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Thank God, it's Busted Pencils Friday.
The whole gang's all back tonight, too.
Dr. Johnny Lupinacci, I see them there.
People watching.
Yes, it's 105 degrees, and where Johnny's happy,
you would not know with him wearing his hat that he has on
for those of you watching on the Facebook, the X-Feed,
the YouTube feed, you're like, wait, it's 100 and what?
And he's wearing a knit cap.
Oh, yeah, well, you know, I don't have much up top there.
And it's a little chilly with the AC cranked,
because I'm over here by one of the vents,
and I'm indoors, and I rarely have to run it.
Most of you can get away with just opening the windows
at night here, because out of town, for a while,
as you know, wasn't on the show with you, Tim.
Yeah, we know.
We miss you.
With some exciting and fun live on location stuff.
Yes.
Talk a little bit about tonight in the recap of the week.
Well, yeah, man, it's a little chilly with the AC crank
and the coolest place down after having it closed up.
Oh, I'm going to say, do you want to reveal
that the setting you're at right now,
or you want to just tell people you it's really low?
You're AC setting.
Oh, I got, I mean, it's been gone for a week.
I got that thing at 52.
I mean, at least a few hours.
To cool off the place, man, otherwise we'll shut off.
I usually keep it much higher.
But if you see Johnny, if you've got anybody watching this
dream, and yes, that's that's Johnny's breath coming out.
Man, hey, you know what, though, Johnny Lupinachi,
just turned it way down and let it crank for a little bit.
Let it go, bring it down.
Bring it down to where it feels nice and comfortable.
So you can get some good sleep in your own bed.
Johnny, you know, one of the great things I said,
I was in Madison.
Jess and I got to meet for the first time too.
First time for everything awesome.
And you know what we did?
We went to the Monocle Brewing Company's tap room in Madison.
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And yes, Johnny Lupinachi, it was Tim, Jess,
and producer Aaron was there too with us again.
Aaron's promise.
We had, and we went across the board, three dark brandans.
Yeah, they had dark brandans still.
They didn't have the whole.
He didn't, he didn't change it over to hope yet in the tap room.
So, no, just out on the resale and on the online.
Also, I saw Tim for you, man,
that they're doing a lime sparkling water.
It, nice.
I know, I was not going to.
That's there when you were there.
You come out afterward.
I don't know.
I think I did see that in the fridge,
but it was one of those things where I'm like,
okay, this is going to be a night
where I'm going to allow myself to just slowly enjoy a beer
and have an a beer.
And that dark brandans was delicious.
Jasmine loved it.
No, I order it.
It gets delivered to me in Washington.
Oh my gosh.
My favorite Unoco brew, I get it.
I love it.
I actually haven't had a dark brew locally that compares.
And so I order it and, you know,
Kirk and company ships it out here.
And I get my dark brand in which now will be hope brew
when I get it.
And I'm excited.
Because Justin Tim, I've been, you know,
even though I've been off grid, I've been following.
Okay.
I'm excited about the energy that's still rolling.
Let's go.
Let's keep the rolling.
Yeah.
It's that you've got all that going,
okay, just got to remind people though too,
and boy, because we did this at the Wisconsin Public Education
Network, Johnny reminding people,
they're like, where do we listen?
Where do we listen?
And we're like, hey, you know what?
If depending on what city you're in,
there's a terrestrial radio station here are the call numbers,
but the easiest thing, download that civic media app.
I don't know, Jess, we showed people,
we took their phones for them and helped them hit that app store
and had them down.
We helped a couple of people download the app.
And you know, you're always going to get fantastic sound quality.
And it is the easiest way to participate in the show.
Absolutely.
And people were so thankful.
So if you're out there going, hmm,
I should download the civic media app.
Is that what you're saying, Tim, Justin, Johnny?
Yes, that's what we're saying.
Gotta remind too, because if you're ever in Finland,
like our listeners in Finland,
you can listen when you're in Finland.
