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Hey, oh, happy Monday.
It is, Tim.
It's good to see you.
You're going to have to give us an update because I see for our folks
who may be also tuning in on the streams.
Yeah, a little bit of a different background.
We'll get to that in a minute.
But, man, what a weekend.
And I'm sorry to say not the best of weekends.
I hope folks had a safe and enjoyable summer weekend.
But I know every single one of us
as citizens in a democracy are like, oh, my goodness,
low moment in American politics.
It was a, it was a doozy of a Saturday.
Yes.
I'm going to go to information since we were kind of glued to it before
because it was already a bit of a whirlwind.
Tim, for folks tuning into the stream,
before we get into any other stuff, where the heck are you, my guy?
I am, I am literally outside on my front porch
with a little bit of daylight on the StreamYard app,
not the Civic Media app.
If I could use the Civic Media app,
I would absolutely be using the Civic Media app.
For sure.
To listen, you know, in fact,
anybody out there download that Civic Media app.
But I'm on the StreamYard app because we just had a,
what they call here in Southeast Ohio, a microburst,
which was 70 to 80 mile per hour winds,
for a sustained time of about 32 seconds,
long enough to wipe out the electricity in my town.
So here I am, cell phone, StreamYard app,
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coming to you because I know doing busted pencils Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
is an absolute necessity.
And unless that little microburst would have taken out a tree
on top of the house, of course,
I will be here with everybody, Johnny Lupinachi.
Yeah, like the postal service through rain,
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Man, Johnny, Wisconsin, talking about it, you know, weekend,
we're going to get to all of these things as best we can,
kind of bring them back to education,
but, you know, a horrible weekend.
I think you pointed out.
And today, though, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
the start of the Republican National Convention,
make sure to stay up to date with all of what's happening
with civic media coverage of the RNC,
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Actually, Johnny, right after this show,
you can tune in for an update for it.
It's Wisconsin primary election is also August 13th.
Just make sure you put plans on that.
RNC National Convention in Milwaukee.
You see a lot of protesters out walking around in Milwaukee
at the same time too.
Saw that on my news and Tim,
proud to see that at, you know,
there is always a role in a democracy for dissent.
But Tim, I got to ask you,
what's the difference between dissent
and the chaos of Saturday?
Put you right on the spot because.
Man, you did.
You put it right on the spot.
And I want to get with processing and expressing dissent,
like disagreement.
In a peaceful,
but even through civic,
if so,
be to insist not the same.
As kind of the chaos of Saturday.
What what do you think?
What what's going on?
I well, it's one of these things.
I mean, we'll talk about it, right?
There's an assassination attempt on the former president,
President Trump.
And so there's this sense that maybe,
you know, I guess we need everything to stand still,
but the reality is,
is that the relative,
the Republican National Convention
and their platform and their Project 25
is still intact.
And so the idea that that is going on,
well, first of all,
that is democracy,
their convention.
And the fact that people in the Milwaukee area are protesting,
they're also going forward
and making sure that democracy doesn't stop in times like this,
because that is one of those fears,
potentially,
is that, well, I guess we should not do what we're supposed to do,
which doesn't make any sense,
because hey,
if you're out there protesting,
if you're out there at the RNC convention,
each of you is doing what's required
to participate in a democracy in Johnny.
And I think that's encouraging,
given what happened on Saturday,
that people here on Monday can say,
you know what?
We still have a democracy.
We've got to work around.
We've got civic responsibilities.
We have civic duties.
And we're going to take them on.
We're going to do them.
Whether we're Republican or Democrat.
And so I, yeah, horrible news,
horrible weekend.
Very encouraged though to see on Monday,
democracy still stands and still continues to bring people
in one way,
a unique way together in the city of Milwaukee.
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Just a recap.
I don't think we need to reiterate it or restate it.
Pretend when we refer to this weekend.
And I'm, you know,
I'd like to frame it as a real
lower moment for American politics.
It was already,
we left off last week talking about,
man, we are in a real low moment.
A window for dignity and humility
in this upcoming election is closing.
