This is Busted Pencils, fully-ledded education talk. Here are your hosts. Dr. Tim
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Yes it is. Busted Pencils fully-ledded education talking, educated educators
talking education right away, TGIBPF, Johnny Luponacci. Yes it is. Thank God it's
Busted Pencils Friday. I do not know where these days are going. Holy crap we
start off the week, me and Jess. Here we are Friday already. What in the world is
going on? I think part of it has to do with all of the excitement that has just
lit us on fire. Yes President Biden, you know, passed the torch over to
Kamala Harris and that has just generated, as you point out Johnny, just you
didn't even see it coming. This enthusiasm that this has brought to us. We keep
bringing it every night Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday, especially if
you're listening live on the radio. But Johnny, if you're not listening live on
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shows that are podcast to make sure you do not miss any part of this. And I'm
going to admit this here too. If you want to see our faces and I'm a little
embarrassed because my father told me about watching us online and what he
witnessed and he witnessed something, I'm going to admit I did. But this is one
of the problems with not realizing you're on video. I know it's I'm typically a
radio host, right? And I'm thinking and I'm not thinking about this. But when
you're on video on Facebook, like we are on YouTube, like we are on X, like we
are, people could watch us. Johnny and my dad said, you know, you might not want to
pick your nose when Johnny's talking. Oh my goodness. I thought he was going to say
I was. No, no, yes, yes. He's like, no, yes, yes. I'm like, oh, man, dad, did you
he goes, I'm just saying you probably when Johnny's talking, you might want to keep
your hands down. Like, oh, so there you go. That's truly bonus content as we keep
talking to people. Is there behind the scenes? If anybody saw that episode, please
don't call in to tell us about it because I already got it from my college so I can edit it.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, you know what I'm you know what I you know what I have to go back
and correct as I talked about this a couple of shows ago. And and and I loved this beer when I was
in Madison. I was down to Monaco Bruno. Oh, yeah. And I had and I had a, you know, a dark
Biden, you know, dark brand and it was dark brand and beer. I don't follow this name stuff,
but you know, Kirk down at Monaco Brewing Company is an excellent branding, you know, genius with
this. And he had a dark brand and brew that is now a hope brew, some drink and a hope brew
night here for the show tonight. And it's a good man. It's a good and I and you know, and I got
to say that that's authentic. It's good beer. But in addition to that, we're friends with the
Monaco Brewing Company folks, you know, busted Spensel, busted pencils is excited, you know,
and honored to be sponsored by Monaco Brewing Company. Their big time advocates for public schools
in Wisconsin. And they're right there with us Tim connecting strong public education to a
strong democracy. And we're going to talk more about strong democracy tonight. But Monaco Brewing
Company is making Wisconsin great one beer at a time. Check out Monaco Brewing Company doc. I'm
going to see where you can buy their progressive beer. And Tim, I'm going to tease it right now.
You're going to be able to have a Monaco Brew next week. And we'll get to for listener out
there. I wonder, wait, Tim's going to be a Madison life. He sure is. And I'll let him tease
tease that for now and tell you more details about it later on the show. So stay tuned. Stay tuned
Tim Friday TGI BPF, right? TGI BPF. And man, you know, what I've come to really love about
our Fridays. Yeah. Oh, man, trivia. And I look at Tim's trivia tonight. We're going to have
some Tim's trivia. There it is right there. Okay. I got a lot in there. Okay. And then trivia is
not going to be at what point in time and what episode did Tim pick his nose? Not that kind of
trivia. No, please. No, but we definitely got some bonus trivia. I'll give you a hint to
the trivia. We're going to be talking about where are we going? We're going to be talking about
drainage when we're dealing with. Oh, my goodness. trivia. Yes, drainage. Who knew that and
founding fathers and drainage? Little bit of a hint right there about where the trivia is going.
