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Oh, I'm doing well.
I love being able to spend this time with you,
get a little bit of extra extended pencil
busting on the weekends.
Oh, it's my favorite, Dr. Johnny, how you doing?
I don't know, all right.
It's a pause in the school year that we're at.
And so where at that sort of, I wouldn't exactly call it midpoint
because the school year is kind of wonky like that.
But it feels like midpoint through the academic year.
And we're coming up on new years and things like that.
And so just a moment to breathe.
And I got my grading in.
And I'm slowly transitioning.
I always wish I could transition quicker into resting.
But it seems impossible for us blue collar scholars.
Yeah, I got this ingrained into us to just keep grinding.
So I'm trying to switch into rest mode.
But there's just so much going on
and so many great conversations and amazing things
to write about that hopefully we'll slow down
and transition into the new year.
But excited about the conversation today
and always love our Saturdays with our listeners.
So let's get into it, Tim.
Well, you know, we'll get into it.
I've got a special guest.
Had the opportunity and privilege to meet our guest
about in October, right around.
I think it was about October.
Actually, it was Halloween.
I'm pretty positive.
I was at a conference here at a local community college,
Hawking College.
And Johnny, you know, as you point out to the listener,
I'm a cool-aid drinker.
Anything AI, I got to get my hands around it.
And so there was a conference
at Hawking Community College, Artificial Intelligence,
southeast of Ohio, Hawking College,
went down there with my neighbor, the mayor,
and got to see some incredible uses
of artificial intelligence and connections.
And part of those connections got to meet some
of the intel, you know, the higher up the echelon
of the people there.
And got to have some great conversations
and got to spend some time with, you know,
two people we'll be having on there.
But this person, we just connected.
We've had some pre-interviews.
We've spent more time talking, I think,
to the point where it's like we could have recorded
probably about an hour podcast already.
But we got a lot of great stuff.
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But, you know, let's just jump into it.
He, in fact, this guest we've been talking about,
he's a global leader in AI skills development,
educational technology, and workforce transformation
with over 40 years experience in the tech sector.
He recently retired from Intel Corporation
after 24 years where he led groundbreaking initiatives
like Intel's AI for workforce program
and global digital readiness portfolio,
empowering millions with AI skills
and advancing educational technology.
He's worked across 100 plus countries
building partnerships with government, academia,
and industries to address critical societal challenges.
And Intel Achievement Award recipient,
he is dedicated to democratizing technology,
access and fostering innovation.
Welcome to Busted Pencils, Brian Gonzalez.
Welcome, sir.
Thank you, thank you very much, Tim.
Nice to see you, Johnny and Jess.
It's a pleasure and an honor to be here.
I'd like to add that, you know,
as it relates to education,
I am not an expert, but I have been a witness to experts.
And that's, I think, part of the great discussions, Tim,
you and I have had because I,
I'm still in the learning mode about how
some of these technologies can impact education.
So I'm super delighted to have this conversation
and I hope that I can share as much as I know
that I will learn.
So thank you in advance.
Well, we appreciate it.
I mean, so, you know, talking about that
in the big kind of broader discussion,
you know, being at that conference,
as I said, where we met, you know,
Hawking Community College,
Southeastern Ohio, Appalachia, very rural,
and the reality there, though the work they're doing,
and kind of putting forward this broader sense of AI
and I say the president there, Dr. Betty Young,
incredible with her, you know, sense of saying,
like this is a technology that could be really transformative
here in Southeastern Ohio.
And, you know, and this is the part too that I,
because of truly long-term inequities in rural
Southeastern Ohio and seeing the potential there
as an education institution,
how they could be leading this AI worldview
that could be really transformative
for those students in the community that surrounds it.
So I, you know, putting that out there, Brian,
that, you know, that is, that's education, you know,
and you being a part of that and until, you know,
you're there being instrumental in this education
and this whole concept there too of addressing an inequity.
And so, you know, starting right there,
I mean, how do you make sense of this world of technology
and then this world that we're talking about
where there's inequities, because it is something
that I continue to see in your bio
and things that you're writing about,
that it is, you're concerned,
because I can, you know, we've had people
that would probably say, you know, it's a big tech,
they're part of the inequity problem.
So, you know, right, you know, so, so, Brian,
that's a lot for you to chew on to start off.
That's a lot, that's a lot.
Let me, let me try to, to maybe set a framework
of my team's work in the past and my, my passions, right?