And we were kind of talking about the democratic party.
But now we're looking at this in general,
just American politics in general.
There was an assassination attempt on the former president Donald Trump.
There was just an onslaught of information and misinformation
and all kinds of directions that things went following that.
It's been, you know,
48 some hours of a whirlwind,
not even a microburst of
a full-on whirlwind,
a tornado of information since then.
And so many different emotions,
perspectives, ideas.
Just wanted to check in with you, my guy, you know,
where were you?
What were you doing on Saturday?
And kind of what are your thoughts coming out of this?
I know I already expressed a low moment in American politics,
lower moment,
as if it could get any lower on Saturday.
And here we are.
It's Monday.
I'd like to get your thoughts on it.
And we have great guests to talk public education stuff tonight.
And then all week,
we're going to be talking about teaching and teachers.
How do you keep the current events?
Controversial,
close to home, right?
Things that are happening in our democracy,
in our country, in our world.
Right?
That are tough to teach.
And this is one of the moments.
And so Tim, a lot of stuff,
but just wondering where you were,
what your thoughts are,
and kind of what you're thinking right now.
As you just said,
a lot there,
and I put this in here,
I'll tell you what,
once that news broke,
the,
the,
the just onslaught,
as we said,
the firehose of information
that came across
in a way that I just,
you know,
I knew between TikTok,
Instagram,
Facebook,
Twitter.
There are so many ways to get,
and I'm going to say,
information,
not news.
Something like this,
the last time something like this happened
for me was,
1981, Ronald Reagan.
And all of that came through the news
in a way that was,
I don't want to say filtered and censored,
but it was curated
so that we had,
we were able to make sense of what happened.
Here,
the fact that within minutes
of the shooting,
there were TikTok videos
showing exactly what happened.
I was just overwhelmed
with the whole sense
of what was happening.
And John,
I got to tell you this,
Butler,
Pennsylvania,
and Bethel Park,
and Bethel Park,
I grew up in that area.
And so it was another one of those times,
there was like,
are you kidding me?
In fact,
my wife graduated from Bethel Park High School.
And so again,
these ideas of how close to things happen
or close to home,
there it is.
And it is,
man,
you know,
and I think that was mine,
the number one concern
isn't the right,
but the overwhelming feeling of,
I don't know what to make
of all of this information
and setting us up as we're talking about this now.
And I wonder, John,
you talk about this,
how do we deal with current events
with kids and classrooms and teachers?
Man,
I wasn't prepared to deal with it as an adult,
just having all that information.
So what a powerful question
to put out there today,
is we say,
and two,
great guests with constant public education network guests
are coming on here at the next break,
or after the next break to talk,
you know,
all the things community schools
and that awesome conference coming up July 30th
and 31st was constant public education network.
So Johnny,
man,
holy crap,
a lot going on in this first segment, dude.
Oh, yeah,
so much.
Well, we're coming off of,
like you said,
I think you said the fire hose
or I'd even like to say,
the hose didn't get attached.
They just opened the hydrant,
you know,
and it was just a flurry of media.
I know I was at a fifth anniversary
for a local brewery that,
you know,
the kids and families from all over,
both political parties,
I'm sure in,
you know,
in representation
in those kinds of community events,
but man,
the news kind of broken,
we were just all like,
what are we doing?
I mean, we are,
I've been saying collectively,
come on,
we could do better as a country,
but this is,
for me,
a lower moment.
And I like that this week,
we'll be talking with folks
and we'll also be taking it on.
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So we're going to get into that,
get into that real soon here.
Tim, I'm glad you're doing well,
given the microburst of win
that you've been through.
And let's get into it.
Let's get into it well.
It is, as you said,
the microburst, too.
And John, I think, too,
is we're coming out of this,
just remind people from civic media, too.
There's a work,
the commitment,
bullets,
not ballots,
not bullets,
voices,
not violence,
and realizing that,
too,
that we're going to be talking about that,
also, in ways to make sure that people understand.
As we said, in fact,
what you see going on in Milwaukee today,
there you are,
voices,
and not violence.