So anybody who's in the swamp, drain the swamp. Well, you know, thinking about it, you know, so
founding fathers and drainage, those are your clues to the trivia question. I'm not going to put
it out there whole, wholeheartedly, yet just give some people that opportunity to get those wheels
grinding, you know, those mice in the head spinning, whatever it is, you have up there,
the nog in the noodle, get it charged up, or if you're throwing it into chat GPT or Gemini or
Claude, whatever you want to do, or if you're throwing back a whole group or if you're throwing
back a hope brew. No, the hope brew though, too, that's a special mixers. That's just the brand
it's the dark brand. It's a rebrand of dark brand and it's just as good. All right, nice. I love
that. And again, the language, hope, hope. That's what we, you know, and we felt that I think that
that's what we've been saying this week is is that there's this genuine sense of hope that has come
over and people are like, well, you know, wasn't that happening with with President Biden?
The answer is no, it wasn't. It wasn't. It was the contrast of going, oh my god, anything but
the Trump administration. And yes, if it's President Biden, we're going to vote for him.
But there's no excitement and the hope was there and it felt desperate. And now Kamala Harris
stepping in as the presumptive nominee again, still not officially yet because we have to have
a convention where she gets all of the nominations and she proudly accepts the democratic nomination.
But here it is. And we're going, wow, what a week. So Johnny, you really had that sense of
surprise that you were going to feel like this. Well, no, I mean, we kind of knew this move would
happen. And we talked about, I mean, you were surprised about yourself and how this lifted you
in a way that you weren't, you weren't ready for. Yeah, I was surprised. I'm surprised by the
energy. And I'm excited about it, the reenergizing, not so much of myself, but like, really with
everyone I talked to you who have been really gloom and doom for maybe too long. I won't even
admit how long, but really kind of met about things and not too optimistic and literally overnight.
And that just took, it just flipped. And it was good. Like sometimes you need a swift kick in the
rear. And this kind of move I didn't know was going to be that kind of that boost that, you know,
that shot in the arm that kick in the kick in the behind. It really was. And wow, people are
energized. They're excited. The buzz of talking about politics. Yes, we talked about small talk
being really important in last year's 20 lessons from the 20th century. We're going to get to
next week's this show. So stay tuned to that as well. But but last week's was, you know, a small
talk. And the small talk has been around politics and it isn't about gloom and doom. And it isn't
the kind of, I'm tired of this. Although it's true. So I don't want to belittle it. I'm tired of
what are we going to do if Trump wins? Oh no, it's so bad. Project 2025. Yeah, it's terrible. It's
not new, right? The Heritage Foundation has been putting out policies like that forever. But it is
especially scary and dangerous because they have always put those out, but they've never had as
much influence on a potential presidential cabinet on administration. And so they would have that
with Trump. And so all of the small talk around politics, you know, and small talk isn't always
politics. It's sometimes just a just a welcoming hello or how's it going? But you know, the small talk
is bled into politics in a way that it felt almost taboo for a little while. Felt too gloomy,
too attacked, too, too connected to bad feelings. And I was pleasantly surprised and energized by
the buzz that's going around in all generations. So around folks who are a little older, around folks
who are a little younger, you know, I kind of right in the middle on that. And they're all talking
and their eyes get big. And they're like, Hey, what do you think's going to happen? This is
exciting. So man, I'm excited, you know, I'm excited, too. And what going to that? There was an
article. I think it was in CNN, not sure for exactly, but they were talking to some older
voters in Pennsylvania and kind of getting their feeling about this change. And Johnny, just to
highlight, you know, to emphasize your point, these are people that really did identify with Biden
and said that during the time up to the move of removing him, they didn't feel good the way that
it was happening. They didn't like this. But then all of a sudden, now that Kamala Harris is in
it, they've got this renewed excitement. And they themselves were saying, wow, I didn't realize
how much energy I had lost on president Biden, not that I didn't support him, not that I didn't
wish him well, but that the energy that Kamala Harris has now brought to even these older voters
perspective. And I got to bring that all the way down to my daughter. And I have been having Johnny
those small conversations around Kamala Harris. Guess what? You know what? I am all now learning
into being what it means to be brat, you know, because in my daughter and for me that, but I
didn't have any right to know that yet, because it was something that her generation owns.
