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Here are your hosts, Dr. Tim Slecker and Dr. Johnny Lupinacci,
educated educators talking education.
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Johnny Lupinacci, how are you, my friend?
Oh, man, I'm doing well.
It's been getting close to back to school here for me.
So I've been really organizing and planning
and preparing to shift from summer schedule
to fall full swing next week.
So it's Thursday.
Excited.
This will be probably one of the, if not the last Thursday,
I'll do the show from my home studio.
I'll be in my classroom.
We're going to have classroom studio maybe next week
for sure the week after, but we'll see.
I was getting concerned there when you said last.
I'm like, wait, wait, hold on, last, last nothing.
I was like, I was going to announce my room.
I was like, whoa.
Yeah, no, not such thing, just a little shift in venues
coming up because I will be back in the classroom this fall
and in full swing in two weeks.
And you know, setting things up next week.
Yeah.
And then with students and two.
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I know a great place in Madison
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Johnny Lupinacci, that if you wanted to sit down and say,
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Where would that be, Johnny Lupinacci?
I mean, I know where I'd go.
I don't necessarily know that I'd go there for my counseling.
I go to a therapist at a conference with that,
but or to make the decisions about my vote
and if I knew where I was going, I'd go there after.
Okay, celebrate with my friends
or if I had, like you said, good questions
and maybe seek advice or voting counsel.
Like yeah, get brought up to speed on the issues.
I'm sure there are like-minded political folks
hanging out at the Monacoa Brewing Company.
I was supposed to be sponsored by the Monacoa Brewing Company.
You know, beyond being political,
you know what's special about those guys, Tim?
What's that, Johnny?
I'm supporters of public education.
I mean, Kirk, there even went as far as
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Those are defenders of public education over there.
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And you can, like Tim said,
you can hoist one up with good fellows, good friends,
good folk and enjoy the rest of your summer
as it's waning away to fall,
but don't worry because there's plenty of good folks
around the fall and the beer never stops getting poured there.
You know, speaking of that,
listen, Tim and I, we have been going back and forth,
back and forth and really excited.
Jubilant yesterday with educators amplified
and we've been talking about the excitement
of the Harris Walls ticket.
It doesn't seem to get any less exciting.
So we're going to talk a little bit more about that tonight
and we're going to talk about that.
On two fronts, one, we've mentioned in the last few shows
in LA Tom, one of our regular callers listeners out there,
you know, you've heard LA Tom calling,
has brought up FDRs, you know, agenda and it's commitment
to, you know, reviving an economy.
And, and he's brought up FDR-like vibes,
says there's a lot of resonance to an FDR era.
And so we're going to talk a little bit about that tonight.
We'll do a little social studies lesson tonight
on the economic bill of rights as it's nerdy official name.
And, and I like the more colloquial modern version,
second bill of rights.
Let's go round to 2.0 baby, second bill of rights.
We'll get into that tonight, Tim and I,
a couple of social studies teachers ourselves.
Hey, pumped.
So we'll carry that out.
But Tim, I got a question for you, man.
I, what we haven't talked about and, and probably you and I
and Jess, we've talked off the air about it.
And, and, and small talk is an important thing in community.
And this isn't an exactly small talk.
I mean, this is, this is social studies talk.
This is geography talk.
This is sports talk.
When you talk Olympics.
Now, we haven't chopped it up about the Olympics at all
on busted pencils.
And we know Tim, we've said both big sports fans,
both coaches, both interested in, you know, youth programming
in this country and really around the world.
So, man, I got to ask you and Jess, like, are you watching
the Olympics?
How's it going?
What's your favorite moment or event, Ben?
And I got, I got to put it to you this way.
This is the first year that I haven't been able to officially
watch because my streaming service, you know, I don't pay
for the peacock, you know, I just do not pay for the peacock.
So I get my Olympics in news in spurts.