And that right there is, again,
democracy,
truly, in action,
when people are dissenting,
but yet keeping it down
to their voices,
not a violence.
And so we need to remind people
of that, Johnny,
after a weekend like this,
that, you know,
there are consequences
to the way we talk.
And even the ability
you know, what do we insinuate sometimes?
It's just time to take a little bit of a breath,
come back the way we've been saying it.
But then also come back and realize, too,
that the platforms in the positions
that you and a democracy hold,
your voice has absolute value
and genuine merit
to be added to these conversations.
We love doing this on busted pencils,
fully-letted education talk.
And yeah, Johnny,
I can't wait.
Wisconsin Public Education Network
and community schools
after the break.
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Ah, weekend,
but man, we are back here coming through.
And it is, you know,
it's one of those Mondays,
Wisconsin Public Education Network,
Monday,
August, Heather DuVois,
Renee, and the executive director
of Wisconsin Public Education Network,
stop and buy.
And bring us some friends along
with the Heather tonight,
Jamie Racine, Sun Prairie,
Community Schools District Coordinator,
and Serita Foster,
Director of Community Schools
for the Madison Metro School District.
All three of you welcome to Busted pencils.
Heather,
what's happening on the
Wisconsin Public Education Network Front?
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
There you are.
Can you hear me now?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, sorry about that.
Yeah, we're super excited about our
summer conference,
and we're very busy getting ready for it.
And I wanted to invite a couple of friends
along today because we're trying something new this year
in partnering to align our two annual conferences
together so that folks who want to go to both
can do so one day and then the next.
And we're hosting a reception together
and we're excited to dig into all the things
we have to talk about,
not just the things that we're mad about
and we're fighting back against because there's a
long list of those,
but also the things that are working around the state.
And so I'm excited to have our community
schools friends here to talk more about that.
Absolutely.
I love it at Jamie and Serita community schools
representative.
So let's just jump right into it.
I wonder, you know, if I can go three,
what the, what in the world people are saying?
Public schools.
I know Busted pencils is all about public schools.
I know Wisconsin Public Education Networks
all about public schools.
What's this concept community schools?
Is that different than public schools?
How do we go through Serita?
Give us a definition or an intro to community schools 101.
Absolutely.
Thanks for having us tonight.
So community schools are a model in traditional public schools.
So we are in schools.
We sub we serve as a hub for community activities,
support services beyond just the traditional academic offerings
during the school day.
We integrate academics with health and social services,
youth and community development,
community engagement to improve student learning.
So we really focus on the whole child,
not just on the academics that happen during the school day.
Awesome.
Loving that the whole time.
Jamie, you want to jump in there and give us a little bit of,
is there any difference or compare, contrast,
what you're talking about or give us a little bit more nuance
on the community schools?
Sure.
Yeah.
I think about like Serita said, community schools is serving
the whole child.
It also takes into account the whole family and the whole neighborhood.
So when we look at what are the challenges facing students
and their abilities to succeed and drive in their schools,
we know that all of those barriers don't all exist in the school buildings.
And so we also do work in organizing communities from neighborhood to neighborhood,
partnering with parents and community organizations and elected officials
to come together around the same table to talk about the challenges that are facing
our students and our families directly in their neighborhoods.
The whole neighborhood there, Johnny Lupinaggi,
and think about this, right?
And we're talking about, too, these are public schools.
Let's make sure everybody understands your community school and your public school.
I can hear some people going, well, like our school down the road,
it serves our community.
That's not really the same as a community school,
the way Serita and Janina are talking, Johnny Lupinaggi.
Well, yeah.
And I'd love that this attention that both Serita and Jamie
and all the folks that they're working with in community schools
and public education are emphasizing and recognizing that there's so much more
than one, just the academic aside of things,
which we know is important in education.
There's so much more when we commit to taking care of and bearing witness to
a quality education for every kid that that comes with the challenges
and that those challenges are more than just in reading, writing,
and the different subject areas.
They're all of life.
So knowing that public education is really committed to that.
I loved hearing that.