I believe that, you know, I've been in the technology industry
like you said many years.
And I've seen a lot of trends come and go.
I've seen a number of technologies come and go.
But what we're seeing now is a fundamental shift and change.
You know, some, you know, and I know in our discussions,
you talked a little bit about this,
is this really a moment in time that is different, right?
Is it a moment in time that is a new era
that's upon us in a cultural shift, if you will?
And I think it is because the technology now has an opportunity
to come and focus on what I need to produce.
We spent a lot of time in the technology sector
about automation and access.
Now it's a focus on outcomes.
And in my view, the new digital divide is not
if you have a device or not, but what can you do with it?
So skills development, democratizing access to skills
is foundational.
So I was not surprised with what I saw at Hawking's.
I was delighted.
And I wasn't surprised because I've seen that the work
that community colleges have been driving,
which is really at the forefront of bringing in skills development
in a very practical way, sensible way
for someone to apply to work is exactly the point
where we are in AI, where we take it out of the laboratories
and into the field where it will not just be a wave
that we ride, but an opportunity for us to shape
a new way of working, a new way of learning
and bring some augment some human capabilities
for us to be able to achieve some important outcomes.
So I'm excited about the opportunity,
but I also feel a sense of urgency
that we need to get out there in the inner city,
in the rural areas and everywhere in between
to make sure that folks have access to these technologies
and the skills needed to drive them.
Johnny.
I mean, I love that, Brian.
Thank you for sharing that and Tim setting it all up.
You know, I love this conversation of the way
that technology works with human culture, right?
And the way that our society's, I mean,
technology develops so quickly, right?
It feels like it's moving so fast
that we often don't have the time
to at a human-scaler speed plan or react to the implementation.
And Brian, I love this because you know,
as an urban math teacher, and I taught him Detroit,
and there was always like a laptop cart that we'd get
or there was technology.
So I love what you said that the divide
that Tim's talking about that we often hear about
is historically and maybe even still a little contemporarily
around getting devices to people.
But I love what you said because you're shifting the conversation
and I'm really here for that as a teacher.
It was like, you're talking about, but the divide is really,
what can you, what can people do with that technology?
Because I would have said, we have computers,
we have tablets, we have, you know, all these things showing up
and there's a closet full of like actual technology,
but we don't have the skills to,
like the skills, the trainings, the people, the use,
the interface, it's like it's showing up faster
than we know what to do with it.
And so this is an exciting conversation
because I love thinking about how we come together.
And Brian, I hear you in here and it'll take us
into probably our next segment here,
but I really love this conversation around,
our visceral reaction to AI, that's why I teased Tim,
we're replacing teachers and we're placing workers
and there's gonna be nothing for anybody to do.
And we always joke about that.
Of course, there's still, you know, great need
for human teachers and for all those things,
but it's changing our work.
And so I'd love for you to speak to a little bit about
like debunking that myth that like AI is here to replace us.
Right, I think that, you know, with any new technology,
that is, let's hold that thought, Brian,
we're gonna get that because we're coming right up
on a break.
You teed him up.
Hey, it's busted pencils.
Our guest is Brian Gonzalez from Intel.
We are talking everything AI, is this the cultural moment?
Ah, we got a lot more to go.
Hold on, we'll be right back.
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We're over now.
We so cease to see us through our days on precious
and so fear we are, we're probably out of control.
But to this sky, no longer blue,
we're bringing up to another world.
Until we're cruel, we're cruel, we're cruel.
But how do we, yeah?
Oh, welcome back to this is busted pencils.
It was fully led to the education talk.
Dr. Donnie Lupinace here with Dr. Tim Slecker, producer,
Jess, and our guest today, Brian Gonzalez.
And Brian, right before the break listeners,
might remember, I teed Brian up for a big question,
but I'm just gonna summarize, he said something
that really stood out to me as an educator,
you know, as a math teacher and Detroit,
I always used to say, oh, more laptops are coming.
You know, we had a closet full of equipment,
but you'd read all the time about the digital divide
and it focused on access to technology.
But Brian said something really profound
in that first segment.
He said, it's not if you have a device,
but what you can do with it.
And light bulbs went off in my head,
especially the teacher.
And so, you know, Brian, can you speak a little bit more
to that?
And then we'll touch back on that second end of the question,
I said, and then that myth that the teachers
are being replaced by more computers, you know,
so we'll get to that shift.