And I got to tell you, I mean, everything, Simone Biles,
you know, watching the field hockey players today, again,
going like, how the heck do they even hit that thing with that
tiny little type of, you know, stick, it doesn't look like the hockey
stick I use, Johnny.
But, man, I got to tell you, you know, as much as I love all the
excitement, all the gold medals, all of this, I love the little
short stories.
And I was able to kick catch one of those.
And my favorite one, though, I'm talking is watching Snoop Dogg
and Martha Stewart watching, watching horse dancing.
Yeah, I don't, you know, that's been amazing.
That's so joyful.
I know it's just so joyful because you just watch this and genuinely
watching Snoop Dogg looking at these dancing horses, which if you
watch this, there's an absolute amazement that a rider with the
inner thigh pressures that they put on this to get a horse to do
those different things with their legs, the trotting and stuff
like that.
And then him and Martha, it's just, it's a wonderful programming
bit to just look at, you know, first of all, two people who you go,
Martha Stewart, Snoop Dogg, yeah, awesome, awesome duo, but then
truly genuinely appreciating the artistry of horse dancing.
I just feel like that's a moment where I went, yeah, just joyful,
joyful again.
There you go, Tim, little known fact, little trivia that I'll just
throw out there.
I've terrified horses.
I don't really like, I mean, that's what Snoop said Snoop said the
same thing.
He's like, he's terrified.
I mean, I can watch every time I see a horse, how big they are.
Yeah.
And so that's been fun.
And this is reminding me, my kids always give me a hard time about
being, you know, less invested in streaming and services and being
a regular TV guy.
And I just, I haven't figured out how to make like the who lose
in all the things work for my sports obsessions.
I mean, and so I have, I'm, I'm, I'm slow to the, to the coming
around on, on, you know, different services and streams.
I have like as close to terrestrial TV is exists, you know, so I'm
like, wait, you don't have NBC because I mean, I, you just put on
NBC anytime a day right now.
And if it's not, you know, local news or, or interruption, it's the,
it's the Olympics and prime time in Paris has been awesome and had seen.
I love, you know, that the whole SNL class or, or at least a big group of
them have joined the announcing team and so they're, they're
commentating.
They're part of the things that's been great.
I mean, so many moments, I just love sports, you know, and seeing
Serbia almost beat the United States and basketball today to see the USA
men's basketball team be pushed to come from behind, big victory.
I mean, these are huge moments after, you know, decades of dominating
and the Olympics, probably even longer than decades, right?
Since the dream team, but so many big moments, women's water polo today
going into a double shootout, of course, they lost, but I mean, it's
just been to see excellence on the stage like that from, from young
people and I, I even consider, I mean, I'm not that old, but I even
consider the older group of really impressive athletes, like Simone
Biles, who's, I think, 27 years old.
I mean, impressive what all these people are doing as experts.
That's like, you know, you see the hard work that they put in and all
around the world.
So I also get stoked, Tim, because as social studies teachers, during
the Olympics is when we get to do so much like real time world
geography, world geography right there, man.
Alters, every six grade social studies teacher out there knows, oh
man, that's the curriculum is world, world cultures, you know, and
geography.
And so it's exciting to talk about it.
My kids are about tired of the embedded social studies lesson every
single time when you come to a country comes up, I say, well, do you
know what kind of government that country has?
You happen to know, you know, their history, what their capital is, and
they're just like enough already.
But it's bad, dad, stop.
I say, you'll thank me later.
And their eyes go up like, well, we actually later.
But, you know, I love the Olympics, Tim, I, that's how much though
that we haven't been talking about it is much as I love it.
As much as I know you and I talk about sports, this energy around
our democracy, it's connected to this because forms of government
certainly are connected to the Olympics.
But, but it's, it's, it's important to talk about the things we've been
in the head now. I mean, we've been excited or just been so excited.
You know, and you say just coming off and just put it in there.