Antarctica, Jamaica, wherever it is that you want to go,
Johnny Lupinachi, so it is teach.
He might be at the France and the Paris Olympics.
Hopefully you're not swimming in the scene and the same river.
Why?
Well, they've, it's, there's got a little too much,
you know, cookie yucky in it right now.
I don't know, there was swimming in it today, I watched.
Well, there was one, I guess I saw the,
you know, one of the videos of one of the swimmers
that I guess wasn't supposed to leak out,
where he kind of got out and was losing his lunch.
Oh, maybe, maybe the lunch losing was not related to potentially
stopping and, okay, but I don't know,
I watched the whole special though about a week before the Olympics
and it was really, it was toucher go on whether or not they were going
to actually swim in that river because every day or even three to four
different times throughout the day would come back as ready to swim.
And then a couple hours later, come back as, yeah,
you don't want to get in there right now.
That's fine. Let them go. Let them rip.
It's triathlon. I think I saw today that they were,
they were in the water and if there's any athletes that can handle a
little bit of of a rough condition, it's probably the triathlon triathlete.
It's exactly when we watch Olympics too.
It's means lots of good, lots of good energy.
And there's also a lot of difficult stuff still going on in the world.
So it's great to be reconnecting with you too and,
and recapping the week and checking in our listeners.
Seen where we go from here, but you know what TGI BPF?
There you go.
Oh, it brings with it, Tim.
Yes. Yes.
I come to really look forward to every Friday because I don't just learn
something new. I get to bring with me some Tim's trivia into the
last week. Yeah. Well, do what you say.
Would you like me to last week a little bit of hint to this one?
Maybe not as complex, but it's probably hopefully going to be for a lot
of people going, I did not know that.
And that's this type of Tim's trivia this week.
I will start with saying it again, we're always doing American history.
Just putting that out there, you know, some of the things that you think you
learned when you were in those 5th grade, 2nd grade, 7th grade, 8th grade,
sometime in high school years, maybe even in college, if you went to college,
you know, they asked you to remember a lot of stuff.
This is going to be one of those, Johnny.
So we're dealing with one of the most important cities in America at the
if you found at the, ah, at the founding, dealing with the 13 original
colonies. Oh, wow, the 13 original colonies.
What was the most important city at that time?
Seen subjective. Yeah, it was just about to say based on I hope we hear
criteria. Oh, there's a criteria here. When I say I'm kind of I'm hinting
going at what I'm saying most important.
It's there's also a designation with that, but as you think back to colonial
American history, 13 original colonies, city, what city had the most
prominent feature named for at that time?
What's the name of the city and what colony, which would come on go on to be a
state, obviously, the 13 original colonies.
So city and colony state, most important in enduring the colonial through
the revolution in those years, though, but you just let it rip.
But we said, I probably give callers a chance to do this before.
Yeah. So I'll just one should be this seems like a no brainer to me.
You think I think so too.
I think it's a no brainer, but I have a feeling that a lot of people,
and this is why we do want you to call just the number.
If you put up for me, because of course, I Johnny, my ability to remember 857524842.
It's the number 857524842.
Yeah, city and colony state, most important colonial American.
colony became a state was colony that became a state at the time.
But you know, this is right in that 1776 in through the 17.
Older confidence is going to is going to serve me a dish of humility.
I feel like I'm I mean, I put my answer into the text chat to you, Tim.
You don't have to say whether it's right or not.
Let's give callers a chance to to text in or call in because this is a fun one.
This is a good one, Tim, because it might not be the obvious that I put in there.
We got Jim from Apple, Tim, who says Philadelphia and Pennsylvania.
Oh, look at that.
That's different than I put, but I just went on my gut.
Like right away, boom, let me land it.
Um, we'll see, we'll see.
But we got one from Jim from Apple, Tim.
What do you think?
Hey, you know what?
And we're going to, I'm going to hold on this one, give people a couple, a couple, you know, attempts to come
at that and not going to reveal yours though.
Johnny Lupinachi, you know, you've got one up there.