But Brian, if you could elaborate a little bit more on that,
I really think profound way you framed
that access and societal impact that we're at
in this moment with technology.
Yeah, thank you, Johnny, I'll do that.
I think when you look at, you know, as you said, you know,
in your schools, you could count the devices folks had,
was it one to one?
It probably was one to many, but in the end,
and that was an era where having the device
was gonna help you automate things, get you connected.
But we've gone beyond that, you know,
we have probably the greatest generation of consumers.
What we're looking for is the great next generation
of creators that are gonna help develop
and tackle some of these, you know, opportunities
and solutions and problems.
And when you look at that, you really have to look at
what skills do I have?
And are those skills going to be the ones
that technology can help me augment?
There are some skills that we all bring
and educators are helping us always
in terms of our critical thinking, communication,
ability to collaborate, you know,
developing our innate curiosity.
But there are other skills
that could be augmented by the technology.
And for us to be able to understand,
what is it for me to get something done?
And how can I bring the technology to help me?
It's where we are in AI.
And to your latter point, I think that it's not a matter
of AI replacing jobs in some cases,
but helping you refine your skills
and augment your capabilities
because it will reframe how we will do our work
because now we have some tools that will help increase
our output, but in the end, we own that output.
So, you know, you can use generative AI
to help you write something,
but it's really up to me to make sure that you,
the receiver of that information can understand it.
So, the AI, before we were learning about the tools,
now the shift is the tools learning about me.
And what is it that I am trying to do?
So, focusing on critical thinking
and the approach to our work
is actually at this point more important than ever.
You just said something Brian, though, too.
I can hear it right now.
People, you know, it's learning who I am,
it's learning me that kind of, I hear people going,
you know, I'm going to put stuff in there
and it's going to, you know, know me and speak for me
and not, you know, I'm not looking to do that.
In fact, makes me think, you know,
listen, if you're out there, if that's your concern,
you know, worrying that AI starts to learn who you are.
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It's busted pencils and we are with our guests
from Intel, Brian Gonzalez, Brian, that, yeah,
that, how do we, maybe, maybe let me rephrase that question.
The sense that some people think about, again,
back to, I'm going to be replaced by AI.
Let's forget about that it's going to learn me,
but I think what you're talking about,
and maybe I see this as one of the ways to address,
particularly educators is to talk about, you know,
what am I going to do when I graduate college,
when I graduate high school, when I do quote work,
and realizing how AI here is going to impact how I do work.
And I think I heard, I don't, somebody else said this,
it wasn't me, but it was, you know,
AI isn't going to replace you.
People who know how to use AI are going to replace you.
And wonder if that's what you're kind of getting at.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think businesses will always need,
let's say you're going to your own business
or you're working for someone else,
there would be a, you know, increased productivity,
there's always new challenges.
If you look at the nature of work,
there's going to be, in many cases,
more volume of information given the fact
that all these systems, for example, are giving us data.
But how do we make sense of that data?
What are the tools that we have
that help me make informed decisions?
And this is where I think the power of AI is going to come
in strong to augment those capabilities.
So someone that has those skills around AI
will have a better position, potentially,
to address these amounts of data that we have to make sense of
to, for whatever type of work that we do.
So these skills will be core competencies that you will need.
And it's not about necessarily learning how to code
and getting deep into the technology,
but understanding enough of how the technology
can help me produce that deliverable
that is going to be on target to what I need to do.
So there is going to be a new interaction
with the technology that we had not seen before.
And we're starting to see with generative AI,
with agente AI, these new modalities
of the implementation of the technology,
that that is possible,
and that that's going to be necessary to understand.
Yeah, see, put that there and move it for us.
You know, you're kind of helping the Johnny and Tim,
you know, dole here that I see this,
again, you started with this, Brian,
that this is really ushering in a cultural change
in the way we do things.
And I know, Johnny, now I'm going to paint Johnny
in a very simple box, which isn't really true,
but he sees it as a very powerful tool.
We're probably both right, but to realize that, you know,
it's a come, you know, Johnny,
before we set Brian up with another good question,
I just throw that to you real quick, you know,
does that bother you when I say that, man?
No, Tim, because I don't go to the church of AI,
like you have converted fully,
you've taken that leap of faith into, you know,
and I tease Tim about the same way he teases me,
is I'm kind of, I kind of am in the middle,
I see it as an incredible tool.
