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Hey, welcome to another week of Busted Pencils,
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This is Dr. Johnny Lupinacci.
And tonight is a special night, not because Dr. Tim Slecker is not here.
Because we miss him, and he'll be back on.
I mean, he's just in some transport from Michigan back down to his lovely home in Ohio.
And he has been on the ground close to so many things in education.
Last week in Wisconsin, this week in Michigan.
And he is a man of the people on the ground,
covering education stories, breaking all over the place.
So we'll report with, we'll check in back with Tim tomorrow,
but tonight to kick off the week and really to kind of kick off the beginning of the month.
We have Dr. Nancy Carlson, Paige with us, you know,
asked what would Matt Damon's mom say.
Of course, we have the lovely Jess on the boards.
So we'll probably get to chat it up with Jess tonight.
And here I am, your host, normally your co-host, Johnny Lupinacci.
But I'm in the pilot seat tonight.
So we're going to have a blast.
Welcome to August and the first Monday of the month.
Lots of gears turning, lots of energy shifting back towards back to school.
And of course, lots of energy and excitement.
I would say renewed energy and good,
generative excitement coming from the Democratic party and from politics in general.
I've experienced not only a jubilant reinvigoration of so many generations of voters,
but I've also seen a shift in the rhetoric on both sides.
And it's pushing American politics, I believe, to be greater, to be stronger,
to be more pro democracy.
And so this is a big win coming off of a real couple of low moments in American politics.
But before we get to it, how are you doing, Dr. Nancy Carlson, Paige?
Well, hi there, Johnny.
I'm doing really well.
Hi, Jess.
Great to be with you and all the listeners, too.
I'm just great.
Good.
So, Somers treating you well, Dr. Nancy?
Yeah, it's been busy.
It's not, I always think it's supposed to be a quieter, more relaxing time,
but that never seems to happen for me.
And then I just try to get my head around the fact that I'm a really busy person.
And it's okay.
And I guess it's way better to be very engaged in life than to have a lot of open time
when you don't know what to do and, you know, feel sort of aimless or something.
So absolutely.
We were, Jess and I were just talking about that this morning, too, on our producer meeting.
We were talking about that, the importance of balance, but knowing that that busyness
or a full plate of engagement is sometimes just part of our lives and having that balance
and finding it in all seasons is really important.
I'm not to over, not to burn out because we were talking a lot about teacher burnout,
but in general, teachers learn and have to learn to sustain over not only their career,
but their school year.
It's like a form of a marathon.
And no matter what level you're engaged as a person in community,
I think people, this resonates with folks.
It's hard to find that balance, but knowing that balance is ever important.
And speaking of balance, though, I'll tell you a little bit about a balance I'm grateful
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beer.
But coming back around to that Nancy, that progressive moment wherein, I mean, how are
you feeling given recent developments in the Democratic Party and just in general our
country?
Well, the shift is very, very significant.
It's been, and it was palpable from the moment the announcement was made.
I think that the Biden decided not to run and that he endorsed Connell Harris.
There was just such a groundswell.
I have a huge family.
I have a lot of, I have adult kids and grandkids.
And I have quite a few grandkids who are teens and they're, you know, they're Gen Z kids
and they, they are fired up and all their, all their friends are fired up and they weren't
going to vote.
These kids weren't going to vote.
I know.
I think I'm saying it not because they're my family.
I think they're representative because there was something like 40,000 people registered
to vote in the 48 hours after this announcement.
And more than 80% of them were Gen Z. So that, that is really exciting to me because as
soon as this, actually even before this decision, I wanted to Connell Harris for a couple
reasons.
One, I thought it was more stable for the country because Joe Biden, who there are many positive
things to say about him.
But I think when you watch that debate, I think it was unsettling for a lot of people.
And it's better to choose somebody who's already run for president, who's already served
as vice president, knows this job and the country knows her.
And of course, for me, I was just so thrilled about her, that she's black, that she's Asian,
that her husband's Jewish.
And I'm like, let's get them all in there.
And let's diversify from, excuse me, but old white men, please forgive me for saying that
because they're a lot of wonderful elderly white men.