I'm not surprised because it is an important dimension of every experience
I've had with community schools and with public education.
But I wonder, Serita and Jamie, either of you,
talk to us a little bit about what some of those for listeners,
what are some of those barriers and challenges?
I know you mentioned a few, but that are common and that children are experiencing
in our schools out there.
Jamie, I'll start and then you can jump in.
There you go.
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
So this is a new term that I learned at our national conference.
It's shelterless instead of homeless or experiencing homelessness.
So a lot of our students are shelterless.
So they might not have a car to sleep in.
They might not have like a community center that offers services after hours.
They might not have a home or an apartment to live in.
And that's a real reality for a lot of our students in public schools on top of food insecurity.
Those are definitely the biggest two services and partners that we seek out,
especially in my school district in Madison, is finding resources for those families to have shelter
and to have food.
Some of our most basic needs that a lot of students are coming to school with every day and they're not being met.
Jamie.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, so we have we have similar approaches, right?
So when we think about the some of those basic needs that we are talking about,
we think about the aspects of working together with our whole community in supporting those needs, right?
So schools, public schools are really awesome at educating our kids.
And like not always the people that are there to provide a food like a pantry, right?
So pulling in our partners from the summary emergency food pantry,
and then bringing in our representatives that are talking about looking at policies around affordable housing,
because we know that housing costs, especially in Dane County, are often outpacing the appropriate percentage of a family's income
that they should be paying for rent or for a mortgage, right?
And so when we think about bringing all of those conversations together around the same table is where we start to see some traction and some movement.
And we can also then pair that right when we look at it's not just it's those basic needs,
but then we're also looking at family engagement, right? So how are we bringing those families in?
Are we building trusting relationships so that we know and they know that we are here for each other in service of the students?
And then we think about out of school time learning.
So when we know that some students rely on school meals, right, to get what they need for the day.
And then we balance that out without a school time program that can offer after school snacks or dinner options,
that we can then connect with the families after work, right?
When they're coming to pick up their kids from out of school time and talk about what are those things that they need?
And it starts to build a deeper understanding number one about what is possible through your public school,
and also what is what we're able to do together when we come and build those trusting relationships.
Very Wow. That will have me. We'll have you back after the break.
Call our 85752442 if you want to add to the conversation more when we come back.
Thank you.
Wow. There it is.
And what keeps coming across to me on this is the essentials and this brings up something you learn in, you know,
when you're becoming a teacher 101, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, the idea here is,
and I'm hearing that community schools provide food, shelter, safety, clothing.
All of the things that Maslow identified as required for us to have an absolute public school that is contributing to this success.
Not just the academic needs, but also the, the, the, the sociological and the economic needs.
Jamie, why don't you finish up where you were?
Yeah, so I, what I was bringing together, right, is that, yes, we absolutely help support that basic level.
And then let's take it to the higher level and let's look at root causes of what are causing creating these issues for our kids and our families and our communities in the first place.
So that we can then organize our communities around localized solutions and come together and everybody bring what they have to the table, right?
It's kind of a stone soup scenario.
Everybody brings the strengths that they have in the community, and we don't look at each other through the lens of like,
this is my job, this is my institution, but we see ourselves as one community with a shared goal of ensuring that all students thrive in their school communities.
We're recognizing two of the community school, the, the, the, the whole idea, academic thriving, social emotional thriving, putting that all together and bringing that into one kind of neat package.
Serena, do you have anything to add to, you know, your sense of when I talk about Maslow's hierarchy of needs and how that fits in?
Yeah, I always think about how we can support the community schools and what that looks like for each neighborhood that has a community school and it always just comes back to volunteering time, donating resources, forming partnerships, just really being a part of your community and the school included.
Engaging with school activities, policies, referendum, you know, all of those things are super important to community schools and all schools, but especially, you know, continuing the services we need the whole community to do that.
Yeah, it's busted pencils fully, let it education talk, Wisconsin Public Education Network Monday, got some guests with Heather, though, Jamie, Racine, Sun Prairie Community Schools District Coordinator and Serena Foster Director of Community Schools for the Madison Metro School District.