I love this, Tim. And I got another one for you. And you can run this by your daughter as well.
Are we ready for feminine nominon? Oh nice.
feminine nominon. Well, I'd like to know, like see if you can figure out where that's coming.
I just like that one. But Tim, before we get too far into things, because I'm excited about
another thing too. We had a guest last week Thursday, Randy Winegarden. And man, you know, it's
it's no secret that I'm a union kid. I'm a union guy. I'm a blue collar scholar. I like being
in a union shop wherever I'm at. It's been been a stalwart of my whole life through the ups and
downs because just because you're in a union doesn't mean everything smooth sailing, right?
That's the thing. Democracy is messy, but it's so important. And I was stoked to hear the things
being said from the AFT conference. So we're going to get into that tonight too. A little bit
more from the exciting stuff from busted pencils. One of our favorite guests recently, Randy Winegarden.
But before we get into that, Tim, you know, man, we got to get to Tim's trivia.
We got to get to the mic trivia. Okay. Here's the question. I'm going to put it out there right
now. What founding father had his hands in flexible drainage systems? What founding father had his
hands in flexible drainage systems? And if you know that one, I'm going to tell you this too,
it's to get this question. You got to get two parts, the founding father, but then you got to
expand on what we mean there. So it's not just right in. It's so and so. Okay, that'll get you
halfway there. We want to know more what founding father had his hands in flexible drainage systems.
It's busted pencils fully-ledded education talk, educated educators talking education. Yeah,
when we come back to let's hit a little bit of Kamala Harris at the AFT conference. Listen a
little bit to that. So stay tuned Kamala Harris AFT conference and Tim's trivia when we get back.
There we go, busted pencils fully-ledded education talk, educated educators talking, education,
TGIBPF. Yes, thank God. It's busted pencils Friday. Tim's trivia. The question out there,
the number though, 8557524842, or we'll take it, you know, you can text it into either through the
Facebook, through the X, however you want to do that. But what founding father had his hands in flexible
drainage systems, that's the question. The numbers 8557524842, Johnny, talking about last week and
again, the excitement going in with Kamala Harris. And then a great guess we had actually a week
ago, AFT president Randy Winegarden. And just though, we got, we've got to hit that Kamala Harris
at the AFT convention about what we do and what they do. So just ready for that? All right, let's play
that. While you teach students about democracy and representative government, extremists attack
the sacred freedom to vote. While you try to create safe and welcoming places where our children
can learn, extremists attack our freedom to live safe from gun violence. They have the nerve
to tell teachers to strap on a gun in the classroom. While they refuse to pass common sense, gun safety laws.
And while you teach students about our nation's past, these extremists attack the freedom to learn
and acknowledge our nation's true and full history. Including book bans. Book bans in this year of our
Lord 2024. And on these last two issues, on these last two issues, just think about it. So we want
to ban assault weapons and they want to ban books. Can you imagine? There it is, right there.
Johnny, you hear Kamala Harris there. And I think, you know, the pitch obviously her audience AFT
mostly teachers, even though we've cleared up that the AFT also represents more than teachers.
But boy, coming out that the the attacks that we've seen over the past 18 months on teaching truth,
you know, history, the attacks on what they say, critical race theory would really turn into going,
we don't want you to teach about the truth set of America that we would like to forget about.