But it's just that there's a patriarchy that we struggle against and why we don't get
more women in the highest offices in our country when they've been serving in many other
countries forever is a mystery.
That must mean we have entrenched patriarchy that doesn't want to let go of power.
So that's, that's all that I just, well, I love that Nancy.
I think you hit on a lot of the, the energy that I'm experiencing too.
It's that, that wave, that strong wave of young voters.
And I, we were talking about it with listeners.
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talk, but that energy, that excitement, that engagement for this generation of voters,
and especially for Gen Zers, and I'll even speak to it, you know, being in a household
with some young teens, that they are, they were talking about their hopes for when they
vote in the next presidential election.
And they are fired up in a new way, wishing they could vote in this one.
And so seeing that excitement and seeing, you know, representation and engagement alive,
you know, in a strong way.
Remember, these are the young people who are coming into early adulthood amidst the
largest social uprising of all of our lifetimes.
Yeah.
That's included in us older white guys too, who are learning humbly to step aside and
support, right, what we call like plenty of highly qualified, highly capable women
and leadership, but just different folks.
And that brings us into some things.
The rhetoric has shifted.
I know we were talking last week on the show, and we ended the show, kind of Tim and
Johnny going back and forth over the, the, the adjective weird.
And we had said, you know, Tim had said, you know, he's kind of tired of just Trump
and the weird Republicans, and I, and I get what he's saying.
I think he's meaning, you know, this, this, this introduction that it's okay to be really
not, it's okay to be harmful.
It's okay to be a destructive person who puts down humanity, who disregards human rights,
who kind of speaks as a representation of what I would call a bully.
And I think it's, I think, I think to call that weird, I understand, but I thought it
also to be a little bit troubling because I also really valued diversity and difference.
And to me, weird can sometimes be used as a put down or something that's different.
So Nancy, I don't know if you had heard any of that kind of discussion and what your
thoughts were about that adjective of weird, but you know, I'm interested in, you know,
figuring out how we can roll with the momentum of positivity, but also being firm about facts
and the energy that I think Kamala Harris and, and the Democratic Party is really turning
to and has a strong foundation of.
So Nancy, what are your thoughts at that?
No, we've lost Nancy.
Oh, so I know Nancy is out on the coast.
So we'll bring her back in when she can get connected.
We'll bring her back in in a moment.
I'll say that, you know, I was called weird plenty of times in my childhood.
And it usually was not a compliment.
Yeah, you know, well, what I worry about is that the, the, the way that we push for assimilation
is anti-diversity.
It's really anti-difference, the condition of different, the diversity being a condition
of difference at which thing, which everything exists.
The strength of democracy is in being different, having different experiences shared acceptance,
you know, inclusiveness, community is based on feeling like you belong, not on
conforming.
So I think we have Nancy on the phone.
We can fold Nancy back into things.
I know we had a caller, LA Tom, looking to say hi, Tom, we love you.
Hello, from Tom to Nancy.
And you know what?
I think it's awesome.
LA Tom is a regular listener.
He's a participant and a lot of civic media, and especially a bust of pencils, but we've
lost Nancy on the stream and we've got her on the phone.
So Tom, we'll loop back around here.
I'll pull you in on the second half of the show.
This Nancy is done with her segment, but we love you listeners, and if you want to give
us a call, give us a call 855752 or 82, but hold on because we've got Nancy on the phone.
Nancy, are you there?
Hi, yeah.
I'm really glad to be back.
Our internet connection is unstable today, so here I am by the phone.
Well, you're still clear if it's for calling you.
I think a couple of things about this weird comment.
Yeah, please.
Yeah.
You know, first of all, I understand why it took off because there are so many people
who I think have felt this way for a long time.
And it kind of touched a nerve and it kind of went viral to use a common term.
And because people have felt like something is really strange, something's really off,
you know, when those comments started getting made about the cat women and the childless cat
women and parents should have more voting power and things like that by JD Vance.
I think it just, it got people to a point plus you have, you know, a convicted felon
running for president and an erratist.
And these are known facts.