Good, I make sense.
There's a whole lot of logic behind your city that you picked.
Um, I think a lot of people may lean that way.
Jim, interesting thinking about that, you know, remembering
back Philadelphia, what was going on?
Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love.
And no, again, for Johnny's first guess, it was not Detroit,
because Detroit was not part of any of the most important city.
So we want the, I know that's why I say it's most important city, eight, five, five, seven, five, two.
Oh, yeah, tell, tell our family eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.
Is the number, um, Jim for Apple, Tim, hold tight.
We're going to give a few more, you know, a little more time to let a few more people call in.
It doesn't mean though that if you're possibly right, you won't be given credit
as being the absolute first one.
However, if somebody, yeah, jump in, let us know.
Most important Jim from Appleton, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Johnny Lupinachi,
a logic guest, thinking about the colonial American history and prominent
important cities during that time, definitely a logic guest there.
And no one's going to, you know, take anything away from that.
But that's Tim's trivia.
Johnny, we said, I don't know what it is.
It's out there folks.
Let's go back.
You know, a week in Wisconsin, which was great live, live from the state street
studio Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, jet, Jess on the boards in the Madison studio,
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Jess, how about Tuesday show, Johnny, you know,
what time we were, you know, what time we were ready to go though.
One, one second before the show started.
That's what that's way.
Yeah, we were ready at six, oh, six p.m.
Why I just download the show because I was out of, you know, in rural Montana,
the north part up there, almost on the Canadian border.
And I take a trek in every once in a while to, to satellite Wi-Fi and download
stuff. And I downloaded the show both nights later and got to listen.
So I got to hear you guys.
You wouldn't know the energy is like great stuff.
We'll recap because I want to ask a few questions from both your experiences
with the WPE and at their conference.
When we get back, folks, stay with us because it's going to be awesome.
We're going to continue to recap the week and hear more from Tim and Jess about
the conference earlier this week.
Stay with us.
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Oh, every night, anyway one.
That's the way to be the anyway one.
But baby, hold tight.
Any way one.
That's the way to be the anyway one.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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It's busted pencils Friday, Tim's trivia is out there.
Important colonial American city, the most important colonial
American city at the time, city and state and LA Tom on the line
right away talking about the, oh, he had the appearance of 45 LA
Tom, we did into this tonight.
I figured we would.
All right, LA Tom.
Talk to us, man.
I want to say that I love Johnny's.
Beam, Beamy's got on there.
The pink thing.
I love it.
It's awesome.
I just wanted to give you guys a little bit of knowledge that you
maybe you've missed and since this is the school of house rock,
I'm going to call it busted pencil.
First off, people don't realize that in that interview the other day
with Donald Trump that he was acting like a 10 year old or younger or 12.
But he would not go on stage unless because they were going to fact check
everything he said.
And he was not going to go on stage because of that reason.
That right there is disqualified him from being a candidate for the president
of the United States.
So what he did is they were going to come out and say, OK, Donald Trump is
not going to let us fact check him.
So this is over.
That's why he decided to come in because he didn't want to make even a
morsel fool of himself.
And what he did is he was blaming them for being a late,
which can sometimes be a racist type of thing and their equipment not working
and all of that stuff.
The truth was he did not go on that stage right away because he did not want
to be fact checked in real time.
And I think it's very important for the American people to know that.
Tell me Tom.
So on that one, I wondered about that because yeah, he was really making a
big deal about the fact that well, you bring me here and don't bring me out
for late, I think he kept saying like 30, 35 minutes, you make me wait.
And LA Tom is saying that it wasn't that he was having to wait.
There was a, I guess maybe a little scuffle about the fact check because I do
remember the, and I can't remember the, the hosts who introduced it, but they
actually did announce by coming on and saying, you know, there will be live
fact checking as we go.
Jess, you saw that too?
Yes, I have an Axios article that I will link into the podcast on this.
But that is as far as I can tell exactly what happened.
It wasn't that the audio problems were a big issue.