Sorry. Yeah. And then again, you know, when it comes to this reality of what kids fear the most,
the idea that kids truly think about daily when they're in class, you know, whether there's going
to be a school shooting and the reality is is that we're trying to ban assault weapons and trying
to put that in their banning books. Just again, the contrast that Kamala Harris did there in front of
the AFT I think was so powerful. Oh, yeah, I agree, Tim, 100%. I mean, that's the kind of contrast
that we're we're talking about here is really focusing in on that, that kind of the history of things
into this contemporary moment, like really the juxtaposition of the choice that's before all of us,
right? We have to gather that information. We have to take it in. We have to decide like, yes,
we do have to have some regulations on things. Do we want more regulation on books or do we want
more regulation on like assault weapons and school shootings, right? I mean, these are these we
shouldn't make light of them, but you almost they're almost comical in terms of they are they couldn't
be like further opposites, right? In taking this country in opposite directions, stronger,
safer, right? Or, you know, more chaotic and dangerous, like how do we how do we make that
choice? You know, and I said that in past elections too. And so, I mean, it's just really important
that energy I've been talking about, the way that both Kamala's bringing like to these, these,
you know, these situations, but also her endorsers, the way that they're speaking really clearly
and matter of fact about not only what's on the line, but attaching that what's on the line are
these things and then fill in the blank, right? I think that's been that's been the shift we've
needed in American politics. And I'm glad it's here. I hope it stays there, right? I really need to
ride that all the way all the way through November and really into like the next decade. When I
get out of American politics really needs to be about strengthening change, about really recognizing
all of the different ways we come together for the common good in our community. And that's
embracing that thing there. We say it. I'll say it openly, Tim, I know you and just both our
supporters, many listeners out there listening to us support this, but we got to be really,
really direct about it. The change is about valuing and supporting diversity as a strength in
all the ways. Diversity is differences that make us who we are. They're the condition of
difference by which everything exists. You don't have democracy without diversity, right? Diversity
exists without democracy, but it suffers, right? And people in communities suffer when we're not
valuing diversity. And so when I hear that and the dialogue coming from the endorsers of Kamala Harris,
I hear that from Kamala Harris and I hope we continue to contrast that with the opposition. But really
more so just thinking about the momentum we're building into the next decade that this country
can choose to have ahead of it. I, you know, yes, right on all of that stuff. And just thinking
about those two coming back to our Kamala speaking to teachers there and just making that contrast.
And it made me think about L.A. Tom last night saying, you know, he was concerned potentially that
teacher Joanna teacher Halley, you know, it might be a little bit more critical and pushing. And
I think pushing in this is, you know, right, the way Kamala approach teachers in that speech,
let's continue that Harris team, bring that forward because we're going to push you on that
because what you said was so powerful and so profound. And that's when you hear teacher Halley
and teacher Joanna going, I'll wait and see, you know, I'm a little bit excited. But you know what,
when it comes down to public education, it comes down to teachers. When it gets into the thick of
things, they're saying, hey, occasionally or not a case and maybe more often than not,
this whole teachers and public education thing kind of takes a back seat. And all of a sudden,
it's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now that doesn't mean that the contrast of the
Republicans is something that they're cheering for. But when it comes to dumb Democrats, Democrats
over the years have not really made teachers very excited. In fact, they have largely, in one way,
sold a lot of what we do in public education out to the right for profit for a lot of people that
didn't have your kids, your neighborhoods, your teachers, best interests at heart. So we're going
to bring that back right there. Hey, nobody on the trivia yet. I got to put it out there again.
What founding father had his hands in flexible drainage systems. The numbers 857524842.
Justin, Johnny, you're trying their best to kind of see if they can get at it. I don't know,
just using a little, a little help there, not artificial intelligence, but something else. So
it's busted pencils. It's fully-led in education talk. Educated educators talking education.
Yep. When we get back though, little breaking down what it's been all week. And if you can call in
first person, stay tuned, answer next segment.
Oh, my fingers don't move that fast anymore for the guitar. Busted pencils fully-ledged education talk.
Educated educators talking education 8557524842. For those of you watching on the video screen,
no, I am not picking my nose, but just can see that I have my headphones displayed the way she
likes to see them. My left ear gets really hot. And so I got to give it some breathing space.
My left ear too. It's never the right one. It's always the left one that's getting too warm.
It just gets too hot. So welcome back, busted pencils. All right. Let's put it out there again.
Tim Struvia, what founding father had his hands in flexible drainage systems? I will admit that
between Johnny and Jess, the answer in our little private chat, they did come up with the right answer.