They're not like opinions and to many people, this is a very, very strange political milieu
to be in.
So to make the comment weird and have it take off that way, I do understand, although
there, I think there are words more accurate, like dangerous or, you know, ultra fascist
or ultra authoritarian or things that should scare us on democratic.
But at the same time, I've been reflecting for a long time now on how our sort of public
discourse has sunk to a very low level.
And Nancy, that's a perfect way we got a break.
We're going to, we're going to pull you back after.
So stay tuned, stay with us more Nancy Carlson age when we get back.
Oh, and we're back.
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Listeners, we love you.
If you want to join the conversation, our phone lines are a little bit tied up because
you have Dr. Nancy Carlson, they're joining us by phone for the first half of the show.
But don't worry, we'll get you in on the second half.
We'll, we'll fold you into the conversation.
Nancy, I had to cut you off abruptly, right when you were kind of making an important
point about, you know, the discourse of things.
And so bringing you back in, you can go ahead and pick right up where you left off.
Thanks, Nancy.
I mean, as far as I see it, this whole thinking low happened when Donald Trump came on the
scene.
And he, he, because I have never seen public discourse be of this nature in my lifetime.
And I think he's really normalized a behavior that many of us feel are completely unacceptable
like bullying people and name calling and making put downs.
And you know, he, he makes up names for people crooked Hillary and Pocahontas for my
sent wonderful Senator Elizabeth Warren, you know, and, and Grandpa Joe, these are, these
are caricatures of people that are very calculating on his part because they're intended to actually
undermine the person's whole, an understanding of who the person is and reduce them down
to these stereotypic name.
But what, what I'm really trying to say here is that these behaviors, I, I, I co founded
the Center for Peaceable Schools at my university and taught for many, many years teachers on how
to work with conflict, conflict resolution and mediation skills in classrooms.
And one of the things about doing that kind of work is you teach kids even in kindergarten
what put downs are and not to make them what name calling is and not to do it.
But it means to, um, to bully and, and you help kids understand what these things are.
And to understand that when you communicate with people, when you use, what language you
use can either escalate or deescalate conflict.
So if you're looking for understanding and, um, some kind of compromise or meeting the
minds on conflicts or whatever, it's really important to choose a kind of language that
helps the other person stay connected to the conversation, not get angry or retaliatory.
But, um, and so it's, it's sad to me.
I mean, the model of all of this behavior that's been so evident on a national, on the national
scene has been really harmful for kids, the terrible model and also adults.
I mean, I've had the experience of adults being unbelievably disrespectful and unkind in
a way I hadn't noticed earlier in life, but I just think there's something about a national
mood when people find it okay to treat others with bullying, disrespect, put downs and
so forth.
So, um, I, I can, and the word comment, the comment saying that they're weird does fit that model
of kind of disrespectful discourse.
It does.
Yeah.
And yet, it slides into it.
It does.
And she's right on the edge, she's right on the edge, making it because I think she,
I wouldn't want to see her slip any further because I don't want to see a common hair
have played their game on their terms.
Yeah.
I don't know what you think.
I'm right there with you, Nancy.
And I love that you brought up how we work with young people because that's where we've
learned to become democratic citizens, like in schools that are committed to that level
of, and remember, we, we themed it last week from our 20 lessons from the 20th century,
you know, inspired by Timothy Snyder to remember professional ethics.
And that's not to, to be like, like overruling and controlling of language, but remembering
that the words we use, the language, that the metaphors of our language bring into reality
how we understand and act towards one another.
So we as human beings, even a little as, as young as kindergarten is preschool, we use
intentional language to put our best foot forward to develop the habits and characteristics
of, we could say, a democracy or a healthy community or an inclusive community.
One, we can belong and feel safe in both, both, both practice care, but receive it, right?
And so it's, the language is really important.
I have to say, I'm right there with you.
I would hate to see Kamala Harris slide into it.
I don't think she will because over the course of her career, she's shown us that she
can be empathetic and firm.
She can respond to a matter.
She's not dismissive of it.
She can, she can be right there fighting the good fight, but elevating it to a level
that we ought to have as the professional standard of our politicians.