There's a statement that says that there were some audio problems, but they
were resolved really quickly.
The bigger issue why it was so delayed is because Trump was refusing to go
on with the live fact checking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, typically whenever I give a public speech, I always check to
make sure there are no fact checkers around because, you know,
the, how ridiculous is that?
I did, I, I know, I was talking, you know, again, it doesn't, you know what?
Slap with Johnny ever, never lands with John.
I mean, I miss it all the time.
But I hear rumor says, you're like, just out on the streets, where it is,
it doesn't quite hit on radio the same way it does in person.
So Tim actually does believe facts are important.
And I would say most of us who speak publicly, certainly not as much as someone
running for president, but you know, in a leadership role or in some kind of
authority, we speak on the things we know about and we're honest about what we
don't know about and we share facts to the best of our knowledge.
It doesn't mean we're always right.
Sometimes we have to go back because we learn that we were wrong because
occasionally you get fact check that's part of the system says, hold on.
I don't think you got that right.
Right. And you, and you got to be able to make sure you can, can, you know,
walk it back or correct it if you know, or use the best information you have.
And what, you know, LA Tom reminds us is this is a guy who cares nothing about
those facts and cares nothing about telling the truth.
We know that it's a compulsive liar.
And it's okay to say it's not even calling names here or anything.
I'm just, I'm going off of facts.
And that that is actually one of the most important parts of not only
being a public speaker or a part of media, but especially in a role of
leadership and government, right?
We talk about it on here all time, core democratic values.
And in fact, last week's 20 lessons from the 20th century was to, you know,
not just go all in on something like to stand up for things to not just
surrender early.
And this is a great example of that, right?
When the, when the, you know, the organization said, no, actually,
you're going to have to be fact checked, you know, and there's a little bit
of a tantrumming about that.
We have to dig in and say like LA Tom says, this is important to point out
because the American public, no matter where they, they plan to vote or how they
plan to vote, they need to know that the person that they're voting for is
willing to work from facts and truths.
Otherwise, you have a government that lies to you.
And that's not a democracy.
That is in no way a democracy by Republican party definition or democratic
party definition.
That's just terrible leadership.
And so we need more of those Washington posts put out a full analysis of
the lies, the blatant lies that Trump told at the NACG, NACG, CJ.
I can talk seriously.
And you got it, you got it.
And they, they awarded him four full Pinocchio's for that appearance.
Well, I mean, now I was going to say, if you listen to that, I'm almost
wondering if anything he did say had any, it's almost like we should be doing
a truth check there because that might be more interesting to find out is
you know, whether he actually said anything truthful in that because it was
just, you know, horrible.
I'm going to say in the word that's sticking with him, I can't use it.
He is weird, man.
I love that he's a total weird dude.
I mean, the hands are moving the story.
The wrong thing weird though.
I've just put that out there.
I like, I like, you know, I'd give fair to where, like give credit, where
credits do you, you could be a little weird.
You could be a little different.
That's okay.
We like that here.
Remember, I'm okay with that.
You could be a little weird, but please don't be hateful.
Please don't be intentionally dishonest.
You know, please don't, don't, don't represent values that go against
democracy or human rights.
We could disagree on things, but those are things we can't, can't have in our
leaders.
I want to join the, yeah, I'm weird, man, because I can do a couple of weird.
I know I was talking a couple of weird, but you're making me weird in the
right way.
We're weird in the right way.
And in fact, yeah, I want to say, I mean, make, you know, you know,
making me think though about this one as you're saying that is is that,
the way you are very truthful about the analysis of Donald Trump there and
saying, you know, in fact, he's very dishonest and all those things, the
categorization that has come up over, you know, the, the past week of this weird.
In fact, if you say, what is the contextual definition of weird being
used to describe Donald Trump, the Republican party at this point in time,
JD Vance would be is that weird is kind of substituting for not truthful,
farfetched, fantastical, ridiculous, um, um, insulting racist.
And so weird is kind of starting to encompass that.
That's the way I'm starting that to be.