And they did also identify what that unique thing was. What about you out there? I'm going to
throw another hint out there. Pain and stone. Yeah, that's good chat. Can you ask a chat bot and AI?
You could try, but I'm going to say that this has a lot to do with the removal of pain and stones.
Pain and stones, founding father, flexible drainage system, pain and stones. There are the hints
out there. We'll let this one float a little bit longer before we take this. And Johnny,
back to vice presidential, though, comparisons we started doing last night, because that is the talk.
Who is Kamala going to choose? We laid out Josh Shapiro yesterday, my boy from PA. And we're like,
yeah, no, not feeling it from a from a from a public education standpoint.
Huge supporter of private vouchers, particularly vouchers that have no accountability and charter
schools that have no accountability to the public that funds them. So Josh Shapiro, it doesn't mean
that he doesn't have a lot of stuff going for him. As you said, Johnny, you know, first of all,
Pennsylvania, you electoral state. And pretty much a rock star in the state.
Oh, but hasn't signed any legislation. He has declared support for vouchers in theory as something
to help support some very specific situations. He has not signed any legislation having to do with
vouchers. He has increased funding to public education. Yes, he has. And you know why he hasn't
signed any legislation because they thwarted the legislation that he agreed to sign, which was a
pro voucher legislation. That legislation did not make it to him. That's why he didn't sign it.
So there are a little bit more little bit more on the facts. You know, but in your time, and I
know Johnny, Michigan boy, big gratch keeps saying we're going to do a little comparison too, because
I think Gretchen Whitmer, we said that the double, you know, gender to women coming at this will
be powerful. But you know, there are people out there who's names have been floated. And I floated
this one earlier in the week, Tim Walls, Minnesota governor, a couple of people are like, well, what's
he all about? Like, why is he popular? And I caught, I caught him on MSNBC with Jen Pasaki today,
doing some chatting. And I was like, man, I kind of hear it. Just in fact, we have a little bit of
that Tim Walls audio, specifically dealing with your vouchers. Can we, let's play that for
everybody? Yeah. So a little bit of context. The question is JD Vance sort of presents himself
as representing middle America. But what does he get wrong about middle America? Pretty much
everything. And he profited off it. I'll start out with is he misreads this in hillbilly
allergy about this some type of cultural angst or whatever. No, we're angry because Robert
Barons like him gutted middle America. They took our jobs. And then they try and tell you that
school vouchers are the thing to go on. Look, I went to a high school, 400, 400 people in the town,
24 kids in my class, 12 cousins, Ed Pebble was my government teacher. He did a hell of a good
job. And look, you think you're going to build a private school in the town like who's going to
pay for it? You know how this works. They pull the money out of the public schools. They stick it
in the private schools for vouchers for people are already going there. JB Vance knows nothing about
that. Hmm. And we'll say I didn't actually speed him up. That's just the speedy talk set. Yeah,
I mean, he was, he was ripping through his words, man, ripping through his words. And I say,
most I've heard him speak actually very slowly in the past. And so I was kind of like,
whoa, he he just like threw that out there seemed very unrehearsed to the point where it truly
came from the heart. And the reality there too of putting in that perspective of which we've
done here on busted pencils, realizing that man, rural schools, a lot of places, Wisconsin,
we know this that the push to get rural schools and Wisconsin to accept vouchers.
Ha, they've been holding them back. The push in Tennessee. They've been holding them back,
Texas. They've been holding them back. The reality here too, where we hear Tim Waltz kind of
laying this out is is that where do private school vouchers end up going? They never go to the
rural districts because we don't get that type of help or that sense right there. You know,
and the money typically goes to people who are already in private schools. And so it actually
bleeds money out of those rural schools. I'm feeling a little bit of Tim Waltz right now thinking,
maybe this guy has something going for him.
Well, Tim, that's the bell every day on busted pencils. That bell rings and what happens. We
go right into democracy and action. Oh, Tim, it's a tough one this week. There's been a lot of
really good examples of democracy and action. And I have to tell you, as you sent me all these,
like these, these bits of information and just coming in really great with the information too on
these VP for the Democratic Party hopefuls. They're like, let's dig in. Let's look at who's who
and kind of have sort of our prospects and favorites as we had in one thing across all of them.