And so I'm really grateful for it.
And I'm also grateful, Nancy, for you participate, not only in the show, but tonight reminding
me, you know, we've been talking about this and I really think you're right.
We are in an era where a level of vitriolanguage has been become acceptable.
And I think it's okay for us to say, let's put a pause on this.
I don't want to be one to advocate for censorship or to say, oh, you know, you can't use certain
words.
And, but the intention and meaning behind it is important for us to understand in the
level of the way that vitriolanguage and rhetoric of violence really meant, like really
really the fruition in everyday life.
And so I think we have, it has been escalated and we've almost normalized or built a tolerance
to vitriol and violent language and I'm hoping that it shifts.
I really am.
Yeah, no, I agree with you under percent and it's, yes, it's become normalized and there's
a, you know, we all have many parts to ourselves and we have some very base instincts and, you
know, tendencies that as we grow and develop, we get them under control, are the fury,
we can feel the anger, the vitriol revenge, these qualities that are human, but we want
to understand them in ourselves and understand when they come up and know how to monitor
them and not just explode out without any reflection on what's coming out of our mouth
or how it's affecting someone else.
We made the point to about feeling safe and I just wanted to mention, when you have
a classroom, if a teacher has a classroom of kids and bullying is allowed, then nobody
feels safe in that room.
And I feel that way on the national scale too, if you, if you have a society where people
are treating each other with this much unkindness, lack of compassion, disrespect and without
any sort of interest in listening and compromising or resolve and complex, I think it has a terrible
effect on the population.
And I think part of what's happening with the explosion for Kamala is there's a big
sigh of relief going on, like maybe it doesn't have to be this way, maybe things are going
to actually turn around and become more civil and that there is kindness.
Yep, I love that there is there is a radical joy, there is a shift and Nancy, I want to thank
you for joining us tonight.
Thanks for hopping on the phone when the, when the internet went down.
We appreciate you, listen, or stay with us.
This is busted pencils fully let it education talk more when we come back.
It's going to be awesome.
We're going to talk about this radical sort of shift in things.
This joy and this opportunity to reclaim political discourse and to make bullying and
vitriolink which is intolerable.
All right, this is busted pencils fully let it education talk, educated educators talk
in education, you've just had the amazing national treasure.
Dr. Nancy Carlson paid for our monthly segment.
What would Matt Damon's mom say?
Well we got to hear what Dr. Nancy Carlson paid to say about the moment we're in about
the important work that early childhood educators are doing out there not only around
healthy conflict resolution, but around making sure our language represents the actions
and the way we not only want ourselves to be treated, but how we want to treat others.
Right, I think that's sort of that golden rule that exists in many cultures, treat others
as though you'd like to be treated.
And I think this is really important.
However, we've pulled that rhetoric politically, especially in this country, really far into
a low moment.
I think we're coming out of that low moment where we're starting to say, hey, certain things
just aren't acceptable.
And it's not necessarily about taking a high road or there being a low road, but it's
about speaking in a way that's representative of the kind of differences in conflicts we
want to have.
We want to have generative discussions.
We want to disagree and be better and stronger as a country and as a community, as a result
of that, of those differences, not weaker, scared, inferior, and harming one another.
We always say as humans, we have great capacity to do good for one another and ourselves.
We also have great capacity to be pretty awful towards ourselves and each other.
What do we want to practice?
And repetition and language is a part of that.
And so the more we practice, and that's connected to our lesson, 20 lessons from the 20th century
this week, professional ethics, the more we practice, generative language, really being
able to listen, being able to express humility as a strength, being able to focus on, especially
on a political level, the duties and the roles, the responsibilities of our leaders, focusing
on that, and the energy of being truly a leader of the people.
And I like that.
I like the energy coming.
Speaking of being representative of the people, I sort of ended the last half hour of the
show.
We were really talking about the excitement of the upcoming election, a reinvigorated
energy.
Right?
And so I want to remind listeners, Wisconsin listeners, especially the fall primary election
is August 13th.