You guys are really talking about this, just the question that really pops up in my head, the work you all are doing at the community schools, I know it's, it's a model to inspire, but at this point, when are we going to start saying that the community schools concept is something all kids and all families and all communities deserve.
Jamie.
Well, that's what we're working to do right now across the country, a 10% of our public schools are community schools and we're adding more all the time because most public schools do at least part of this model already really well.
All teachers care about their students and want the best for their students and so as we look at the things that are inherently natural for the school environment and the things that exist in what we all desire in community, it's really bringing people together and I am here to help advocate and that's why we're hosting a Wisconsin conference to help bring on more people on board and share the stories of what success we're seeing across the state.
Well, what a great opening to that in fact, you know, Heather, there's the conference, the Wisconsin public education network conference coming and then community schools tell us a little bit about what's going to be happening. Heather wants you jump in with Wisconsin public education and then open us up for the community schools conference.
Yeah, thanks I'm excited to do that because community schools are such an awesome example of what we always call hashtag you don't need a charter for that you can just do it what if we put our organizing priorities where they should be at the public schools are at the heart of our communities and so for this reason that our annual event our friends at the community schools coalition of Wisconsin have been active partners for a long time.
They always presented our conference and this year we thought what if we came together in a more powerful way and really gave our people an opportunity to mingle and connect and brainstorm a little bit about what it's going to take to make this this model of reality for kids all over the state.
And so on July 30 that is a Tuesday the community schools coalition is holding their statewide conference in Sun Prairie and we're kicking off our conference that evening with a joint reception with those folks so we're going to come together and then the next day we are booked all day at LaFalla High School in Madison for our 10th annual summer summit where we are going to dig into.
Every topic we can think of about what it's really going to take to make sure we're creating the conditions for all kids to thrive.
What do we need to do in our classrooms what do we need to do for funding what do we need to stop what do we need to start more of and we've invited folks from all over the state to join us we've got Jennifer Birkschilers going to be there talking about her brand new book the education wars we've got Donald Cohen on the roster and he is.
The author of privatization of everything and the executive director of in the public interest probably know him and we're going to just tap into the expertise from everyone from parents and caregivers to national experts so that we can plot and plan together about what we need to do to demand and deliver the conditions every single kid needs to thrive.
So there it is is true the belt rings that is our daily segment democracy and action listener folks out there.
Democracy in action today is a no brainer every democracy in action is some example from today's show of democracy being modeled linked to a core democratic value the core democratic value that stands out as we're talking with representatives from community schools and we're talking all things benefited by public education and really.
The whole way communities come together is common good we come together for the common good that's a core democratic value and there is no doubt about it in my mind today's democracy and action kind of recognition goes to our guests for working together in the community schools toward the common good where citizens work together for the good of all in addition to that the government should make laws that are good for everyone in this sense.
And it's supportive of this kind of idea that we said in the show our guests said repeatedly the goal is all schools should be like community schools this isn't an individual effort this is when people of a democracy come together towards a common good so today's democracy in action and core democratic value common good thank you serita Jamie Heather for all the folks you work with for modeling not only common good.
It's just the way we ought to be thinking about education when it comes to public education and a strong democracy thank you and now back to these great things happening related to that common good with the conferences that are coming up I think we heard a little bit about the Wisconsin public education network meeting that's coming up and I know special little teaser Dr. Tim Slecker from busted pencils fully let it education talk is going to be at the conference live and in person so in Madison.
There will be lots of fun stuff with guests that week I'm excited listener get excited put it in your calendar it's not too far off Heather do you have specific dates you want to reiterate for folks and then we'll ask serita and Jamie to talk about community school conference.
Yeah you can register for both full days of our event at Wisconsin network dot org slash summit just go to Wisconsin network dot org and click the summit button at the top.
And we would love to have you there it's just 40 bucks for two full days of nonstop planning in action and that includes lunch and two parties so you can't miss this deal but if that's still out of your price range
and if you're an educator in the Madison metropolitan school district the district is paying for you to come so go ahead and register for free using our partner pass we can't wait to see you all there and we hope that you'll also check out the community school's conference too which has a separate registration that I'll let Jamie point you toward.
