Saturday.
Busted pencils, fully leaded.
Education talk.
Educated educators.
Talking education.
I know, yeah, Saturday, three o'clock.
Civic media people, Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota.
Welcome, all of the new stations that have been added.
Yes, Civic media continues to grow, not like a fungus, but a, well, fungi, fungals.
just an awesome place to be.
Johnny Lupinacci, you're there.
Jacob, chairman of the board, me, Dr. Tim Slucker, loving that we're here together to spend one full hour busting pencils.
But Johnny, man, first week back, I know we had some conversations, you know, hey, back to college.
So Johnny's a professor, higher education.
I'm an administrator in higher education this week.
Back to school truly began and I got to spend today actually doing one of my favorite events at any
institution of higher education, move in day, working with all of those freshmen and their parents and their grandparents and their aunts and uncles that show up in the car's pack so that they can't see out any rear view mirror.
And the father who told me today gone, I know she ain't going to get it all in the room, but you know what, I figured let her bring it here so she can get her first lesson on how not to pack.
I was like, there's my man.
Love that.
But Jacob, you know, move in day, Johnny, I said, you know, I've been in four or five higher education institutions, every one of them.
I love participating in that because there's something about the energy and excitement, new parents dropping off their kids, kids being all excited and looking at the.
I'm going to use a word now that we're not allowed to use anymore.
The diversity of students, parents, and families that show up on a campus to begin that journey in higher education, that in and of itself is a celebration to see how many different types of kids, families, grandparents, uncles, friends show up.
I don't know.
I'm excited.
I know we got a show with a great guest, but I just wanted to kind of feed off of that first to say back to school, higher education, move in days if you're out there.
And parents, you know, that one parent out there, I know you're listening.
I'm sorry, I made you park over at the baseball field and walk back 20 minutes.
But
hey,
It was a good day, and I found you a shuttle on the way back so that you didn't have to walk back to your car.
Johnny, that's
what's going on in my
world, man.
Well, Tim, I love it, man.
Like I said, it was silly week on campus.
That's syllabus week, you know, first classes.
And we talked about first classes, not right in first class, most certainly, but, you know, attending or running your first class of the semester.
Jacob producer's choices drop yesterday.
If you didn't get a chance to listen to that, you know, go find that podcast.
It's always a delightful episode.
But we talked about, you know, activities that start off class and sort of our memories of those and different styles and angles we take.
So, you know, we're at end of the first week, we're in the throws a hockey tryouts this weekend.
And, you know, it's going things are moving.
You know, it's it's officially almost fall.
Hey, you know, if you're not back in school yet and you're listening, soak every last bit out of those last days of summers.
And if you started up, enjoy that good weather, uh, because it'll be around for a little bit longer, but you know, we won't call it fall yet, but it's, we're creeping up on it.
And, and Tim, you know, this is a great one because it's Saturday.
You know, we're hanging out.
We're chilling listener.
You're out there busting pencils with us and we got a guest.
So let's.
stop the jibber jabber between me and you because we could do this for a whole hour.
Let's get to our guests and let's dive in, man.
Yeah, well, you know, I mean, say, you know, we busted pencils, you know, try to make sure that we have guests, a diversity of guests that show up.
And, you know, as people know, they might refer to me as Oh, yeah, Tim's the social media stalker who gets the busted pencils guests.
Well, kind of like that.
You know, I feel like LinkedIn isn't like real social media.
It's kind of like the social media for grownups and came across this guest on LinkedIn.
Saul coming out with a brand new podcast.
Lots of work in the past.
I said, Jacob, you got to reach out to this guest to see.
I've got a brand new podcast.
We want to get him on.
So Jacob, thanks for connecting.
But our guest today, he's a ground up.
not ground up, but a ground up thinker, veteran host, education tech skewerer.
He spent years mapping how students and systems collide from Ed Surge to the Neiman Fellowship, turning a layered reporting into Searing Podcast.
Now he's got the new podcast, Learning Curve, venturing into the mess.
of AI and Education.
Welcome to Busted Pencils.