If you're listening outside of Wisconsin, you've also got primaries and elections that are
all so important to not only the presidential election, but all of the electoral processes
that are contributing to our democracy.
So make a plan to vote in this and every election.
Do your civic duty to find out what's on your ballot and where to cast it.
You can go to myvote.wi, that's myvote.wisconsin.gov, myvote.wi.gov, and you can find out more
about exactly where your ballot gets cast and the choices you have.
I mean, it's really important to be an informed voter.
Now, speaking of being an informed citizen, I think, Justin, we still have my guy LA Tom
on the horn.
We sure do.
Come on, Tom.
How you doing, man?
Hey, Johnny.
I'm doing okay.
Number one, I hope everybody votes no proposition one and two in Wisconsin.
So you're going to have more of a power grab by the legislature and trying to take power
away from the governor and instead of Wisconsin, so that's both no on both referendum that
you can't even understand what you have a lot of degree, what it means.
Number two, as a member of the LGBTQ plus community, we have been called weird.
We have been called as a noun, as a noun, weird.
We have been called every name in the book, the password, the this, the that, everything
you can think of, women have been called certain things.
We're calling the behavior of what the Republicans have done in calling all of us certain
words and actions that they have done as strange or weird.
These are, sorry, Tim Walls said it best and he is someone that can speak to that rural
America and I grew up in that town of 2000 in Wisconsin.
These people are weird.
When you have 34 convictions, when you have a rapist, when you have a guy that's saying
that people that don't have children are a certain way, I'm sorry, these people are weird.
And I think there's a difference between that type of weird and using it almost as an adjective
versus using it as a noun like they do.
And I think we're just all sick and tired of it, our side of the ledger of always Lucy kicking
the football, putting our best foot forward, doing everything we can to get along.
Meanwhile, you watch what happens as the Republicans get closer where the election is all of
a sudden closer and closer in the Senate in the House and which I think they're going
to take over.
First thing they're going to say, why don't we be a little bit more bipartisan?
That would be the words that they use.
Tom, thanks for your contribution and truly, I like Tom's clarification on that and that's
sort of entangent to my apprehension of like, let's be really clear and I'm going to even
move it.
I'm going to challenge us to say, let's replace, I totally understand and I get it and
I think in every right especially like representatives of the LGBTQ community or anybody who's been
put down as weird when they're when they're truly not acting in any hostile, dangerous,
harmful, hurtful way, right?
This is what I would push us to call these behaviors of not only Donald Trump, but of anybody,
any politician who's expressing hostility, who is proposing dangerous, you know, policies
for humanity, for inclusivity, for our communities, for our economy.
They are hostile, dangerous, harmful, hurtful and that ought to be the fringe, not the norm.
And the use of the language that I would say is the political violence of the right and
oftentimes and too often, I think Nancy spoke to this, it's become normalized.
It's become the rhetoric of politics in this country.
And so reclaiming it a bit, not, not being, you know, soft, not soft-shoeing it, not,
not saying, hey, let's all get along, let's say, let's be real direct, that we ought to
not accept hostile, dangerous, harmful, hurtful, vitriol, you know, name calling language,
put downs, ways of harming one another.
We can stick to the facts and Tom, you remind us and it's important listener, I know you're
thinking it too.
As we move into this election, every election, even local elections, we're going to see
a shift and you have an opportunity to be a voter and to put into practice and to regular
practice and policy in our community, you have the opportunity to bring, you know, strong
leadership in, leadership that's not hostile, that's not dangerous, that's not harmful.
And that ought to be the baseline, the professional ethics of politics in this country, it isn't
right now and we need to push hard and not pull any punches too because it is really
important to acknowledge what L.A. Tom shares with us tonight and often that we the
people, right, are the government, we are the country we want to have.
So we need to be putting our best foot forward like Tom reminds us and we're sick and tired
of the football for to use that metaphor being pulled out of the way as we run up to kick
it, not to be the baseline.
So let's reclaim civility and that doesn't mean not disagreeing, but that means having
a generative conversation around things.
