustering.
I thought you might be filibustering up there at the senate.
No.
No, there's a lot of, uh, you know, a faculty governance on campuses for our higher ed listeners, you know, the routine.
But lots of constituency concerns these days, which is at the end of every faculty senate meeting agenda.
And unlike our government shutdown.
Our faculty governance does not seem to be shut down, which I was like, hey, since the governance is shut down.
Does that mean no faculty senate meeting this week?
No.
Well, Johnny, I'm, I'm wondering then if this came up in the faculty senate here, because, um,
you know, we're, we're, we're covering the education news that is breaking right now.
And, um, you know, Johnny, when, when it comes time for, you know, universities to, um, you know, get money.
There typically has been a process, you know, by writing grants, you know, doing scholarship, looking deeply,
and putting a lot of effort into committing to that, that whole idea of getting knowledge transferred and, you know, you, you do lots of revisions, you do, you know, you get it, you send it to a government agency, it comes back with ideas, you, you know, it's a process of, of real merit.
Did you guys come up, did, did you get to discuss the new way to get federal money?
No.
What's the new way? What's, fill me in.
The new way is to say, yes, sir.
Uh, and, and this is the, the breaking news today. Yes, sir. Trump asks nine colleges to commit to his political agenda to get favorable access to federal money.
Yeah. So I didn't know if you were one of those nine colleges that definitely not, but let's see, uh, I gotta take a look at this.
Tim, I started a semi legitimate correspondence program that I've been offering people. So maybe I can get in on this, you know, it's sort of a Trump stakes level operation. So you should be fine with it.
Well, it just says, yeah, and this one here, I'm looking at this is out of Virginia, but this is an, this is an AP story.
Um, it is the White House is asking nine major universities to commit to President Donald Trump's political priorities in exchange for more favorable access to federal money, called the compact for academic excellence in higher education.
It has the universities to accept the government's definition of gender and applied to campus bathrooms, locker rooms and women sports teams that ask colleges to stop using race gender and a wide range of student demographics in the admissions process and require students to take their darn SATs, Johnny.
And with that, you get yourself some mula.
Tim, where did you send me this article today?
I, I, I didn't, Johnny, but let me, yeah, this is catching me off guard and I'm curious of more.
If it makes you feel better, he didn't send it to me either. So I'm also just listening to Tim. He's just, yeah.
Hey, because I want to dig into what there it is right there in the chat for you.
You academics always needing to see the actual information. It's ridiculous.
Sometimes you got to look at, we, you know, this is not his throw in a sarcasm bomb at you, dude.
No, well, that's what I'm trying to sift through, but also there's a map. There's a lot of misinformation and disinformation. There's also a lot of sometimes stretching.
I had line on the situation and I like to check, I like to get my information and check its sources and really dig in to understand.
So this one's catching me off guard. So I don't have any comment and I'm thinking, you know, I'm, I mean, not a lot of universities are going to be too hip to this and it has very little to do with Trump.
You know, I know like, I know like raging liberals want it to be all about Trump.
And, and it's a Trump administration, but it's just governmental overreach. And if you, if you're a researcher, you're, you're working within, you know, commitment to what we would call scientific consensus.
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, you, you are so bound up in the old way of doing things. In fact, Texas in Austin University of Texas, they are honored that they get to be part of this compact.
However, dissent from California governor Newsom said that if any university sign on to this compact, he's going to cut them out of state funding for, for grants, which would be up to $2.8 billion of student financial aid.
Wow. This sounds like it sucks to him to be a university in this situation where you're, now you're just really right in the middle of this big cultural or political thing.
It's, it's, and it's a good example to him here of a historical overreach of, of federal government on education education is a state, right?
But here we go with the idea that if you want some money, it's like a daddy war bucks thing. If you want some money, do these things we want you to do.
And so yeah, I'm catching up a little slow here long day, but it's, it's definitely governmental overreach in my opinion and indicative of this whole like federal government says and Tim, like you said, expect people to be like, we want the money.
We'll say yes.