Jeffery Young.
Jeff, how are you doing, our friend?
Hey, thanks, Tim.
Thanks to all of you for having me.
Matt, you've been at this a while, kind of trying to make sense of what this, yeah, this education world.
I mean, you know, Johnny and I, we're like teachers acting like radio hosts, podcast hosts, journalists, you know, trying to get it out there.
But you're like the real deal, man.
You know, true journalists, investigating everything going on in education.
going to spend some time talking particularly about the new podcast learning curve.
But I mean, what got you into the kind of like the beat of education?
It's yeah, no, it's it's one of those things that yeah, you can see the those watching can see the white in my beard.
And I've been I started out as a journalist and read out of college when the internet was new.
And so it's
I think that goes to the topic of the day, because it was a different time.
But it was also a big groundbreaking.
The tech is changing the world, like society, what's going to get jobs, like all things.
And it was exciting.
I wanted to be a journalist.
I was working at the student newspaper.
And I really wanted to write about technology and see what was going on with tech and society.
And so it turns out I ended up getting an internship at the Chronicle of Higher Education.
And I honestly didn't even know when I was learning what that was as a college student.
It wasn't something I was super familiar with.
But it was such a great place to cover technology because colleges were where it was at.
It's a different world now.
It feels like today it's the companies that are leading the AI drive.
absolutely and the colleges are playing catch up but it back then it was it was really the opposite.
Like if you think of like where did Google come from?
Stanford students like while they were in Stanford so and you know you just saw that again and again but you know whether it's Zuckerberg or Facebook later but the colleges were the place to go if you wanted early access to these cool new technologies and the the professors and the students were writing about them at the Chronicle
it just turned out to be incredibly like so many opportunities to talk to people and I just got hooked on covering education along the way because I mean
It's easy, you know, you're journalists, I love new ideas, I love like exploring something new and chasing the next story.
And I think some people have asked me like, don't you get bored of covering the same thing?
But I think education and technology both, they change so much.
And they change in really interesting ways that affect society and like everybody, whether you're in it or not.
And so I think it just that combination has just been really like just kept me.
Well, yeah, Johnny, right?
We, we point this out all the time.
It's like people are like, you guys have a podcast on education.
Like, what do you guys talk about?
You know, like bulletin boards and, you know, lesson plans at some point, you know, like, like, do you understand that education, what's happening in the world?
If you want to, you know, education, the policy decisions, the neighborhood decisions, the international impact, it's like, you know,
Education, we've got it all, and we're a little bit biased, but sorry, but education, particularly public education, which is where Busted Pencils focuses on.
It's the foundation of democracy, and sorry, there's nothing more important than that, but Johnny, I pontificate a little bit.
You take it away, my friend.
Well, no, I love that, and it's exciting to have you here, Jeff.
Thanks for what you do, first of all, and one of the most exciting things.
I talk to young people all the time about
you know, the changes in our careers over time, the things we see shift and move and change.
And, you know, I'm, I'm with so many young journalists and communications majors.
And just to see, you know, writers and writing change and content change over these years.
And to see that, you know, I, I was reminded just like I tell future teachers, it's one of the most exciting times in the world to be a teacher.
It's also
One of the most exciting and I think it's like one of those nodal moments to be a journalist.
I mean, it's really, you know, shifted and changed and much like teachers.
I think journalists are in the, you know, in the crossfires of like this vast sea of what's fact and what's information and where we learn and how we communicate.
So I would say like listener out there, you probably either might be like, where's he going with this?
Or what's he talking about?
Or your vibe and with me and you're not in your head.
There's a kind of a convergence here in society, especially in North America right now and in our country and in our states, around school teachers and journalists.
They're at this intersection of where we learn about things and share that information with each other to make decisions and making decisions together.
is what we do as Democratic citizens, not Democrats or Republicans, both of them, like Democratic citizens, citizens in a democracy.
We apply the best information we can get to decision making, and we rely a lot on our teachers, and we rely a lot on journalists.
And I think teachers and journalists get sort of a reputation out there.
especially in this political climate we're in, and especially in this technological moment we're in.