And it's changing the way we work.
I think more productively, I think more generatively,
I think it sparks us to be the creative craft,
like that we are engaged in, you know,
as educators, especially,
to really think about the exciting ways we deliver lessons
to students, we engage them in learning
and peaked their interests.
And I tease Tim sometimes, because I say careful,
don't just rely on technology to save us,
we have to work with the technology.
So it's, to me, a really exciting new tool
to add to the toolbox,
I think is really important interaction
with our human capacities and creativities.
So, you know, we've got a great conversation going,
we're gonna come back and really toss it over to Brian,
because I got a little bit more on that,
the ways that technology impacts our culture,
when we come back.
I think we're way back home, we learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn.
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Brian,
well, I mean,
so much going on here with this conversation,
we just start thinking though about the work that you're doing.
And it just takes me right back to our first meeting at Hawking College,
when you're talking about the importance of making sure that we're ready.
You know, and how we get ready to use this new technology,
not put it in the closet,
know we have it or play it,
but to realize that, you know,
and I mean,
100 plus countries that you're looking at at doing this,
in fact, you just came back from Poland.
Correct.
Yeah.
And so like what,
that's,
I mean, so you're,
Intel and you are very much committed to saying,
we have,
we have work to do in partnership with communities,
with community college,
with local governments,
with other countries.
You talk more about that work.
Yeah.
Thank you, Tim.
Yes.
Earlier this year,
I was in,
I started the year in Vietnam,
then went to London,
and I had many travels in between,
many to Ohio.
In the last few weeks,
I was in, in Poland,
doing a presentation on AI,
met with some partners in Portugal
and spend the day in Germany,
because this movement around AI
is a global phenomena.
Right.
I mean, education in my view is fundamentally local,
but the technologies that impact the things that we're learning
about are not local,
they're totally global.
Our efforts around AI,
actually that started in 2019 at Intel,
were first initiated in Singapore and Korea,
before we came into the US in 2020,
not because we thought those were more important markets
or anything like that.
She said,
there was already a movement happening,
and in this whole AI skilling,
we're still at the beginning of the beginning.
So we learn from what other countries are doing,
and then we look at the local realities
and how folks are implementing education systems
in those countries and see where AI can add value.
Our goal has always been to give folks
some basic understanding of the potential
and pitfalls of these technologies
and work with educators and experts
to help bring content that we can deliver
that they can actually create
instructional curricula for their students.
So our role at Intel has always been
that of an advisor and learning
and trying to see how the technology can intercept
to help drive better learning outcomes.
And I think that doesn't change with AI.
I mean, it's not a trend necessarily.
It's not a technology.
It's a new set of capabilities
but how people learn and teach.
We rely on the experts
and we try to see how we can bring some content
so they can do their magic
with, you know, in the context of AI.
Johnny, I see you, man.
You're not.
I love it.
I love it.
You know, Brian said a new set of capabilities.
And I think about that as a teacher
and I think about that kind of partnership
that Brian's talking about in the work
that they're doing with collaborations
between Intel and community colleges
and, you know, educators around the world.
This is huge.
Partnering experts in two domains.
Right.
And I think that's the way to make things better for students.
I mean, this is at its essence, you know, the, the idea of like democracy is dynamic.
Right.
It's not a static system.
And so this like anything, our understanding of good learning
is dynamic with culture and changes
and the kinds of tools we have at our disposal to, to use to improve things.
And so, you know, I hate to say we learned this during COVID
because, you know, I don't want to romanticize that really difficult time
in the world or even this moment that we're in right now
that's been named in on this show as the best of times
and in some ways the worst of times.
But it's an exciting moment because we learned that together
with the right technologies, we reach more diverse learners.
We are, we have the capabilities to be more engaging
and outcomes really change.
And I think they improve when we engage more diverse learners
and, you know, we're applicable not only to career skills,
but to the ways that we learn differently.
And when we, you know, to oversimplify that, you know, like,
maybe I'm more of an introverted learner.
And, you know, a classroom with 50 students in it isn't best suited for me.
But individualized plans or maybe an online school program somewhere
does me justice makes me a better learner.
You know, and so we're learning how to part.
I love this partnering experts, experts in the tools and technologies
with experts in the pedagogy, the how we teach coming together.
And I can't see a better representation of democracy and action
than that.
So I'm excited.
That's why I'm getting you see if you're watching on the YouTube.
