There it is, usbid and sold fully-ledged education talk, educated and educators talking
education.
And when Seven Dust comes in, I feel like I got to put some aggression behind my voice,
educated educators talking, you know, I mean, it's just something there, there's some
power.
Hey, can't wait till that September 25th show, Johnny with Sarah.
Oh, yeah, Sarah back.
I mean, wait a minute.
You get your, I got my copy of the book and reading it and it's so excited to have
her on.
Tim, you'll love it too and, and, and Lesnar, if you grab yourself a copy and get in it,
it's, you know, it's, it's really good, man.
It's good conversation.
It's right on point.
So it's like right at those intersections or those things we've been talking about
on here is like, like, okay, we say public education is so important in democracy, but what
does that mean?
Then in values and then actions and in skills and things that we can do and how do we understand
like, like, you know, Sarah shared, you know, the epistemology, how we know what we know,
right?
Like, where are the roots of these ideas around what makes, what makes a strong democracy?
And then knowing those as goals, like having those as, like part of our learning objectives,
like the point of having schools, we always ask, what is the point of having schools?
What is the point of an education, you know, public education system?
Well, this is an important kind of conversation and reading as part of that, being in, being,
being a participant in, in those kinds of dialogues that we talk about, we talk about
your neighbor, talk about shared things that we read that help provide us with honesty and
truth and expertise around topics that matter to all of our lives.
So love that we're reading this book, but that's my long plug for man, can't wait to have
this conversation again on 25th.
You'll hear us talking about it all the way leading up to it because man, I can't imagine
us not reading the same thing and talking about it here on Busta Pencils.
Well, I tell you, so now though, I want you to get back into the whole idea of making social
studies, teaching great again, not so fast, not so fast, but I need to be honest, he says,
before you get your red hat on, Tim, I can just, I start freaking out.
I'm worried Tim's going to show up on the, on the show with the red hat says,
me too, he's teaching great again.
I get it.
It's a, it's a response to, you know, it's a reclamation of a phrase that represents,
you know, I don't even know how to say it like one of Trump's banner slogans from his
last election and all the way through sort of the mantra of a particular kind of populism.
I don't even know if we can call it populism.
It's like cult, it really is by standards.
It really is by standards.
You know, I hate hyperbole, isn't backed up and with good information.
But I've been really reading about like how, like I have such a deep faith in humanity.
Really, I really do believe we have great capacity to care for ourselves and one another.
And I know we have great capacity to do harm to ourselves and one another too.
And so I really am one of those firm believers.
The more opportunity we have to connect and to build habits around doing that
care work, like really caring about ourselves, expressing value for difference and one another.
We, we tend to be better at it and we have the capacity to be really great at it.
I just get really shaken sometimes by people who will fully submit to the idea
that we should just really be harmful towards one another.
And to me, so when you say like, make social studies great again,
I think about that, the way that that phrase make America great again has been manipulative.
Yes, make something the best it can be.
But what it's really meant for so many people is make it the way it used to be.
Yeah.
So when you say social studies, I'm like, no, no, we're just getting to a point where young people are like,
given us this old, like history that is basically wise to be honest about it.
But in addition to that, glorifying genocide, glorifying colonization, you know,
like reminiscent and glorifying patriarchal times, right?
And we're in deeply rooted patriarchy right now in racism.
And so to undo that, be a social studies, to be strong democratic citizen, I would say, I cringe.
I know that's not what you mean, but let's not, let's not use words and say,
let's make social studies great again, because there's a bunch of people I hear cheer.
They're like, yeah, more reading the federal, yeah, more, more, more, you know,
more, as you say, you know, patriotic indoctrination, not that word.
No, no.
And actually, I'm glad you pointed that out too, because you know, it's quick to say this as if,
you know, hey, we're stealing that slogan, you know, from, from the red hats by saying,
you know, we're, we're making this great again.
We're stealing that.
But when you point out there too, is to really understand what happens when
the Trump cult says this whole making great again, they are referring to a going back
to when things were, you know, and let's be honest, when things were,
you know, the way they were when white people got to say whatever the heck they wanted
without being canceled, you know, back when women knew what they were supposed to do back when
and yeah, that's what I know, right?
It's so great.
America great again.
They hear make social studies great again.
They're like, that's the curriculum that makes America.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That means.
So I love the way I actually, I really appreciate you calling me out on that,
because that really is this, you know, kind of say, talk about truth.
They're really digging in for some honesty and having language that is honest language.
And I like what you put down, you know, to say is making it better than it's ever been.
I feel that there too is to go because you and I said, you know, as old social studies
teachers, we have watched the progression of where it was starting to get better.
Now, the last three years, the attack on multiculturalism, the attack on diversity,
the attack on equity, the attack on truth has really set social studies back.
So, and I want to say it's an important time because so many states have done real important work
to say we're going to have indigenous perspectives taught in social studies
and in our classrooms, even broader than just in social studies and in science
and in, you know, English language arts, same thing with Asian and Hmong passed
and with, Wisconsin, we talked about that, you know, Hispanic, Latino, Latinx histories.
We need to be learning diverse perspectives of our country, of our world, of our communities
and not just the history, the geography, the, you know, the civics, and the economics.
So there are content areas.
We'll get into that later.
We got lots to talk about, hey, Tim, it's almost the end of the week, you know,
where I wish I was.
I wish I was gotten here at NBC, Monaco Brewing Company with my guy, Tim Slecker here.
Nice.
I'm meeting Aaron Strommers over there for, you know, a hope group.
So, listeners, stay with us.
We'll break down the week, same time, same place tomorrow.
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