So I'm excited to have you here, Jeff.
I just wanted to, that's my long-winded way to say thank you for being who you are and doing what you do.
But I'm excited also to talk about, you said, you've been doing this since the internet was new, which I was like, ooh, me too.
That was like, I remember getting an email address.
We're old, fellas, we're old.
But the whole of idea is like, I think we're at another moment like that, right?
With AI and with all this kind of convergence on technologies, and it's transforming career pathways and what we do and how we understand information.
So excited to have you here, Jeff, to talk about these things and more.
Tim, I'll let you take us to break.
We're getting close to it, but
what
a
Saturday, but you know, Jeff, just thinking about a little time.
I mean, Internet to AI.
I mean, that's the space we're covering.
Have you thought about it like that as you put together a learning curve?
Yeah, I mean, it is one of these.
It feels like this is the reference point that comes back again and again of like the internet being new, how it did change things.
I think there are some differences, which we can talk about, but it seemed fast with the internet, but now it's fast.
There you go.
Buckle it up everybody.
Yeah, it's busted pencils, you know, fully leaded education talk.
We've got our guest, Jeff Young.
He's got a great new podcast learning curve, the learning curve.
We're going to talk a lot about that.
Get to dig in AI and education, but internet to AI.
I'm going to kind of reflect on that.
Busted pencils.
We'll be right back.
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Fully-ledded education talk.
Educated educators talking education.
Dr. Tim Slecker, that's me.
Dr. Johnny Lupinagi and Jacob Chairman of the Board, our guest Jeff Young, brand new podcast, launched literally August 19th.
First episode, pretty sure I'll have Jeff fact-checked me called Learning Curve.
But Jeff has been at this edgy journalism podcasting audio stuff since the beginning, way back when, when we first had internet.
And Johnny, I like the way you said, I got my first email address.
I'm going to tell you what my first email address was, Tim Slucker at Siberia.
It was a small little internet provider company in York, Pennsylvania called Siberia, going off of the Cyborg and the Cyber.
So Tim Slicker at Siberia.com.
Hey, if that's things, still receive an email, I guess you can send away because I don't have access to it anymore.
Jeff, but internet to AI.
I want to kind of give you this question because I kind of see this as when people kind of get the change of what it means from internet to AI, because I remember talking early on when, you know, was it 2022 with the first chat when it came out, you know, and within the six months or so, things started changing and people were like, well, I mean, come on, it's no different than Google.
And I was just like, I don't think you get it because I think it's really different than Google.
And so to me, that's kind of like the difference of the internet was Google.
AI is something different.
I was wondering, you know, does that make sense to you?
Am I, you know, where I'm kind of going with that?
Well, when you say chat, what exactly?
I mean, just
the large language models as they
finally
broke out, you know, actually, I'll point my wife, you know, and she wouldn't say this now, but she's like, oh, so it's kind of like an advanced Google.
I was like,
no, no, honey, it's not an advanced Google.
It's it's ontologically different.
Yeah, no.
So in other words, like how to
how to really kind of differentiate it.
I think there is, there's a lot of ways that it's different, right?
I think, I think on your show, you even recently said how like the language model is just this predictive algorithm.
It's kind of this, it's just guessing the next word or part of the word or, you know, it's, it's in some ways it could be like a simple parlor trick, but at scale, it becomes something very different because it, it's been trained on.
all the stuff we've all been typing and and like all the the internet's many different formats that are out there on the free open web and now that's been ingested and put into a way that no human mind could ever you know parse or or know all of but this algorithm can do these predictive matching that that turns out to to feel very different um than you might think when you just
Here like it's just gonna guess the next word in this that people would likely type if they had a sequence so I think I do think the the trick is I think we're still figuring out what that means and how how different how the Applications can really be and I actually do remember a little bit about the early internet where we weren't quite sure what to do with it
I mean, there were a lot of early things that didn't work or that were jokes, like early.com boom.
There was like pets.com, which was like, it got so much investment.