Yeah, you know, the, the horse dancing and snoop and Martha made me joyful,
but it's that joyfulness that keeps carrying through the week of
realizing, as you said, joining our democracy, and again, just the switch
from Biden to Harris and then Harris now and all the anticipation of
a vice president and then walls, making social studies, teaching grade
again, which is why we're here tonight, just celebrating social studies,
but then the week Nancy Carlson Page, Matt Damon's mom, you guys started
talking off with weird and then Tuesday, we actually celebrated
Waltz as the pick. And then last night with educators amplified to watch
teacher Halle and teacher Joanna say, wow, I feel like they can catch
what's happening. Man, and then you say, Johnny, the Olympics, I got
put in there for the Olympics, I am always amazed when I quote, see
distance runners. And I think they're sprinting and they're truly
distance running. And I'm like, are you kidding me? They've been running
that that pace for that long. Oh, it was the pencils, man, you see how
much longer we can keep running when we come back.
Oh, and we're back. This is a plus the pencils, totally lettered
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we love you. If you want to join the conversation, our phone lines
are a little bit tied up because we have Dr. Nancy Carlson Page joining
us by phone for the first half of the show. But don't worry, we'll
get you in on the second half. We'll we'll fold you into the
conversation. Nancy, I had to cut you off abruptly right when you
were kind of making an important point about, you know, the
discourse of things. And so bringing you back in, you can go ahead
and pick right up where you left off. Thanks, Nancy.
I mean, as far as I see it, this whole thinking low happened when
Donald Trump came on the scene. And he he because I have never seen
public discourse be of this nature in my lifetime. And I think he's
really normalized a behavior that many of us feel are completely
unacceptable, like bullying people and name calling and making
put downs and you know, he he makes up names for people crooked
Hillary and Pocahontas for my son, wonderful senator Elizabeth
Warren, you know, and Grandpa Joe, these are these are caricatures
of people that are very calculating on his part because they're
intended to actually undermine the persons. Hold an understanding
of who the person is and reduce them down to these stereotypic
names. But what I'm really trying to say here is that these
behaviors, I co founded the Center for Peaceable Schools at my
university and taught for many, many years teachers on how to work
with conflict, conflict resolution and mediation skills in
classrooms. And one of the things about doing that kind of work
is you teach kids even in kindergarten what put downs are and
not to make them what name calling is and not to do it. What it
means to bully and and you help kids understand what these
things are. And to understand that when you communicate with
people, when you use what language you use can either escalate
or deescalate conflict. So if you're looking for understanding
and some kind of compromise or meeting the minds on conflicts
or whatever, it's really important to choose a kind of language
that helps the other person stay connected to the conversation,
not get angry or retaliatory. But and so it's sad to me, I mean,
the model of all of this behavior that's been so evident on a
national on the national scene has been really harmful for
kids, the terrible model. And also adults, I mean, I've had the
experience of adults being unbelievably disrespectful and
unkind in a way I hadn't noticed earlier in life that I just
think there's something about a national mood when people find
it okay to treat others with bullying, disrespect, put downs
and so forth. So I can and the weird comment, the comment
saying that they're weird does fit that model of kind of
disrespectful discourse. It does. Yeah, it's like that. And yet
it slides into it. It does. And she's right on the edge. She's
right on the edge making it because I think she I wouldn't
want to see her slippery further. Because I don't want to
see a common hair has played their game on their terms.