And I did hear it too when you were just sharing our fellow from Minnesota. I really hear this.
And I think it's a good example. So today's democracy and example goes to all these people in the
Democratic Party who are hopefuls, who are busted pencils prospects for possibilities to be on
a Harris ticket. I hear them all representing the importance of diversity, differences in language
dress, food, where parents or grandparents were born, race and religion are not only allowed.
But they're accepted as important. We're talking about moving it into an era where difference
is valued. And that is that ought to be a baseline. But that's one of the core Democratic values.
To me, it's a condition upon all of our existence in health is diversity and all of these candidates.
For the most part, and we'll get into it. There are some that do this better than others,
but all of them valued diversity. And that's of core Democratic value. That's democracy and action.
So tonight's democracy and action, you know, to wrap up this week of them is going to all these
prospects who in their work and in their daily life value diversity. It ought to be the bottom line.
But you know what, in this day and age, it isn't because I will tell you what, I don't know many
running, especially on the Republican ticket that I can say that about. And that's not me just
picking on Republicans because you know what, I want Democrats to be held to the same kind of
scrutiny that we're holding the right to. I just think if you're not value in diversity,
boom, out of the way this country has had an interaction where we're going to be stronger,
healthier and better for it. I would say, yeah, and there it is. Busted pencils fully let it
education talk, educated educators talking education, truly on that one too, Johnny,
playing that out the diversity. And I always appreciate the connection to that a strong democracy.
Is absolutely contingent on diversity. And I would say, you know, the contrast that you
quick, good direction. I've got to interrupt you because because diversity is a condition of
difference upon everything exists. Right. So democracy, a strong democracy is a wave organizing
so that we can value that existing condition or we can ignore it in less democratic
government forms or ways of organizing. So it's there whether we organize in support of it or not.
You can't eliminate it or we wouldn't be here. Right. There is no such, it's sort of like saying,
do we value clean air? Right. The air is there. But what we do and how we live, you know, it really
adjusts that. So diversity, sort of like one of those games I often play when I'm teaching,
like put diversity and democracy together in a sentence. Right. And that helps us really remember
that diversity is a condition of difference that exists. How we as communities of people organize,
say it be democratically offers us the opportunity to value that condition upon which we all
exist. And like you said, the valuing right now that we at least hear coming out of the democratic
parties, we can hear that. And Johnny, you point it out. You hear it, man. I say, you hear it, you hear it.
That's a direction we can go. That's a baseline agreement that I think builds solid
area that LA Tom Collar talked about yesterday that Randy Winegarten talks about being important.
The unity in the solid area as we move forward and we hold people running for office in this
country accountable by record. Right. What did we contrast that? We the voters look at it closely.
Right. And we don't just fork over our rights. We say, this is what we believe our is an important
way to be. We're going to organize democratically. We're going to value diversity and so much more
that comes with that. We own that and we move with it. We roll right into November that way and
right into it. I'm saying at the next decade of politics in this country, you said the contrast
right now. In fact, the Republicans are absolutely attacking diversity. In fact, even making the
comment with Kamala Harris, the DEI candidate. I mean, the reality that they're putting forward
their Johnny is saying, no, diversity. In fact, they're trying to pitch diversity as a weakness.
And it's just like, okay, you know, you might have had a little bit of a time there where you have
this kind of rambling around diversity, equipment, inclusion. That's still pushing back on them.
Going to like, when you hear the way you explain it, Johnny, the conditions, the conditions,
diversity is a required condition for life. It's also manipulative to their own advantage because
ask any one of those people who tell you diversity is a weakness, ask them if they're willing to
share their portfolio, and then ask them what kind of portfolio they have. And the very first
answer they ought to have, unless they're, they're, they're not wealthy and they're interested in
the Republican Party for some reason, is they're going to say, I have a diverse portfolio or ask
anybody in a rural community about the importance of not monocropping.