Oh man, thank God Johnny's back. And man, we got more news stories coming up. When we get back, it's busted pencils fully led it. See you in a second.
Yeah, it's busted pencils fully, let it education duck educated educators talking education.
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Beautiful Saturday. I'm sure fall October day. Maybe you're out, you know, walking with your headphones, taking a stroll in nature in the woods. We appreciate you being here. And yeah, if you're downloading and listening when it fits you, thank you.
Also, it is Tim Johnny and Jacob. We've had great guests for the past few Saturdays, but, you know, listeners said, hey, we want to hear Tim Johnny and Jacob kind of just telling us what's going on, what's happening in the world, doing a little bit of that kind of free, free flow thinking, you know, letting Johnny have the basketball and doing all those kind of, you know, behind the back dribbles.
Running up to the bat, you know, free, free flow and Jake, Johnny or break dancing, maybe I don't know.
Johnny, the big news story here, Democrats, you know, and we have been very critical of Democrats going into on their education reform.
We've said that Democrats have always been on the wrong side, particularly with public education. And I saw this news story went, oh, my God, somebody's finally got it.
Ram manual has stated that Democrats have, we've lost a lot of elections because of the position we've held on education. And if you look at this Fox news story, he thinks that Democrats need to go back to the fundamentals and the basics, and I'm paraphrasing a quote that he had in there, but, um,
Democrats have spent too much time pointing out that we need to correctly use the right pronouns for people when students don't even know what a pronoun is.
And Johnny, what he's saying is we got to get back to education reform, holding kids and teachers accountable for the things that matter, math and reading.
And this is going to be the Democratic strategy to win back. I don't know what, Johnny, and I'm looking at this and Jacob and going, really, what got us in this mess was the reform movement that Rama manual was trying to bring back from the dead, which is really test and punish standards.
Um, teachers, you've got no say all of the things of which parents, teachers that created the teacher Exodus, it was a horrendous time.
And manual thinks this is the way back for the Democrats is to get back to the stuff that everybody hated. Johnny Jacob.
Well, Tim, wow, that's a lot of stuff from free flow in passing the ball to reform break dancing. Yeah, I was, I was keeping up.
And then, you know, this news story, I'm just going to point it out, you know, it happened outside of Fox News, but it's, you know, can contextual here anything from Fox News, we're going to basically take in context.
Tim, I'm not sure that that is back from the dead. I'm not sure ever died.
The high stakes testing regiment and the idea of funding directly tied to, you know, this notion of, you know, test scores, reading math, reading math, reading math.
If you go into, you know, most of our elementary schools, it's predominantly reading math, reading math, little bit of science, maybe some social days, reading math, reading math, reading math.
But Tim, I think, you know, I think it's very well in a live.
And this is one of those political dog whistles.
I'm not surprised that it's championed here in the front of Fox News, but, you know, Rama is just saying like he's attacking scientific consensus on gender identities.
Right. I'm not trying. And I don't do the whole liberal versus conservative thing. That's, that's all irrelevant to this. This is scientific consensus, like what we know about gender identity.
It's a dog whistle for the conservatives and our government or champion in these ideas for political support. I'm going to attack pronouns.
And then I'm going to say in the same, in the same news interview, I'm going to attack not only the idea of people having different identities, you know, that which we know science has proven to us that this exists.
So it's not like, hey, some woke liberals made this up a whole lot of people in our communities have different genders than just male or female.
You might be driving like, what? What the world? What is moving on she talking about?
But, you know, I, I get it. I've been there when I'm like, I don't understand, you know, it's socially gender is socially construct OK, I get all that. But, you know, science is pretty cut and dry. Well, actually, you know, we had a great show with Ethan Siegel way back in the day. It was maybe a year or so ago.
Where he wrote about the, you know, the scientific evidence, the mounting scientific consensus. That means like the majority of different scientists around the world are saying, and I'm going to summarize.
Hey, there's more to gender than the doctor that looks at your parts when you're born.
That this is the rather rudimentary way of assigning gender. And it's far more complex than we have reduced it to which I'm going to come full circle around you here when we reduce things to twos.