It's not that it was just too early, like to be this online commerce when people weren't ready.
The whole infrastructure wasn't there to do all the things that you needed like returns and whatever.
And just to focus on pets, you know, there were so many things that it was like kind of the right idea.
But what.
And there were different parts that nobody knew what the parts of the idea would end up being the thing.
And I feel like we're a little bit there because nobody, I feel like people don't really know how much these hallucinations and the mistakes that large language models make, how much that's something that can kind of be worked through and minimized, or if that's such a flaw that the applications will be limited in some ways, or that they will take a certain amount of work no matter how much.
billions report into making them.
And I don't know if you guys haven't thought on that, but it feels like there's just some of these pretty fundamental questions that are unknown today here, you know, in the fall of 2025.
I'm
thinking of that, and, Johnny, I'm going to hog the mic because I was thinking about it.
It's like, Internet was kind of like a search.
go out and find stuff.
It's like, yeah, if I find pets.com, you know, or, you know, all of the search engines to at the time, ask Jeeves, right?
It was just, it was always some, some kind of like, you know, platform to go out and find everything that's out there, right?
Well, the large language model, it's not a search engine.
I had a student a couple years ago say,
To me, they made the switch.
They went, oh my god, this isn't Google.
This is an assistant.
I have, and I know the anthropomorphized it a little bit, but they really got into that position of saying, it's like, it's not just, I want to know, go, oh, good, now I know, when you really start to, and I think still, you know,
Amateur units, there's are still kind of one way.
It's like a one-way direction.
AI is a multi-directional conversation that could be sometimes hallucinated, could sometimes jump into really incredible fact.
In other words, it's kind of like talking to a bunch of crazy drunk fraternity brothers on one some night.
And how do you get the most out of it?
You have to have a conversation with it, not simply ask it a question, and then feel satisfied or unsatisfied.
Moving that.
Okay.
Not from Tim.
When we get back, though, learning curve, first guess what's happening on that show.
Busted pencils, fully leaded.
Jeff Young, our guest.
Man, we'll be right back.
Uh, there it is.
Yeah.
Holy crap.
It's not almost over.
Halfway over.
Busted pencils, fully leaded.
Education talk.
Educated educators talking education.
Dr. Johnny Lupinaji, Jacob, chairman of the board, me, Dr. Tim Slecker, and our guest, Jeff Young.
Podcaster, journalist, education.
Since the internet, way back when, now, Brian...
new podcast, learning curve, talking about education and AI.
And yeah, Jeff, you know, we've been, you know, kind of having fun talking philosophy or different, you know, things like that.
But, you know, I got to listen to your first episode.
Great guests, great interview.
What was it, though, that kind of led you to say, you know what, you had hosted the Ed Surge podcast for like seven years.
You know, what is the kind of pivot to learning curve in AI?
Like, help the listener understand what's going on, a little bit of history or motivation behind learning curve.
Yeah, well, I mean I like like you said I've been covering the intersection of technology and education for a long time But the more I've done that the more I think the bigger
questions are the most interesting and instead of just talk about the technology it's like where are the big changes happening and and what are the kind of like ways people are thinking about it the narratives if you will and just going back to the last like a minute ago when you're talking about like it's like an assistant I think it's a question for me like is AI like an assistant let's like or is it is it can it be a tutor can it be like a tutor can it be is it best to think of it like
you know, a co-pilot, right?
These are all the various metaphors that are out there.
And I think it matters the way we end up thinking about it.
And I think the we as people end up coming to like, we're at this moment of debate, if you will.
as a society, both yes, the tool companies are going to decide which things they come out with, but let's face it, if they don't come up with something that's compelling, people won't use it.
The metaverse is not taken off despite a lot of investment, other things that 3D TVs are not in all of our houses.
There have been things that have been pushed, but what are people going to find that really resonates with them?
How is it really going to help people be more productive, people be more fulfilled?
And I hope that there's a way that we can, and in education, I think it's a very critical moment because there's a lot of changes very fast.
There's a lot of anxiety.
There's a lot of disruption in the greater world.