So on that note, you know what that bell means every day here on Busted Pencils, same time
every day, the bell rings as true as it does to start the school day, which by the way
is happening all over the country pretty soon in a lot of places, it's soon to be back
to school, but that means democracy and action on Busted Pencils.
Tonight's democracy and action recognition, it goes, yes, it does, Dr. Nancy Carlson
Praige brought up the Gen Z voters and yes, all generations of voters matter, but man,
I got to say today's democracy and action goes to all those Gen Z voters who registered
who are energized, who are excited, who are, I recently got to be at a chapel, Rome concert
and see so many young people out there saying here are the things we that matter to us and
that energy is evident in the rise in registered voters and the voice coming from Gen Z around
the core democratic values of equality and diversity.
Remember in a strong democracy, equality is a value where everyone should get the same
treatment regardless of where their parents or grandparents were born of how they identify,
their race, their religion or how much money they have, every single citizen, all have political
social and economic equality, and that means that we value difference, difference in language,
dress, foods, how we choose to present ourselves and engage with one another, where our parents
or grandparents were born, our race, religion, they're not only allowed, but they are accepted
in Gen Z voters, you're our democracy and action today because wow, the message you are sending
is that those are two core democratic values that you're excited about and that you see
as important to your futures and we're here to support it, folks, it's an exciting moment,
appreciate collar, Tom, this is Busted Pencils, fully-ledded education talk on civic media,
listener, if you want to join the conversation 8557524842, welcome to give us a call and
on that note, we got Joanne, caller Joanne, with us on the phone, let's get Joanne on,
Jess. Great, great discussion, just a quick follow-up on how to treat bullies, I've written
an article on this and what the research, the research says there's no one accepted
way to do this, every bully is different in different ways and it may be that we were
able to teach formal president Trump a lesson by using that word weird and he went back
on various talk shows and on social media to say, oh, I'm not weird, I mean, it hit him
in some way, that we as civil people were using this word against him and he had to figure
out what to do. Now, whether or not that teaches a lesson that is going to go on in time,
who knows, but it's difficult to deal with bullies and we shouldn't beat ourselves
up because we don't know the exact way to do so and just being simple very often doesn't
work. Very often, punching a bully back in the nose in the same way that you got it and
I know that the Christian ethic of turning the other cheek doesn't apply here, but occasionally
that works. I mean, it just works and the bully moves on. Most bullies are serial bullies,
I don't want to get into the article and all that, but the notion of curing this bully
is very difficult, but at least you could teach the bully a lesson and perhaps for a
short period of time that bully will move on. And again, thank you so much for this amazing
discussion.
Love it, Joanne. And I'll just say on the air, Joanne, if you can share with producer Jess
that article, I'd love to read it and I'd love to also share it with our listeners because
Joanne does it.
Yeah, point out. Yeah, it's on cyber bullying, you know, how to treat bullies online, which
is a huge issue for anybody who teaches because a lot of this stuff goes online. So thank
you again.
Yeah, thank you, Joanne. Thanks for calling and thanks for sharing your expertise because
that is something we do here at Busta Pencils, fully let it education talk, educated educators
talk and education. Joanne is an educated educator sharing her research. So we'll get
that for you listener and we'll all respond to that in a sense is it's important what
Joanne brings up because I think that's really important. Every teacher knows this or ought
to know this, but I think a lot of great teachers do this. We know that we have some authority
in our classroom and it is our responsibility as the adult as the leader, right, not to
not to look down at kids or to not empower them as we really want to bring them into having
equal voice, but it also on our shoulders to be representative of what that space looks
like and what's tolerable and what's not. You have to be both empathetic and firm and
Joanne reminds us of that that there isn't this way to sort of soft smooth everything over
and just say, Hey, let's all talk nice. Sometimes you have to put your foot down and you have
to say no, that is not how we speak about one another towards one another and that is not
the best representation of who we are as human beings in community with each other. So
you have to be firm and I always strive on that empathetic, but firm, this is busted pencils
fully let it education talk on civic media. Stay tuned. We'll break it down when we come back.
And we're back. This is busted pencils fully let it education talk educated educators talk in
education. This is Dr. Johnny Lupinachi here with you tonight producer Jess on the boards.