And I know that's the colloquial use of a good, no, it's not, it's not,
it's not like that, but I think that that's it.
I don't know.
Call us back though and see, you know, if you're weird, we want to hear from you.
Let us know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is what we do, encourage those teenage anarchists.
We let education talk, educated educators, talking education, 855752, 4842, TGI BPF, thank
God it's Busted Pencil Friday, the whole team is back, Johnny Lupinachi, Chess on the
boards, Tim, where he's typically out behind the microphone in his home studio, it is TGI
BPF, and it's Tim's trivia, I'm going to give one more opportunity for people to answer
Tom from New Berlin, we've seen your answer in there, Boston, Massachusetts, Jim from
Appleton, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Johnny Lupinachi, I'm not going to reveal which
yet, we're going to keep that secret, you know, you can see that out there, but the most
important city in colonial American history during the American Revolution, it got that
distinction, a very unique distinction, when I say most important, not a subjective call
there on that, it was actually something we can say about this city, and then I think
it's going to be one of those ones where people were going to say, huh, I didn't know
that.
I think I'm going to get a dish of humble pie on this one because I don't think you
have to worry that it's not a humble thing, I think it's one of those, you know, you
got, you got to just, you know, whoa, who knew that, because there are all kinds of little
like those kind of like facts, like did you know, yeah, did you know, like fact, hey,
Johnny, you were talking about, you know, what Jess and I did last week at the Wisconsin
Public Education Network, and what we did earlier this week, yeah, this week, that's right,
it made it feel like because the airplane, we, we went to, you know, so Wisconsin Public
Education Network, their 10 year summit, they have been together for 10 years, bringing
together public education advocates, activists, that's teachers, there's parents, there's
legislators, they're all there from all over the state of Wisconsin, all on the idea of
being there to advocate and to make sure that public education is of the utmost importance.
And all of those supporters gathered together to come and walk away from that with new found
energy to advocate for public education and to have lots of new knowledge. And so they
have a session kind of like an academic conference where people can pick and go to and hear
experts talking about something that is, you know, really happening in the state of Wisconsin.
And typically, if it's dealing with public education, it's probably happening in your
state too. So I, Johnny, I know, I'm going to ask the question you want to know. So what
did I do? I went to, yeah, Wisconsin Public Education Network session on the science of
reading and, yeah, and, and guess what? It's a disaster in Wisconsin too. The only thing
we pointed out is that Wisconsin has a little bit of leeway because of one state legislature,
who was actually in the session, was able to get a little bit of wiggle room in there that
teachers have a little bit of more of an option to pick multiple curriculum, as long as it's making
the, you know, the science of reading, I pointed out in Ohio where I'm at and lots of other states,
there is no choice in curriculum. If you're off of the state's curriculum provider, you're in
violation in Wisconsin. They don't have that. But we did find out, Johnny, in Wisconsin,
three queuing is outlawed. So Johnny, when you're reading that book and you're reading an
award about an elephant and there's a big picture of an elephant right there, we are not going
to point out that Johnny, what is that picture of? Because that would be a violation of the science
of reading. Well, Tim, last, I love this and love that you're highlighting it because last week's
20, our lesson of focus from the 20th from the 20th was, you know, don't obey in advance.
I don't submit to these kinds of, these kinds of authoritative, you know, impositions,
like you're an expert, you're an educator, you're an expert, you understand what children need
to learn to read. And you know that it's different child to child. There are some, there are some
tools we bring to teaching reading. And one of them may, they might call it those that three queuing,
right? They might call it that. And of course, it's going to get outlawed in some places. It's
going to get banned. But you know what? Good teachers don't obey in advance. And I got to be
spending the last couple of weeks with a bunch of teachers because we're getting ready to go back
for the fall and we're getting that, that R and R in and outfishing a golfing just out talking
about, you know, being a map teacher or being a reading teacher, being an elementary teacher,
being a school principal. And you know what they kept saying? The more and more of these
curriculums and these strategies that are imposed, they just aren't working. And you know what they're
doing? They're doing what they know works and what's best. And so I give a big hats off to
teachers that don't obey in advance, you know, and you and the leaders, the learners,
leading learners that were spending time, you know, sharing those stories, strengthens that,
reiterate, for all those books out there listening, don't obey in advance. Do what you've been trained
to do. And that's be a great teacher. If you need help or information on how to do that best,
probably don't turn to your legislators, turn to those experts. And we're here educated educators,
not just Tim and Johnny and Jess here, but you know, the guests we bring on and the research,
the actual scientific consensus, I learned, read, not the marketing branded science of reading.