And now with this, on top of it, people are worried about, can, how can you tell if students know what they know?
And that's a very valid question in the state of agent.
So, but could it spark a change in teaching that makes teaching better?
and levels up people and so I think I am somebody who I think I have my unique my hope is that I can add something to this conversation at this moment.
I feel like AI is the story so that's why that's why I decided I really wanted to focus on AI and education this like what does it mean to teach and learn in the age of AI like in this moment when all these people are
you know, a lot of hopes and dreams and money and all the things that journalists like to chase and understand.
But I'm not somebody who's either for it.
I know you've had a lot of people on the show that are kind of skeptical, very skeptical, and y'all are celebrating a lot of great uses of AI, which so having, I think, being able to go out and find some really interesting projects and ideas and thinkers in this space that are out there on the leading edge and like
get them engaged in it to be, challenge each side to think a little, like the pro people to really step back and be like, well, let's make sure we're listening to people who are worried about this really impacting negatively student.
How can we add guardrails?
And the same time, how can we, I hear a lot of concern that if AI is not used enough, then that won't serve students well.
And so it's a really interesting moment.
And I think,
I think it's easy in our media age to get filtered into one group or the other.
And by trying to surface both ideas together, that's the one of the main, you know, every episode may not have both, but to over time to really explore both.
Johnny Lupinacci.
Yeah, I love that.
You know, Jeff, you hit the nail on the head with that.
We like to, we like to, you know, pick a side.
it's sort of like it's a cultural habit we bring into our show.
It's like, you know, Tim's Tim's a regular parishioner, maybe even a leader in the church of AI.
And, you know, I'm a naysayer, even though that's not really true of either of us.
We kind of we kind of converge on exactly what you said, Jeff, like, how are we using this?
This is a part of all of our lives, especially when we're talking about education, whether you're a teacher, or you're a student, or you're a parent out there, you know, with, you know,
students in classrooms.
And that's the whole point is that you have this technology that's now part of nearly everything we do.
And like you referenced earlier, Jeff, at mock speed, very fast.
It came into, you know, boom, it's in our classrooms.
Now it's in everything.
It's on all of our devices.
It's, you know, it's a part of our lives.
So ready or not?
Yeah, ready or not.
So, you know, in the spirit of democracy, which is sifted through the massive everyday life together to make decisions in the interest of the common good.
I love what you're doing, hosting a podcast, having conversations that have, you know, a journalistic flair to them as well, reporting out on this idea like, Hey, how is AI part of education?
What are the ways that it's being used?
And so what are those guardrails?
What are those great successes?
What are those epic failures?
Where does it get messy?
How do we talk about it?
Have a dialogue, right?
So that we can better understand this part of our everyday life.
I love it, man.
That's huge.
It's in the spirit of democracy.
But, you know, I think conversations are underrated.
They're how we get there, whether you're a listener, like out there listening to us three have this conversation.
whether you're talking about this later on, you know, tonight or tomorrow with your friends, families, neighbors, you know, it's those conversations where we have aha moments, right, where we learn together to better understand the world we're in.
So I'm a big fan of that.
I like to say, man, I'm, I'm against the AI.
Just because, you know, yeah, in my world, you either forward or against it, they say only sits speak in absolutes.
Well, I guess I'm, you know, I'm
come sit over here because I'm like, I'm never using AI, but that's not true at all.
Right.
I, it's just for, you know, a little bit of calm comedic flair, because realistically, Jeff, you're right.
This is the intersection right now.
It's a huge one.
And you know, it's not replacing teachers.
It's not diminishing learning.
It's not all a pile of negatives.
It's also not a silver bullet.
Right.
So it's not this miracle cure.
It's new technology that I will say, I'll wholeheartedly put my stamp on this.
It's changing how we do things.
And anytime we're changing how we do things, I think it's really important over my time of being an educator to take a deep breath.
And as our friends and educators amplified, another podcast group would say, be regulated, right?
Know where I stand on things by taking in information.
Right.
And applying it to the situations that we're all in.
So Jeff, I'm excited about learning curve.