Down on a night of guests and callers listeners. We appreciate you. We were just giving big shout
outs last segment to the Gen Z voters and all those Gen Z you know citizens out there who are
energized and sending a clear message right that they have something to say about the kind of
country that they want. Excellent excellent stuff from our listeners tonight. Thank you L.A.
Tom. Thank you, Joanne. Any time, especially Joanne, we I really am interested in your article.
If you can email us at busted pencils at gmail.com that's busted pencils. One word at gmail g ma i l dot
you can reach us there and send us that article. We'd love to share it with listeners and
love to build on it because as caller Joanne said cyberbullying bullying you know there isn't this
exact like silver bullet. There are things though we can do so so love that research send in
it our way. We'll talk more about it. We will certainly even Joanne probably have a show on it.
We'd love to have you back on as a guest and know we've done that once before but love it again
especially on these topics and especially educators out there you're like me you're
gearing up and getting ready to get back into the classroom I know I'll be back with my students
and just really kind of almost about 10 10 12 days from now will be in the classroom I'm excited
so there's the energy there's a buzz I know every single parent out there in teacher if you're
like me you're also avoiding that that that you'll walk into any store and it's back to school shop
and everything so you know you got to gear up on supplies you got to get ready for the school year
hopefully you're getting those moments of rest and relaxation in those moments of summer that are
also important to the balance of a full year and so the development of all of our children that
they get plenty of time to play that they get to be children that's something we've talked a lot
about and the importance of having a childhood I know to preview a little bit we'll have
teacher Joanna and teacher Haleana on Wednesday who are regularly saying to us guys remember
as an educator we kind of also be in some way in not only engaging and and you know at the level
of respecting young people but we also got to be sort of protectors and advocates of childhood
it's a really important stage of development for all of us and for too many children they're going
through adverse experiences that really robbed them of that of that childhood of that important
you know time of development so we're getting back to it the fall is soon I don't mean to be
producing any unnecessary anxiety but I'm excited we're getting back into the classroom soon hey
voters though can't emphasize this enough I know LA Tom brought this to brought this up
vote in every election but Wisconsin the fall primary is August 13th make a plan and vote in this
in every election do your civic duty again if you need to find out what's on your ballot wherever
you're at you can do that easily right you just kind of connect to your internet or get with your
local voters unions and they'll give you lots of information on where to know where to vote and
to know your choices to know your options being informed voter certainly Gen Z is telling us
they're informed voters I'm excited about that that's a theme from tonight I'm quite excited
about also want to put a big shout out to our monthly special guest the honor it is to have Dr.
Nancy Carlson Paige with us drop in mad knowledge and experience from her vast credit to her
teaching career and all the work she's done in education great to have her on the night not only
talking politics but talking about that that the work that teachers are doing and that that young
people are doing in preparation of being civically engaged so that's really important stuff love it
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right and i can't remember that and it resonates with me i was big uh you know big fan of
the grassroots organizing we did as young voters for Obama when president Obama was organizing
and remember democrats out there it wasn't quite a sure shot road to him running for president
we did a lot of organizing a lot of collective voicing that we wanted something different
that we believed in difference and that we have the kind of representative leader
that we hoped could run for president and we made that happen and that's the kind of energy
that i'm excited about and i see it in that in it's mimetic of my experience as a young voter
but also when i see this generation of new voters in droves registering when they had said very
vocally before you have not presented us with an option that we see much of a future in and they
were even talking about you know yeah whatever with this election because we're already planning
for the next one that all that energy is now tilting the scales and and you know part of a massive
shift and i feel it i hear it you know we're experiencing it and i hope listeners you all are too
it's an exciting moment and american democracy um and that's always nice coming off some really
low ones so we appreciate you hey tune in tomorrow we got a great show it's our rethinking
school spot and we have the amazing educator time marshal coming in tomorrow to talk about the new
and upcoming you know publication from rethinking schools tune in and hear what time marshal
educator extraordinaire has to share about their classroom and their upcoming publication with
rethinking schools this is plus to pencils dr john elupanachi will catch you tomorrow you know where
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