Yeah thanks Heather and so if you want more information on our conference you can go to a bit Lee slash twenty twenty four thriving schools that's the theme of our conferences here is thriving school thriving communities are days going to start out in the morning with a plenary session with folks representing all different roles within the community schools movement from superintendent to community school site coordinator.
We also have a variety of sessions that will allow you to hear about community schools from the perspective of organizers we have any a that's presenting a few different sessions we have nonprofit partners that have worked with community schools to bring together different solutions for specific need based driven programming we also have community school leaders that will be sharing some of their stories of success.
And some of the data and impact that they've seen from applying that strategy in their local area so we would love to see you there and we'll have a working lunch where we're going to pull people together that have similar jobs to you from across the state so you can really think about this from the unique perspective and the place that you hold and connect with some professionals all around the state.
Wow so much now I was just going to give a shout out to Jamie for being a superb mentor she's helped me along my role along my road in my role and this is our first annual conference that she is co chairing so big kudos to Jamie and poncho from walkie.
Wow so many awesome opportunities hot Tim what a great way to connect in your community learn more about public education but also grow together with professionals who all share that commitment to that common good to strengthen our education system not just the academics although the academics are included in that but how we and essentially how we raise and care for all of our children and that's an investment on our future democracy which we already kind of noted is in a low moment right now.
So appreciate this optimism in this strong energy where people can get connected listener I know that's a lot of information if you want to swing back through when you re listen to the show or you download the podcast or visit the civic media site all those links will be in the podcast description so if you're interested and I and I can't imagine listeners out there not being interested but if you're local to area get out to these events they'll be super informative sounds like great community.
And holy smokes couple of days of amazing learning about community schools with the Wisconsin public education network while I'm inspired thank you Heather Serita and Jamie.
I tell you to join you hinted right there yep I am going to be there Heather thank you for the opportunity and the invitation to have busted pencils while we're there we're going to set up.
If you see me around I'll be having some t-shirts hopefully to to give out to some people there and even catch some people if you got something to say hey the show might not be live but I will have everything around for to record let's you know stop me.
Have something to say let's record it let's have a little conversation everybody in there let's bring you know Wisconsin public education network talk about an incredible event great guest lots going on and man I really looking so
forward to actually being there in person I've been to a few of the earlier conferences Heather when we were there and the idea now getting to come back just makes me so inspired Heather and Jamie and Serita thank you guys so much for busting pencils.
Well thanks for having us we can't wait to see you in Madison in two weeks and we hope that everyone who's listening will join us there.
It's busted pencils fully let it education talk educated educators talking education okay when we get back to me Johnny breaking it down.
Yeah, it's a little bit of a script and a where we might be after Saturday busted that's fully let it education.
It's a little bit of a script and a where we might be after Saturday busted that's fully let it education talk educated educators talking education great guest from the Wisconsin public education network Heather Du Bois bernan and from the Sun Prairie Community Schools District Jamie Racine and the director of Community Schools Madison Metropolitan School District Serita Foster great interviews check him out you know again Johnny you said download the podcast there will be all of the links there for any of the students.
There for any of the topics the events the registration for the conferences it's all right there make sure you can get it.
Johnny you got a little you got a note there from you here in the back you know on the chat that you got two things current events.
I'm going to throw it right to you my friend.
Thank you man we be remiss we had some great conversation and I appreciate not just the Wisconsin public education network but good teachers and good people that are wrapping around.
Children in this country to to work hard towards getting politicians to support public education getting members of community all kinds of partnerships.
And I want to emphasize that to wrap around and fully support all children having a strong education so important it is in every way our civic duty especially those of us connected to education so always great work.
From the Washington public education network and all of their friends and and folks but I want to come back to because these current events.
You know we started to show off we're thinking about it I know that civic media is covering things all day long it's great.
Conversation so listener out there you know you're thinking about these things to I appreciate that we took a little bit of break from the specifics of the politics.