You know, I'll be listening, you know, Tim will be listening, you know, but tell us a little bit more about kind of for you all and for you right now.
And it's like, you know, it's baby stages of this new podcast, but you've been at this for a minute.
Like tell us a little bit about some of the intersection of AI and education that you're excited about.
No, thanks.
Yeah, I think that there are some explorations and questions that I'm really going to try to tackle in this season and just kind of, you know, that's a lot of the episodes end up being about a question.
The next next episode that's going to drop soon is on a professor, a former, sorry, former president of a university who is now working on creating, like going to the question of like, how do you read, if you redesign teaching with AI in mind, what would it look
like?
but I'm also reaching out to a long time teaching expert to kind of comment on the vision that he put out there in the form of this like kind of crazy sci-fi video that he made and put out there.
So there's a there's something at the middle that we can talk about and have a and just I think the story of what he's doing is interesting.
The reaction is interesting.
It really does make you kind of start to think about like what if we did start from scratch or are we not ready?
to really go as far as this or do we really want this future?
And so, you know, the also I'm really interested in student perspectives.
I'm really
interested
in hearing from students, not in a not in a sensationalistic way, not to say they're all cheaters, not to say any one thing about students, because as
y'all
know, there's no I mean, students are there's just every kind of person that we're all we're all learning.
So the question is like,
What are people that are right now, though, facing the situation we're in, which is different professors might have different policies.
What do I do?
Am I going to get kicked out of school for doing something that I didn't do or getting accused of using a bot?
Or is the teacher going to kind of, am I going to use so much of it surreptitiously that I'm not really learning, but I'm having a great time?
I mean, and people, even if they know they're doing that, they might.
Still do it, right?
I mean, we've all done things that weren't the best decision.
So it's like, how do you have it all work out?
How do we create an environment that for the most people anyway, is as good as we can do
it?
I want to first point out that no, I've never made bad decisions in my life.
So I'm not
sure I know
exactly.
But you know, you described it though too.
It's actually
Yes, a student is going to get falsely accused of using AI.
Yes, a student is going to use it to circumvent an even short circuit learning at times.
Yes, professors are going to potentially not actually give AI a full kind of airing in the sense of saying what's really happening to it in a sense of going.
What do they know?
What do teachers know?
Because, you know, again, we only can comment on the depth of how much we actually know about it.
And I think with AI, you know, and this is why I really like your first episode.
I think you had a great guest there.
It's a great kind of description of.
Okay, here's what it is.
Here's what's going on.
Here's a person.
And here's a person kind of helping us understand who and tell us a little bit about that first guest that you had on, you know, got about three minutes left before we're going to get you out of here for the two minutes left.
But yeah,
two.
Okay, well, I talked to a professor of University College London who has this great mix of being about AI and learning.
And so
He was fascinating to me because he wrote a paper called Hybrid Intelligence, where he's trying to figure out what the right metaphor is.
And there's a lot of things that he said, or he's pretty worried that it could deter, that it could give us this atrophy learning for some people if they rely on it too much.
But he also admitted that there's some parts where he thinks it could be very useful.
He was even OK with making a bot version of him to teach a video lesson.
that he doesn't like to teach those so much, like that's not that exciting to him.
So it's just, it's complicated.
And I sort of feel like everybody's got a different thing that they're okay with automating.
And how do we come, how do we square that?
You know, what is, what is, what are we going to agree that is so human?
Humans need to be absolutely in charge of it.
And where can we use these new LLMs and other forms of AI to really enhance things?
Yeah, moving forward.
Just thinking about I love the I love to his concept of hybrid.
It made me think about Ethan Molek and his co intelligence.
Jeff, though, coming up here, where can people go and get your podcast and find out more about you?
Please do subscribe.
It's learning curve FM learning curve FM.
And you can find it wherever you get your podcasts.
There are a lot of things I'll learn and curve, but learning curve Jeff Young, you'll find it.
And I hope you do listen in.
We're excited about what we're coming out
with.
Love it.
That's our guest, Jeff Young, Learning Curve, the podcast.