Yeah, I don't know what you think. I'm right there with
the Nancy and I love that you brought up how we work with young
people because that's where we learned to become democratic
citizens, like in schools that are committed to that level of
and remember we we themed it last week from our 20 lessons from
the 20th century, you know, inspired by Timothy Snyder to
remember professional ethics. And that's not to to be like
like overruling and controlling of language, but remembering
that the words we use, the language that the metaphors of our
language bring into reality, how we understand and act
towards one another. So we as human beings, even a little
as his youngest kindergarten is preschool, we use
intentional language to put our best foot forward to develop
the habits and characteristics of we could say a democracy
or a healthy community or an inclusive community, one we can
belong and feel safe in both both practice care, but receive
it. Right. And so it's the language is really important. I
have to say, I'm right there with you, I would hate to see
Kamala Harris slide into it. I don't think she will because
over the course of her career, she's shown us that she can be
empathetic and firm. She can respond to a matter. She's not
dismissive of it. She can she can be right there fighting the
good fight, but elevating it to a level that we ought to have as
the professional standard of our politicians. And so I'm
really grateful for it. And I'm also grateful Nancy, for you
participate, not only in the show, but tonight reminding me,
you know, we've been talking about this. And I and I I really
think you're right. We are in an era where a level of
vitriol language has been become acceptable. And I think it's
okay for us to say, let's put a pause on this. I don't want to
be one to advocate for censorship or to say, Oh, you know,
you can't use certain words. And but the intention and meaning
behind it is important for us to understand in the level of
the way that vitriol language and rhetoric of violence.
Really man, like really, really the fruition in every day
life. And so I think we have it has been escalated. And we've
almost normalized or built a tolerance to vitriol and
violent language. And and and I'm and I'm hoping that it shifts.
I really am.
Yeah, no, I agree with you 100% and it's been yes, it's
become normalized. And there's a, you know, we all have many
parts to ourselves. And we have some very based instincts
and, you know, tendencies that as we grow and develop, we get
them under control are the theory we can feel the anger, the
vitriol revenge, these qualities that are human. But we want
to understand them in ourselves and understand when they come
up and know how to monitor them and not just explode out
without any reflection on what's coming out of our mouth or
how it's affecting someone else. You made the point to about
feeling safe. And I just wanted to mention when you have a
classroom, if a teacher has a classroom of kids and bullying
is allowed, then nobody feels safe in that room. And I feel
that way on the national scale too, if you, if you have a
society where people are treating each other with this much
unkindness, lack of compassion, disrespect, and without any
sort of interest in listening and compromising or resolve
and complex, I think it has a terrible effect on the
population. And I think part of what's happening with the
explosion for Kamala is there's a big sigh of relief going
on. Like, maybe it doesn't have to be this way, maybe things
are going to actually turn around and become more civil.
Yeah, I that there is kindness.
Yep, I love that there is there is a radical joy there is a
shift and Nancy, I want to thank you for joining us tonight.
Thanks for hopping on the phone when the, when the internet
went down. We appreciate you. Listener, stay with us. This is
busted pencils fully-led at education talk more when we come
back. It's going to be awesome. We're going to talk about this
radical sort of shift in things, this joy and this
opportunity to reclaim political discourse and to make bullying
and vitriolink, which is intolerable.
Yes, yes, we're all strong enough.
Hale storm there. Love it. Lizzie Hale, busted pencils, fully
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the numbers 857524842. Lots going on. I know L.A. Tom, you're
going to call back. Kam just blowing up the texting there. I
lived in Apples Valley, Minnesota when the riots happened. So
pretty near where they took place, Walt's handled it and got a
grade A class as far as I'm concerned. Hey, and they're sharing
from Horacan saying a good evening, friends, a little late
right there. It's Wednesday. It's educators amplified teacher
Joanna, teacher Halle in the house. We're all just kind of
sharing a joyful moment. Wanted to point this out teacher
Halle and teacher Joanna last night, if you saw the title of the
show, Jess quickly came up with this, the walls making
America joyful again.