But I want to come back to it Tim want to come back to the moment that we're in.
I think you shared a really important sentiment and shared message of solidarity.
That I am hearing across the board I'm hearing a lot of saying like okay enough is enough we got to take a deep breath.
If you want dissent is important and in fact imperative condition of democracy but you do it at the ballot box you do it through dialogue you do it through civic disobedience.
But not through violence what I want to talk about something Tim I have two points on I'd be remissed to be an educator committed in with the humility we have.
And the patients to not bring up the fact that we've been desensitized the fact that it's like every week we have a school shooting we have children whose reality is children and teachers are going to school all the time.
And the back of their minds sometimes on the front of their minds we talk about wraparound services in community schools.
It is raised anxiety created an unsafe a real unsafe place for children too many children's country is our schools and that's related to school shooting and that's directly related we talked about it in the show around gun control and gun violence.
And I like that you brought up you know fight your fight at the ballot.
And that we're not about violence but you know what Tim I have to say this country is far too much about violence just say that okay stop the violence now and I am in no way condoning an assassination attempt or the way that you express your disagreement or dissent is to to fire shots.
By firing shots verbally firing shots physically are two different things but they're related right the right the rhetoric of extreme violence.
And and so I want to point out we've been normalized and desensitized to it in the education world so a little bit of me is frustrated because we should outrage at any shooting.
But yet we're a hundred and some already into the year not even the school year we haven't started officially the school year we're a hundred some into this year.
Children are shot up at schools all the time so this should not be an American norm but it is so this is a low moment and American politics but it's par for the course.
America news right now and this is a sad thing so we got to change that that's one thing the other thing I want to come to is this whole let's stop the violence let's stop the violence.
Then you have to stop introducing it through talk and you have to stop the right because I will not for one back down from the fact that it's too often history's taught us this that political violence is a ricochet off from the party that introduces it.
And folks if you want to bring that up we got some good articles we can link you to my man Timothy Snyder writes about that but too often history has taught us when you introduce threats of violence it too often isn't your opposition that fires at you it isn't the supposed big bad enemy that you've created it's often a ricochet of the very violence you're putting out there.
I think this is in every way one way to think about and respond to the unnecessary violence of this weekend is that this is a ricochet of and on nobody deserves it so I'm in no way saying that this is something anybody should have happened to them are having but this is a result directly connected to the rhetoric of political violence and we have to be accountable to that and we have to do better more about it on busted pencils this week fully let it education talk you know but Tim I had to get those two points out there.
You can ask me more about it or we can keep rocking with it but man they were they were on my mind when you were saying like write your fight at the ballot okay great we're all going to vote but also stand our ground for the fact that if you introduce violence and then you're a victim of the violence you introduce it is an always we look at it ashamed not not something we can don't but it's logically connected and we have that we can't act like this is just a random act.
Unconnected to one a culture of guns and violence in this country that school children and teachers know all too well and we've been desensitized you absolutely and to the rhetoric of political violence that that Donald Trump in no way deserves to be shot at but in every way has introduced that kind of political violence not only in talk but in action he's called the actions of January six you know martyr actions he's called these kinds of violence and I'm going to reiterate for listen that's not me saying
he should be shot at nobody should that's absolutely a lower moment in American politics but we should not be shocked that we're here you better how do we stand out to him remember last week 20 from 21st century
Timothy Snyder's lessons the one I'd like to hammer all week long is how do we stand up but we stand out by holding ourselves accountable in both words and actions right you don't want the kind of violence we have then change the policies around guns and gun
control and gun culture you don't want political violence then don't threaten political violence and reduce into the words the bullets that get that become ricochets towards your own innocent people so let's be let's be real
accountable to that Tim man Johnny Lupinati dropping some heat loving it though passion busted pencils that's what we do here every Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday man it is Johnny you know like you said and now let's remind
everybody to you know all of a sudden now gun culture is something I'm going to wait to see you this week if gun culture even gets any conversation over this absolute horrible
event I'm going to put out there that you know what we're going to go back to normal with gun culture very simply very quickly this will not be
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