Love that you got to get that support, build that solidarity, Tim. Jess, favorite moment from
earlier this week. Uh oh, you know what that means in the middle of flying and out about
favorite moments from Tim and Jess. And then conference, the bell rings and what the bell rings
every day to let us know is democracy and action every day, right? We have a democracy and action
recognition. And it's lined up with core democratic values, right? Today's democracy and action,
right? It is without a doubt, okay? This is where I'm going to go with this one because this
this isn't the shocker truth, right? And you know who it is? This is an opposite one. It goes to,
it doesn't go to, you know, truth doesn't get acknowledged to presidential candidate, hopeful,
you know, former 45th president for avoiding truth. But we'll award that recognition to,
you know, the facts that LA Tom shared and that Jess kind of kind of doubled down on,
that the organization hosting him required fact checking. Because truth, I said at the beginning,
this is something that government and citizens should not lie, right? And it's a core democratic
value that we hold and honor the truth, hold value and honor the truth. So that recognition
goes to every organization that stands firm about fact checking and every organization and every,
you know, qualification that says, you must share truthful information, right? That's important.
It's a core democratic value. It's today's democracy and action. You don't have a democracy
without valuing the truth and holding that as a standard. That said, back to this,
yes, can we hear your, yeah, yes, one, but Jess, your highlights, your moments from earlier this
week, WPE and 10th anniversary and their conference. Really, really cool moments. I'd say,
first off, just the energy that everyone had, everyone was so ready to get to work. Not just to
talk about what needs to be get done, but they were making the connections that they needed to
make. They were advocating for what they needed. And they were getting things done. The session
that really, really stood out to me most was there was a session about a part of the Inflation
Reduction Act that gives cash reimbursements to schools for implementing upgrades and infrastructure
that are more, blah, blah, blah. Why can't I talk? Climate, climate controlled.
Yeah, getting these into more climate friendly. And it's not, you know, it doesn't give the money
upfront. Schools still have to front the money. And then they get a reimbursement. It's
listed under a tax credit, even though schools don't pay taxes. But it's this really, really
amazing opportunity that is non-competitive. And these funds are available until 2032.
So I got some fantastic information. And I made some connections that hopefully we'll be getting
some people on Bust of Benzels. Do you talk about? Because that was what I said out to me.
That's that person might be the Mandela Barnes who ran for the then it against Crazy Ron Johnson.
Maybe, maybe, maybe Jess. Yeah, sure. Just jump through all of the new ones and the
team. Oh, no, teasing. But I just people won't, I bet though that's a name that a lot of people
are going to come to learn because this is a person who's going to be truly making lots of waves.
But Jess, yeah, the idea here, so the way you explain it to me is this is, I hate to use this,
but this is free money for schools. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and free reimbursement, you know. Right,
I mean, they have to make the upgrades and the changes, but the money is there to do this work.
And so, and for public schools, always, you know, again, underfunded, defunded public schools like
they are, the ability to get some help at, you know, upgrading anything to for the climate control
is super, super, super. Okay. Tim Stryvia, I will tell you this, give you one more hint.
Pennsylvania is the right colony in state. Philadelphia is not the right city.
Philadelphia is not the right city. And this is going to be, I will tell you that Philadelphia had
the honor that this city that I'm talking about had. But it is not Philadelphia. In fact,
Philadelphia came after this city. Philadelphia came after this city. I know. You're like,
what in the world is he talking about? I know what, you know, I thought about that.