Combo walls, because we were talking about how I was saying
too, how nice it is to have somebody be direct. And again,
remember, like, I'm not anti-comal at all. I'm also not our
biggest fan. And not because I have any kind of fear of, can
we actually have a woman as a leader or any of that deeply
entrenched patriarchy stuff that all of us guys need to always
be working on. But really, it's just sometimes around my
opposition to punishing kids the way that California schools did
for so long under her legal thing. But these are all things I do
believe she has capacity to grow on. But one thing I did really
like, and this was building on that radical joy that Jess
brought up is I was refreshed that someone can be direct,
they can be firm, they can be tough, they can be highly qualified,
and they can laugh, and they can smile, and they can lead. To
me, that's a different kind of energy. That's one I believe
can can support democracy, can handle conflict that isn't
violent. And so that that that joy that I hear from her when
she's leading, I like that. And then we got her and Tim
was laughing. And I think it was actually to critique them
again, the critique, like the, like the memes of them are
actually the things that were like, wait, we kind of need
this. And it's not without good strong leadership, like you
can have both qualities, you can have a balance in those
things. So that's the big thing to both of them really smiles
laughing, but a strong record of being firm.
Well, it sounds like, you know, executive function is wired
up, right? Which is different. When we're in fear, we lose
our ability, you know, we lose our executive functioning. And
so it's really smart. And it is really needed that if you
really want folks to connect and understand and be able to do
something with information, they have to be in a state where
they are feeling safe. And let's say joyful since you're
using that word. But I hear it is that like we're able to
be connected where they're in and they they're in executive
function. They themselves, which, you know, helps me to
believe that them may be capable leaders. Because with all
who knows the stress that they have right now with just all
that they're doing and all that's required in all the
criticism. And so for that not to be an act and for that to be,
you know, true spirited connection, that's what you're doing
internally. And then that's what's coming out externally. So we
can only do it as a collective if we have individuals who are
modeling and practicing.
So constantly being in fear then is not good mental health
practicing. But but yet the right now on the right in the
Trump and Vance campaign, that seems to be what they were
absolutely, particularly leaning on to do, which was to drive
that fear in a way that got people to the ballot box, teacher
Halley, maybe you'd say coming back off a teacher, Joanna, is
it then a better even? And I'd say, maybe it's not a
strategy. It's must, but to be genuinely moving in that
direction of executive functioning with joy and laughter, is
that also what we're starting to feel then is that it's so
much better than feeling fear that we're feeling like truly our
own chemicals in our brains are working better because I'm
not every day hearing about how awful it is.
Yeah, I mean, when I hear you all talking, I just think about
like, you know, the human brain is, you know, you know, we do
tend to look more towards the negative. So sure, a motivator
could be the fear. But I can see, especially since times of
COVID, we've been on like overdrive of fear or overdrive of
stress. And so I think that this is a much needed breath of
fresh air of just like this feeling of hope or this feeling
of like something good can happen because of how long we've
had this chronic stress of just like when will it end? That I
tend to think that right? This is reviving people and that
the fear is then not as like consuming because there's
something positive or hopeful to look towards. Hey, oh, you
know what that bell means every day here on busted pencils.
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ageist sense, but this is a sign. This is a message that
there is something that young people feel they have a say in
and that's an important healthy part of democracy. We already
know that as we get older, we tend to be more responsible with
our civic duty. I actually am learning from these young
folks that they weren't sureking their responsibility. They
just truly didn't see themselves the things that they care
about being addressed. And they didn't see an option that they
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Last little plug and we'll get back to the conversation, though,
Wisconsin's fall primary election folks is August 13th. Make a
plan to vote in this and every election, do your civic duty. In
fact, get together with groups of people. There's a joy while
we're talking about joy in voting. There's a joy and collect
like get your individual vote, but then collectively celebrate
that and let's usher in a strong democracy. I'm big, I'm big
stand of that, Tim. I am too.
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teacher Joanna. You're laughing at that one. I'm just but you
too, you've been on, you know, educators amplified teacher
alley teacher Joanna, you've been on and really talking and
helping in the list and I really understand this emotional
regulation that that how that is and to hear now too, I want to
just kind of revisit more teacher Joanna, if you can bring us
into this, how the that, you know, as a teacher, you would have
a goal of getting your students out of that fear mindset to move
them out of that because that's not how they function well.