I face light up and I'm typing.
No, it's because this is really, I think a clear articulation
of the moment that we're in together with these tools and technologies
as a culture, Tim.
So that's both of our, you know, our hard lines.
We dig in and, and becker with each other about the role of AI in our teaching
and in the field of public education.
But I love this partnering experts together to better outcomes.
I mean, this is essentially the goal.
That is what we do in democracy, whether it's deciding, you know,
what, what kind of decisions we need to make for the,
for the better living of our neighborhoods, our communities,
or it's our classrooms.
This is, this is one of those moments where it's not an either or it's how
do we work together to be creative and make things happen?
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Brian, you know, listening to Johnny, I would say it goes,
man, it just keeps driving me back.
But what we saw there at Hawking College in Ohio,
we saw the mayor of a small town there at that conference.
Intel, you saw the community college, you saw another education setting group
that was there working together.
Truly, a partnership of multiple experts from multiple fields,
kind of coming together in that moment.
I mean, that's the work that I saw there
is really important because there are experts
that we recognize in places where I might not have it,
but you have it.
I really appreciated the part that Intel seeing the expertise of educators
and realizing that educators are your partners in these senses.
So I don't know if there's not really a question there as much as
there's just a compliment to be seeing that there's there.
Because I think what happens with when ever we start talking about
simply ed tech is is that there's a real kind of guttural jump fear
to going, what are they trying to sell us?
What are they trying to sell us?
You know, and I didn't see that there.
And maybe maybe that though to have you heard that all along the way
all of this work are people wise Intel here.
Right. Yeah, we hear that.
And going back to that event that we had the pleasure of being part of Tim.
The best part for me was actually the students and the interns
and them showcasing the projects because Johnny,
if I go back to the work around the world,
one of the best things I think that is good for Intel,
that we do.
And hopefully for the rest of the world is that we love to showcase
and celebrate what students are accomplishing with AI.
And you know, my own biases was like beginning with,
oh, this is going to be a lot about robotics and things.
You know what?
I have yet to see a robot.
You know what they're working on?
Johnny and Tim and Jess,
they're working on healthcare projects.
They're working on sustainability on things that are important to their community.
I have yet to see over the last four years anything that would be
extremely on the robotic side.
It's all on the human side.
So I think that's where we get super excited about seeing those students,
what they're able to accomplish with the support of the educators.
Well, you see that and Johnny, I know you point this out.
I mean, these are the things that the youth and the concerns,
you know, talk about this, my son.
Jess, when you talk about, you know,
if you're going to start talking to,
you know, 18 to 25 year olds right now,
they're concerned about the world.
Jess, you want to jump in there?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't quite fall into that age range category.
No, I know.
Just a bit outside of it.
Absolutely.
The concerns are about what is going to be the future for the humans in this world.
And understanding that that is going to intersect with the machines,
knowing that the machines are built, programmed, run by the humans.
And it brings me back to this, this quote that Tim brought in that,
AI is not going to replace humans,
but a human who knows how to use AI might replace you if you don't know how to use it.
So building these places for people to learn these skills,
the phrase that you brought up, Brian,
that really just stuck with me was democratizing skills.
And I'd love to hear just a little bit more about that in the few minutes we have left.
Yeah.
So Jess, part of democratizing skills is really making sure that they're really accessible to everyone.
Right.
And so when we did our programs in the US,
we focused on community colleges.
Why?
Because one, they're very collaborative.
There's awesome, you know, educators,
but also they're both urban and rural.
Right.
So we can have a broader reach.
And that level of collaboration,
let us go from one community college in 2020 to over 123 years later, right?
Four years later.
So the our notion of democratizing is making sure that we're not trying to convince someone that AI is good or not.
But we're giving them some basic understanding of the potential and the pitfalls.
So they can make their own decisions about the applicability of AI.
And if they want to go in that direction,
then learn the technology at a very basic level,
but also give an opportunity to go deeper.
So you don't have to be, you know,
someone who already has computer science to experience the benefits.
But if you want to go deeper,
that's an option that you have.
So creating a framework.
So many people can participate to the level that they want.
It's kind of our notion of helping democratize and make it accessible to everyone everywhere.
Nice.
Our guest is Brian Gonzalez from Intel.
And man, time is flying.
Brian, if people who are, you know, listening to right now and want to know more suggestions.
Well, you know, where can they go?