I mean, you were a social studies teacher in Pennsylvania. I love this.
This is one of those ones that does relate to where I was a teacher in Pennsylvania. So there's
another hand if anybody wants to look. We're all off. We're all off. So it's still out there for
the taken. I mean, I'll let it rip. Now I went really confidently and early with Boston and
Massachusetts colony. And that makes sense, right? When you say most important city in the colonies
at that time, right? Somebody's like, oh, it's got to be somewhere in Virginia. It's got to be
somewhere in Massachusetts. My gut instinct is James Town, Virginia. But I couldn't
get you a solid reason why. Well, because James on is the first settlement, successful settlement of
the the 13 original colonies. Yeah, 1607. The James Town settlement is established. And from there,
now we're talking about the it collapses and then moves inward to Williamsburg, Virginia,
which then keeps that movement. But is the without that first James town. Yeah, James Town.
That's the first successful colony of the English in the new world. And I got to make those
statements too like that of the English in what they called the new world at that time because
there were other colonies and other things beforehand. Because I can hear one somebody going,
well Columbus was there in 1492 and you just said 1607. Okay, the first permanent English settlement
in what they called the new world at the time. And again, even the new world is a misnomer.
I don't know. And just though, for the Wisconsin Public Education Network listener that's out there,
you have a suggestion to see about a little rebranding maybe? Yeah, let's just make it whist pen.
Whist pen. Flows off with tongue easier. Sounds nice. Whist pen. W-P-E-N-W-P-E-N. Whist
constant pen. Whist pen. We can just call it Whist pen. I mean, that still means the same thing
with the public education network. I love it. Whist pen. And also the connect the dots for a listener.
This is like we have the the honor of having a Whist pen gased monthly.
Yes, we do. They're always accompanied by the brilliant Heather DiGlobo or name. We love
having Heather on the show. And we actually Tim, you and I got to be live with Heather before
a Madison. So, you know, whist pens are regular with us. So yeah, they are. Not to that along.
And and the W-P-E-N can be Whist pen. Henceforth, declaring it on a Friday here.
L-A-Tom Whist pen. L-A-Tom threw out a little stab. I don't know if I'm going to put it out there
right now just yet. We can look at this one though. He's a little bit cautious on that.
L-A-Tom, I'll reveal that. But again, most important city, the city was in the the what would become
the state of Pennsylvania. We're talking about that. The answer is not Philadelphia. However,
Philadelphia would go on to get this title. So what city had this title? And I say most
important, that should be lots of great hints going out there. The number 8557524842,
you can give us a call. I tell you what, anybody calls you still have an opportunity
to get the answer right. Yeah, more when we get back.
I love that. That's what we do. I think we do that all the time. Any way you want it.
Yeah. Busted Pets was fully led at Education Talk. Educated Educators talking. Education.
That doesn't sound like Journey. It's not Journey. It's Rise Against. However, Journey did do it
first. Steve Perry was the singer. Tim Micoworth now singing there. Yes. All right.
The question was, Tim Stryvia, the most important city in the colonial America at the time,
got it down into the state of Pennsylvania, the colony of Pennsylvania. Philadelphia was not the answer.
Tom from New Berlin, love this. Try to use my knowledge and not the internet. So thank you
teachers. Tom from New Berlin, thanking teachers out there. All right. The answer is
Bump of the bomb. A little town called York, Pennsylvania. York, Pennsylvania was the capital of
the United States for nine months from September 30th, 1777 to June 27th, 1778. Therefore,
York is given the distinction as the first capital city of the United States of America. It went
on to then be Philadelphia. And then, as you know, it didn't stay Philadelphia, moved out into
what is not what we call Washington, DC. But the first, and I grew, and I didn't grow up in
York, but that's why I taught my second teaching career, teaching fifth grade was in York,
Pennsylvania. And it was something they were very proud of that York, the city of York,
was considered the first capital of America. So there you go. All right. I learned, I'm still
slightly skeptical on how first capital means most important, but I see the inaction. I see an
argument to be made for, you know, for, you know, you know, you know, why I did that. Well,
you know, I did that those because what what Tom from New Berlin said, though, because if I had to
say name the first capital of the United States, that's just too easy of a Google search to get that,
you know, so I like it. We'll give it to you. It's Tim's trivia. It's called Tim's trivia for a
reason. And, and you get to, you get to, you get to run the show. It's good. We'll accept it.