Right. Well, any of us, like I said, like in order to be able to
be creative and flexible and to critique and to adapt. Yeah,
your your mind needs to be in a state of calm because that's
where your your logic, you know, is operating from we can't be
in what we call right alley our reptilian brain. We have to be
able to and because that's our most basic instinct survival
brain. And so to really move up those those layers for more
complex thinking and tasks. Yeah, you have to be able to be
I don't know, regulated calm, your nervous system in balance. And
so what we think about the huge challenges our world faces right
now. And you know, and this has been howling eyes perspective
with schools being like we have huge challenges in schools. And
what we were seeing why we were so disappointed is even the
solutions were dysregulated because we're like everybody's what
I'd be that everybody's tripping. And so that's what I always
set right. I'm like, so these solutions don't even make sense
because everything is kind of chaotic and and jacked, you
know, the stress levels are jacked. And we really need like
what our world needs, what our schools need is regulated
environments and adults. So that again, we can get into we
can tackle these complex issues and have solutions that
honestly like make sense and benefit. So like when we came out
of COVID and the you know, the the battle cry was like learning
loss. We were like, oh my gosh, this doesn't even make sense
right now. But but what that is is it's an example of almost
like the reptilian brain, right? You just go back to what you know,
you're not thinking of something new. You're not, you know,
be creating and being flexible. You'll just instinctively go
back to what you know.
Well, that learning loss was that tapping on that fear fear again.
And teach your how you would put really the way you said that
about coming out of COVID, it's like we have been constantly
engaged in fear in some way, some anxiety provoking in
teacher joy. Yeah, soon as COVID was over. Guess what? Well,
we are already in that that that pain and trauma of COVID. And
wow, guess what? You're learning loss, learning loss, learning
loss fear, fear, fear anxiety, anxiety, anxiety. I just maybe
that's truly I don't know if anybody politically saw this as
a tactic, but to step up into this moment right now and to show
laughter, to show laughter, to demonstrate laughter, to then also
engage in talking points and teacher Joanna, I've heard Tim
Wallace doing some really incredibly powerful commentary. And
even when he's hitting very important points, he's not using
that fear anxiety twist, he's empowering that, you know, that
other part of the brain, when waltz Harris waltz campaign, I
tell you what, teacher, Hallean teacher Joanna are ready for
duty right now. If you guys want to keep this up there out there,
you need some educators amplified on your team out there keeping
that regulation going. Hey, it's busted pencils. It's fully
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teacher Halle, teacher Joanna, and Sherry, you are welcome. Hey,
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I can see your smile. I can see your smile shine for
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especially yours. And it is awesome. You did that big smile.
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Thursday, a little bit of Olympics, but then social studies
lesson, second bill of rights. Well, actually, the economic
bill of rights, FDR's state of the union, 1944, and Johnny, you
know, when you do, when you read through these and it's
interesting to see how there's a debate on this one, because as
we teach, this is the other thing that you and I teach Johnny,
we teach new teachers, getting them ready. You know, it's like
education 101 teachers, what does a child need to be successful?
And we bring up and we show them through Maslow's hierarchy of
needs, which lays out saying that you have to have food, you have
to have clothing, you have to have shelter, because without
those basic needs, those Maslow's hierarchy of needs, everything
else above that is impossible, that self actualization,
critical thinking, participation, when I look at the second
bill of rights, I see Maslow's hierarchy of needs all through
this language. And man, that's when I bring it back to my future
social studies teachers, that's how I'm always making the
connection to them is saying, remember when when you were
first starting out learning to be a teacher, and in your
ed psych class or in your ed foundations class, you learned about
Maslow, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, like, hey, dig into these
economic bill of rights, this second bill of rights, what do
you see? And all the time, Johnny, they're able to draw that
comparison, go, oh my God, Dr. Slecker, you're right. Yeah, and
and it also recenters education back on his murmur, but this
was supposed to be fully led at education talk, right?