All of that will be in the show notes.
Everybody can get it.
You know what though?
We'll come back.
Johnny and Tim, we'll break it down.
Bust the pencils.
We'll be right back.
Yeah, one more busted pencils fully leaded education talk educated educators talking education Dr. Johnny Lupin Archie me dr. Tim Slecker Jacob chairman of the board's Great guest Jeff young new podcast learning curves Check it out.
Make sure to all the links to his stuff are gonna be in the show notes for the podcast Johnny, but you know
I like, you know, because you, you know, we dabble, I would say, in the AI kind of world and like to have fun with it and stuff like that.
I'm really looking forward to Jeff's podcast because I think, you know, he's going to bring more journalistic kind of, what do you want to say, like objectivity, asking deeper kind of questions about it that I'm really looking forward to learning more about,
you know.
Yeah, absolutely.
Tim, like I said before, anytime we're having dialogues, conversations about something happening in all of our lives, we're going to learn, right?
And that's one of my favorite things is being a learner where learners, leading learners, my favorite phrase for referring to teachers or educators, learners, leading learners, right?
And so, you know, I'm excited to listen to the learning curve.
Because we like to tease being pro or anti-AI.
But in the end, what are we learning about how we're learning?
And AI is part of that.
It's certainly part of, I've talked about it.
It's become part of my teaching.
It's definitely part of my students' learning experience, not just in my class, but as they talk to me about what's happening on campus and in their courses.
You know, I'm excited about, you know, learning from the learning curve because, you know, we, we do have to have these conversations and I, and I, especially as I said earlier in the show, appreciate a journalistic lens.
There's a craft there.
Like we always talk about, you know, historian study history, you know, astrophysicists share astrophysics with us.
And that does a little shout out to our friend, Dr. Ethan Siegel, right?
He was a guest on show.
fairly regularly to help us clarify scientific consensus and things happening out in the science world.
But, you know, there are, you know, particular skills that bring value to our everyday decision making.
And journalists, as I alluded to earlier in the show, they do that.
So excited about the learning curve show.
And Tim, you couldn't be more right, you know, as I'm a weekend of classes.
you know, part of the professional development that all my peers and I were going through together at the beginning of the school year was, you know, how to integrate AI responsibly into our coursework, how to communicate expectations or fair usage of AI tools for students and them, you know, just thinking about all the different ways we're doing engaged learning with our students.
And so, you know, I'm always
eager to hear how other educators are out there navigating these fast changes.
And I love what you said, Tim, bringing that journalistic lens, helping us to better understand, you know, where we are at with this, it's changing, it's changing fast.
And there's no better way to, you know, move through change.
Yeah,
then to do it with good information.
So I love that, man, I love I love what we got going on.
John, I got to give you an example too of kind of also the generational issue here at play.
When it comes to AI, I was at one of those professional developments for new faculty.
And again, new faculty doesn't necessarily mean young.
You know, there's a whole diversity of ages in
our institution's group of new faculty.
Some people fresh out of graduate school, did the whole thing, you know, you know, young, young 30 year old PhD, and some some older people, some quote, first time professors, second career.
And but this new, I'm gonna say, there's, there's the wiggly finger, Johnny, thank you.
We were talking AI and it was about using AI and she's a science professor.
And she came up to me at lunch and she goes, I really appreciate the conversations you were making.
I was like, okay, cool.
Thank you.
She goes, it's kind of weird that people are still asking questions about like, are kids going to use it or should they use it?
She's like,
I kind of see it.
It's like electricity.
I just always use it because I don't understand the debate about whether kids should use it, shouldn't use it.
And that kind of point out going like, uh-oh, we're now getting kind of a generational of like how people have already decided of going like, I just use it.
You old people having debates about when, how, why, if.
We've already moved on and we're just using it so much going on.
Learning curve.
Great guess, Jeff Young.
But you know, Johnny, have we come to the end here?
You know what they always say, or what I always say, now it's time for your moment of zen.
They have the guns.
We have the poets.
Therefore, we win.
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