But ask any, like, these are, these are, these are every way as we can have, every day,
ways we can have conversations that help reclaim diversity from the rhetoric of saying it's weak.
That to me is a sign of either manipulation or disinformation intentionally trying to make
something seem not value-vers valuable or strong to us. And, and, and I just think we're headed
in a different direction. Like that, that myth is, is busted. It's long, you know, long gone.
Myth-busting. Yeah, it happens on busted pencils fully-ledged education talk,
educated educators talking, education. Oh, Jess, yes, reminding listeners, it still is TGI BPF
Friday, which means it's Tim's trivia. What founding father had his hands inflexible drainage
systems, ah, putting out their pain stones and Jess, I'll throw out that other hint. A little
personal plumbing, potentially, there is another hint to put forward out there.
Founding father had his hands in a flexible drainage system dealing with stones and pain
and personal plumbing. Man, putting it out there a lot, we're going to hold this too and we're
going to make sure. But, man, we got to get some answers on this one, Johnny Lupinacci. You know,
I mean, this is where, although we said it's, it's a beautiful Friday, though, I get it, you know,
I think right here today, it has been a long time coming. It's like 75 degrees and sunny with a
breeze. You know, right now, I would be, yeah, if I wasn't here, I'd probably be, you know,
outside sitting in the back deck enjoying myself on a wonderful Friday evening, but we still have
the trivia. It's still out there. Jess, Tim Walsh, though, hey, before we go into break,
I know we got another segment. I oopsed and didn't see that we were going to play that little bit.
We have time to play this before we got off into commercial. But he went to the neighbors.
Middle America, you earn it, but you know what? You're not on your own.
Neighbors help neighbors. And I will, this one bothers me. I heard you talking about punching
back at the bullies. They see people less fortunate escape goats and, you know, punchlines for their
jokes. We see them as neighbors. Right there. Talk about busted pencils. We're always talking about
your neighbor. My neighbor sometimes, too, he's cranky. But man, I am always here to support
my neighbor. Busted pencils fully let it education duck 8557524842, founding father, flexible drainage,
personal plumbing, stones. Stay tuned for the answer when we give.
With my anyhow, this is the same old story of God. I've been getting what?
Sit down.
With my anyhow, this is the same old story of God. I've been getting what?
Sit down.
Man, some hard coming back in there. Busted pencils fully let it education talk.
Educated educators talking education. If you're like, what is that music? That's
seven dust. Yes, we got to promote mine, people. Seven dust. And that is a rendition of schools
out. You can check it out. Especially at the end of the show, you get a little bit more of that
busted pencil. So always trying to bring some of the music. Johnny Lupinacci, okay.
School's almost back in, Tim. I know. I know.
Stuck it up that summer. We always say those schools that, you know, at the end of our show,
though, and this is why I love that song, though, it works out because we, you know, kind of
think about busted pencils, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. It's kind of like,
we're in school here. Not schooling the Johnny that Lupinacci doesn't like. But this is,
you know, schooling around what we wish and what we value and how we see what schooling and education
could be. It's educated educators talk and education fully let it education talk.
Nowhere in that that we talk about schools because schools too often about, you know, the
sitting here to ask, don't like, like, don't look at the answers at the back of the book. Read
the chapter and then answer the questions. Get ready. Get your pencils sharpened because we got
a bubble test coming up, right? That's too much of the want, want, want that schooling. Right.
We're about educated educators talk and education with a whole lot of educated folks out there.
And what we know schools have done is done a great job of separating people out who believe that
they're educated just because they went to school. And there are people out there who think
because they didn't do good in school. They're not educated. There couldn't be a further thing
from the truth. We are all really important. All of your voices matter. And that's what we're
here talking about. How do we figure out better way to support our public education system?
Education. So that we can liberate education from the throws of schooling. Right. And so that
doesn't mean schools and schools get better. And we believe that's possible. We wouldn't be here
chatting it up with you all, right? We weren't talking about this on a Friday afternoon.