And your educators talk in education, you know, it is political
and government responsibility, the strong education. And that's
let's do some contrast, that's contrast with, you know, at least
on this ticket, a Republican party that wants to do away with
that government responsibility, they want that fully privatized
and, you know, and to be an individual competition based.
That's very different than saying, hey, a strong education
system is a bedrock of our democracy. It is one that is how we
underwrite and ensure and invest in not only the bill of rights
the constitution, but like items like this second bill of rights
or what FDR proposed in 1944, right, as the economic bill of
rights, you know, and as we segue that back into why we are so
excited about Harris and walls right now, is we're talking
about a fellow social studies teacher and, and Tom, LATom called
him coach walls, and we've been, you know, emphasizing those
aspects of it. But one of my favorite parts of this week,
just I think we can wrap up the night show, sort of ending on
this sentiment, we got a lot coming up, we'll close down, but
before we do, I just want to say one of the inspiring moments I
had listening to the Tim Wall stuff was why how he was inspired
to make that move from the classroom and coaching in his
community role, you know, and his responsibilities as a father
and a participant in the local economy to being a political
leader, Jesse, how that clip where he where he credits his
inspiration. Let's run that clip. My students are the ones
who encouraged me to run for office. I never thought much
about it. But they saw, they saw in me what I hope doing
still in them, a commitment to the common good, a true belief
that one person truly can make a difference, can make a
difference in the world. Yeah, and I love it because we just
talked about it, Tim, we talked about how we prepare teachers,
how we are teachers. We know we have listeners out there who
are teachers, we have educators amplified every week, their
teachers, we have guests on who are teachers or leaders of
teachers in some capacity. I mean, this is education talk.
Absolutely. On the ground with the teachers, well, every
teacher, just a reminder, right, our classrooms are microcosms
of democracy. Young people experience that they believe in
it. They see that their voice matters that their value that
they have a responsibility to participate and that everything
is towards the common good, you know, and they lifted up, they
pushed and lifted up are now candidate for vice president
Tim. Well, so every teacher, just a little reminder, that
work you're doing to have a democratic classroom to honor the
humans, I emphasize that is not only instilling democracy
into their futures, but their belief that it's not only
possible, but it's probable and it's worthy of taking action
on. So great work there. I love that clip. Before we part
ways, though, hopefully, we have plenty of opportunity to
hoist up some brews soon, Tim. Yes, I'll say shout out to
Monaco Brewing Company. I mean, Busta Pence is a sponsor by
Monaco Brewing Company. So check them out, Monaco Brewing
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pack or a couple brews from their progressive beer lineup.
Loving that progressive beer and Johnny, man, I can't believe
another show this quickly. Man, we barely got to everything,
just though, you know, again, just another opportunity for
a did you know? And in fact, there'll be a big did you know
tomorrow? Because you know what tomorrow is Friday, Tim
strivia, did you know? Okay. But another did you know that you
put in here and it made me think about this is this is that
within somebody you might say, there is no second bill of
rights. Okay, well, you're right. But when you say a right to,
you know, points out that in education and people like,
Hey, you know what? So amendment 10 says if it's not here,
refer to the state constitution and all 50 state constitutions
absolutely say that an education is the responsibility of that
government. And so anyone who tries to talk about these things
as these aren't really covered, sorry, education is and that's
sorry, that's what we do here all the time, or educated
educators talking education. And we got to bring this stuff up
all the time so that people don't forget, Johnny, you again,
reminding people too, I just love that those kindergartners
that are going into those public schools, you're like, oh,
they're learning their phonics, they're learning this, they're
learning democracy, that's their first engagement to practice
being democratic citizens, first grade, second grade, third grade,
all the way up. Yes, it's about the academics, but it's that
democracy in action. Man, tomorrow night, TGI BP F and Tim
strivia and oh, just so much more. See y'all tomorrow night.