And we create this either or or we have a two party system. You leave yourself extremely vulnerable for immovable disagreement.
Because it becomes one versus the other. Right, we have this habit of being fixed and stuck in it's this or it's that one or the other.
And when we get into that kind of mode, or, you know, I'll say it when our government is a two party system entrenched in its political ideas and opposed to one another more often than interested in supporting democracy and following, like say,
scientific consensus or, you know, civic literacies like, hey, what are the basics of democracy? And how do we support that? Even when we disagree with one another, we leave ourselves extremely vulnerable, like Jacob said, for what we know and have been calling and news and in this moment, a cultural war.
Right, we don't have like four or five or six or seven different competing perspectives on this. And so this is all that it's a put down to kids, the specific article.
The kids not only are spending too much time learning about different pronouns, they don't even know what a pronoun is, you call you like you're attacking identities and you're attacking the intelligence of young people. Right.
And implicitly, their teachers.
But you know, this though again, scientific consensus, but in yes, I agree with you actually that that is still the way of the world testing and standards and things like that, we know, however I would point out that it's not very popular.
Jennifer Berkshire, who has done incredible historical research on the education reform movement and what it has produced and it has produced a real kind of either ambivalence or even a push for for students and parents to say we've had enough and now this whole why is quote privatizing becoming popular is well, you know, to get you out of these schools.
We were on the manual railing and saying we need more of what isn't working currently, I'll give you that.
And in fact, he goes on to the next thing of which we have had very deep discussions about saying, you know, science of reading, we have to put this in, you're talking back to science.
You know, our favorite guest, Dr. Nancy Carlson page, Matt Damon's mom, come on and point out that, you know, this whole quote science of reading thing isn't science, it in and of itself is a politically motivated way to stop multiple ways of allowing kids to learn how to read and allowing teachers to learn how to read.
Is it really a good, I'm going to put it this way, is it a good strategy to impose on the Democrats that they double down on crap.
Well, Tim, it's snake oil sales, this art like this interview this article, let's call for what it is, it's an it's an ad for political support and for purchasing if we trace the money, I haven't done the research on this, but if you back the money up to that high sticks testing standards era that I claim we're still very heavily in it.
It's hey science of reading one isn't science, but it's just a marketing name it's like if I call you know my telephone it's it's a communication box right or whatever it's a giving a name to a product science of reading is like the name it's a marketing brand.
So he says a tax students knowledge like how well students are doing says if you believe these things it's a dog whistle call call in the people if you feel like this.
About you you're tired of pronouns and you think kids should be learning a specific way by my product now it might not be his direct product, but it's a group of people right who have all all times worked to maintain.
The use of education as one us a place to make money so it and to to maintain social class, I know I sound like conspiracy theorists and that like like like these people want to keep poor kids poor, but the idea here being is the reason why we have the pushback against the high stakes testing.
Because within a fraction of a 10th of it like the my long day my math terms are all over the place, but there's researchers who could predict the kids ACT and SAT score within a 10th point right right based on your socioeconomic status and we are we still haven't addressed that fully.
These attempts to say hey these because of the inequality in our communities these tests further exacerbate and don't necessarily show understanding they just sort people so the idea being many many universities many places have said well there's compelling evidence here.
So you look at you know candidates applicants differently right find a better measure of your success and knowledge base well also guess what those tests belong to a test company administered and does this harmful sorting and we pay for it as individuals you pay to take these tests so again just deciphering the code with what I love to do with news headlines especially.
And the politically a responsible ones like Fox News or there's I'm sure liberal versions of the same thing right it's all all guilty parties sometimes you just got to sift through and call out what it is it's attacking diverse people it's attacking the science not the science of reading brand the actual practice of science.
And gender like medical research right attacking that and then says if you want to attack that with me like that's your that's what rouse you up well let's also kick a kid while they're down because they're stupid and don't know pronouns and in fact why they even learn it about pronouns oh just ignore the fact that science is really proven to us that there are diverse gender identities okay so let's look if you're with me by my product.