I'm sitting on the beach, man. Oh my god. They're just laying in the sand. But now I'm here because
I believe that public education is the better rock of a strong democracy. And we are at a moment
where our democracy is getting stronger. And that's a that's a powerful moment. And I'm here for
I'm glad to be here with you Tim and Jess just saying. That's a poll. That's a poll statement, man.
Because even I'd say we've been worried about democracy. You just put out a very positive
bold statement there, Lupinaji. Yeah. Man, you liberate education from schooling and
democracy's getting stronger and stronger. And I hear that because I hear lots of conversations
that are about being educated. And I don't mean like because you did good in school,
you got a great great great on a test. I mean, because you're taking in information,
you're processing it. You're thinking about it. You're developing how you feel about it.
And you're connecting those towards there. We say the common good, right? Core Democratic value.
You're thinking about what does this information do to make myself and my community better,
right? And that's when I when that's happening to him, democracy's getting stronger.
Love it. Community-based public schooling. Truly the foundation of democracy. All right,
John, I'm going to put this out there. We're going to let this question sink. And the answer's
coming in pretty soon though. What founding father had his hands in inflexible drainage systems
dealing with pain and stones and personal plumbing? That's the question out there. The numbers 8, 5,
5, 7, 5, 2, 4, 8, 4, 2. Not going to hold on much longer before we reveal the whole story
behind flexible drainage systems. Yeah, well, I got you Tim. I got you. You hold on to Tim's
trivia listener. Come on. You still got time to get in and give an answer. But while we're waiting
for Tim, let's go into Oh, there it is. Oh, I love that man. I love that music.
You know what that means? 20 from the 20th century. 20 lessons from the 20th century.
Timothy Snyder, he outlines these. And I think they're incredibly important for the time.
And I want to say that next week's lesson from our guy, Timothy Snyder, who gives us 20 lessons
from the 20th century in his book on tyranny, right? Here he goes. I like this one. Lesson one.
Listen to it. Do not obey in advance. Most of the power of fascism, authoritarianism or,
you know, in the power and weakening democracy is actually freely given, right? In times like these,
it's us, the people that need to think ahead about wanting what we want more from our government.
And we have to talk to each other about what repressive or authoritarian or anti-democratic
government wants and will be like. We need to be really clear, right? That we will not hand over
democracy. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do. And in fact,
L.A. Tom calls any of mine. We the people. And I mean that that emphasized that we will not fork
over our power in advance. And as we roll into the summer and as we roll into the election this fall,
it is on us, right? The people to be really clear about what we want and to talk really openly
about what will come if we vote one way or the other. And that's really, you rarely catch John
Lupinacci talking in an either or. But that is what this is about. And I'll remind us we have to be
able to not fork over the power in advance. Very seldom are fascist governments taken violently.
They're often given to the powers that have them. We're not going to do that here.
It's busted pencils fully. Let it education. Man, somebody, South East Ohio,
King hate vans pretending to be my folk in it. Peace me off. Love you guys, though. Hey,
I hear you, man. And I know that. I saw that. I saw that area code. I'm like, that is Southeast Ohio
right there. Jess. I know it came in on the Madison line. Tim Sturvia. Okay. What was it? Man,
Benjamin Franklin and the flexible catheter. Who knew that the catheter even back then they were
doing the catheters. His brother, John suffered immensely from bladder stones. And the only way to
relieve the pain of a bladder stone was to catheter up into the bladder to allow the urine to come out.
Oh, speaking of that. Yeah, speaking of that, Tim, thanks for dropping it, but speaking of it,
I told you I threw back a whole broom and not what brewing company coming through big time.
And in fact, as soon as we go off the air, I got to do that catheter free. But that's part of it,
man. So Tim Sturvia tonight, all the great things. Listeners, been a week with you. Appreciate you.
We got special things live from Madison. Tim next week at the wash or the Wisconsin public
educator network conference. Stay tuned. We'll see you next week.
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