Where can they find?
You know, find you or you guys can always find Brian because he's here.
But where should people go to find out more?
Well, there's a couple.
There's a lot of great sources, right?
There's a lot of organizations that do great work like jobs for the future.
Intel has a very good program that I'm familiar with.
You know, I'll leave my email if someone needs to contact me personally.
But one of my things that I want to continue to do is help the teams in Somerset.
I had that opportunity to meet with the mayor of Somerset.
You know, years ago when, when he was starting to work with this mission.
And I want that work that he started to continue working with an organization called AI Owl.
That's doing amazing work out of Somerset and helping bring education,
AI education, working with Hawkins College and so forth.
So I'll be in the region.
I'll be in the area.
And I'll be available anytime.
Nice.
Thank you, Brian.
You know what we always say here, Brian, thank you for busting pencils with us.
My pleasure.
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Welcome back, Busted pencils fully-led education talk, educated educators talking education,
until great guest, Brian Gonzalez talking about technology.
And Johnny, you know, during the break, we kind of had this, you know,
little chat back and forth where, you know, I think sometimes when people hear AI,
we get really wrapped up in the toll and the concern and the legitimate concern,
you know, particularly educators, you and I have been out there, you know, realizing that, you know,
there's a lot of people who, quote, want to sell us something, right?
They want to sell us the next piece of equipment.
They, you know, and they're going to promise us it's going to raise test scores.
It's going to do this.
And you saw the work that, that what Brian was talking about, just not in that light to talk more about that.
I mean, I think, I think I see it not, not quite in that.
Like, I mean, I think the lines are getting blurred.
So what I'm saying is, you know, so often, and like so many things, which is why I'm excited about this moment.
We've called it on the show the best of times, the worst of times.
I think it's a both and moment to be in a generative space.
You know, we're both critical educators.
You know, we believe that school changes possible and we can improve education.
That's sort of the impetus of positive pencils, right?
Having these conversations to say, hey, we know better and we can do better.
Let's get there.
And how do we do that in the best possible ways?
And so, you know, I want to say, like, in that both and moment, where we're not just negating things, but we're being creative about bringing them together, right?
And sometimes Tim, you and I tease, like, we're on the, we are the either ores, where the no technology versus technology.
I mean, I remember there was not too long ago, a time when I said, Tim, I want to go one on one, head to head with AI.
I can see that I don't want that fight anymore.
I'm using AI.
I'm learning to work with it in, I think in ways that allow me to be creative, allow me to be the best educator.
I know possible to being and even better in some ways. I'll even admit that it's like, it's like teacher, teacher enhanced.
I have the superpower and classrooms with me.
And so do my students. So I've been, I've been a little bit embracing the both and moment and teasing about the either or.
But for listeners, what I mean about that both and, and Brian's a great example.
He's not on here to plug.
You all need to go buy more devices for your schools and classrooms so that everyone has, you know, technology in their hands. He's saying that that era is likely already here.
If not even being kind of not capitalized on, he's not here selling us a product.
He's saying, hey, how do we work together to bring experts in two domains. I'll kind of simplify it for a moment here.
The tech experts with the teaching experts.
Right. How do we come together to best use what we have available to us in this moment.
And so that's a both and kind of conversation that it's both the tool.
And it's a tool that's going to you, I think, you know, enhance our cultural experience of schools.
You know, it could be a tool used to, you know, do more surveilling, you know, to more distancing of students from good teachers.
But I don't see that happening when you have genitive conversations like Brian is proposing having and in those programs that Intel, you know, is partnering with communities around the world.
Right where I see generative things happening because they're saying, hey, if you go all in and you don't address the pitfalls and you don't figure out how this works with good teaching.
Then it's not going to be useful technology.
And that excited about both and moment we're in Tim and these kinds of conversations.
Yeah. And so, you know, again, Brian was talking about for the listener there. He was referring before he left Somerset.
Somerset is a small little town in southeast Ohio where he's really done a lot of work with the mayor there who was very interested in collaborating with Hawking College Community College and Intel to really make a difference in in this.
And so, you know, Brian, you can hear there, there's a commitment to continuing to work in in partnership and in that real solid democratizing is her saying and realizing that, you know, there, there is this time that we're dealing with, you say, best of times, worst of times.
And, you know, what if we try to make it the best of times because that is truly what we're here for as all of us. And so collaboratively working together democracy.
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