It's a good one. So no winner today, but at least we got the answer. That's twice now winners,
because we all learned that's twice now. We didn't have someone, someone get it. I think, right?
Well, well, here's a bonus question. Well, bonus question. What famous candy came out of York,
Pennsylvania? Well, we know that's peppermap. Oh, no, slam dunk. Hey, I got, I got a question
for you, though, you know, as we're thinking about this, and that's Friday. Shouldn't we get into
one of our Friday stalwarts, our regular events?
I'll take that as a yes. That's that's the noise I was looking for, because every Friday,
we bring in 20, 20 lessons from the 20th century, right? Built from Timothy Snyder's work,
really helping us navigate the rise of authoritarian governments, not only here in the US,
but around the world. One of those lessons, and I think it's applicable for this week. I think
it's applicable all the time. That's why these are great lessons, but especially for this week.
And remember, last weeks was do not obey in advance, which we love an example of
all the teachers and folks out there who are saying, you know what, whatever you impose,
we're just really not going to do because we actually were trained to be strong teachers,
and we were taught how to teach children how to read and how to get our information from research
and apply it in our classrooms. And we're going to do that anyways, regardless of what you tell us.
But the fifth lesson that Timothy Snyder shares is 20 lessons from the 20th centuries,
to remember professional ethics. This is different than when someone says, hey, use your manners.
This is remember professional ethics. We talked about truth. We talked about the importance of fact
checking. We talked about governments should not lie, nor should the citizens,
but remembering professional ethics, whenever a political leader or somebody in the public spotlight
sets a negative example, it's our opportunity to hold professional commitments to just practice
and to be above that, to make sure that we hold a standard that it becomes important
to hold ethics. Ethics exist beyond the law, beyond lawyers. We don't need the government
to ensure those ethics. We the people and and those members of the government ought to be
remembering and applying professional ethics, right? One of the things to remember,
lessons from the 20th centuries, authoritarian governments, historically and contemporarily,
now, right now around the world, but they rely on obedient civil servants. They rely on people
interested in cheap labor. They rely on real low speaking of one another and the devaluing of one
another and the conflict and the chaos of that. So remember professional ethics. We can muck it up
and we can joke about like, hey, something's weird or hey, somebody's despicable or deplorable or
you know, I proposed that the adjective mouth decent, right? But also, we got to remember our
professional ethics. It doesn't necessarily means it's always got to be the high ground,
but we definitely want to set that standard around truth, right, around humanity and around maybe
sharing a beer with our guy Aaron and the other good folks in Madison and at civic media, right?
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week. You too, awesome. I'm your own work. Loved listening. For listeners who didn't get a chance
download the podcast from this week, give it a listen. It was awesome stuff looking forward to
chopping it up with you next week. Yeah, we are and tell you that week too. Just a reminder,
yeah, the new Madison superintendent we interviewed. We had guests from Madison teachers
incorporated bird zipper. Just great. And Jess can't wait till we get some of the spot interviews
that we were able to get for all of those people that were at the Wisconsin Public Education.
Early next week, we'll have it. Early next week. It's York, Pennsylvania was the first
capital of America before Philadelphia, Philadelphia, and then to Washington, DC. That's so much there.
And I tell you what, guess what? Monday, just a little anticipation. What would Matt Damon's mom say?
Oh, love it. Yes, it is. Dr. Nancy Carlson pays will be back in the house. Everybody else.
I know it's the first one day of the month. Everybody though, before we get to that Monday,
have a great weekend. Check you later.