But it's also it's and so if you like the way Republicans have made things elect me as a Democrat because I'm now going to stand for the things that the Republicans have put in place I see this as a political strategy of going.
Did he really even have any consultants that he paid to actually come up with this winning strategy for the Democrats Democrats if you're out there listening tell Rama manual enough pay but you haven't had enough of us will be right back.
And I always love that coming back yes Tim Johnny Jacob Austin pencils fully landed education talk and we almost had him in here chunk the fattest bear.
We couldn't get him on though he is right now fully booked up Jacob you tried.
Yeah apologies to chunk the bear we're going to try to get you on next week we ran out of time.
Yeah up next when we when we come back chunk the bear when we come back we were trying to get chunked the bear on fattest bear with a broken jaw anyway Johnny here's.
He won fattest bear right despite that he had a broken jaw presumably he got in a fight with other bears but people were very concerned about his ability to you know feast on the lavish.
Sam in and all the different you know fruits of the part.
Johnny brought this article and we said you want to talk about chunk bear he said no we don't have to talk about it but look he wants to talk about.
I mean bear so made it up and I love chunk the bear I think it's a great story but bears prepare for hibernation by eating a lot fattening up and you know in Alaska.
Geography lesson here that fat bear contest in fat bear week because it's getting close to that time of year where yeah man like hey if you haven't fattened up it's going to be a rough hibernation so you know they do a contest and they do.
By a landslide of voting right the people spoke and chunk 32.
Yeah man he won fattest bear contest fat bear week so champion this week.
I wonder if there's a counter contest of the salmon that get past the fattest bear if we should hold that salmon up as being a champion himself for avoiding being coming part of fat bear.
I know very little about salmon I should know more I wish I knew way more about them because they're very interesting to me.
But Tim don't they go upstream to the other that's whether they're headed on your way that's what you win you made it you were not eating so you spawn and die.
You get to become part of the fertilization of the actually Johnny again educationally that whole process of of swimming upstream and dying is also an incredible part of the healthy ecosystem of the streams because.
Exactly the decomposition of those fish actually put nutrients back into the stream is a whole man whole science listen here which makes it very short then Johnny do you want to go to the Harvard school of carpentry.
Yes it seems like you may have that opportunity because last news will cover real quickly but Harvard it seems is going to be committing 500 million dollars to create a round of or a set of trade schools and this is also the president trump will give them back.
All of the money he's been holding up for them and this is a deal that was announced coming out of inside higher education Linda McMahon and the president we're having a press conference and as the president pointed out the paper it may have been papered already at this point whatever papered means.
It may have been papered if they have been papered and if you want to know what would be going on in these trade schools Johnny i'm according quote president trump they'll be teaching people how to do AI lots of other things engines lots of things.
Well you know Tim this is interesting I actually really like this article you're bringing here because a while ago we kind of dove into what's going on with this beef with Harvard what's going on with it you know the art you shared your favorite book with me a few years ago I think it's called the art of the deal.
That's me using the sarcasm look at that but but the negotiation tactic here we're still in this let's kind of see if there's not something we can do i'll take this from you i'll sanction you in this way and then we'll see and i'll make some proposals and you make some proposals and let's.
Get all worked up yeah let each other rage regret remorse repair all the whole cycle of dysfunctional relationships and and call it good and that's the art of the deal hey let's go but no you know the beef with Harvard is a real thing with higher ed and it's a negotiation tactic like okay you know and so this is Harvard trying to get some of that money that's frozen up freed right and I think good hey if they're going to you know.
500 million into is that what you said they're investing or free no no no this it yeah to me this actually wouldn't be as kind of twisted as I think it is if they were donating 500 million to support the existing trade schools well we don't really have there like there's like a lack of really good trade schools right by and large so to me this is like unfortunate situation with a really good kind of.
possible outcome yeah but you know what johnny as long as they paper it will be there and now it's time for your moment of sin.
before I became a college professor I was a shipyard worker before I was a writer I was a warehouse worker but whatever I did I was always a member of a labor union.
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