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Lupinacci.
I know you were waiting for me to flub that man.
No man, I mean I wait all week for you to drop your favorite acronym and then you nail
it man.
There's a couple times where you jumbled the letters but you know what, it's good to keep
us on our toes and it doesn't matter what order those letters actually come in, it gets
us to the same thing.
It's Friday, we're here chopping it up.
This is going to be an extra fun Friday, absolutely, because you've got a little bit of trivia
for us.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, man, you know what, we don't need any questions or quizzes on, is whose sponsor's
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Are you ready?
Are you ready?
Are you ready?
Are you ready?
Tim Bomb a couple of weeks ago with some trivia on it with a blast, so he said, producer
Jess, she has a knack for finding and seeing the greatness and Tim, our sandpaper finish.
She finds a shine and she said, Tim, that was magic.
Let's do trivia once a week.
So here we are Friday, the Tim Bomb of the day, trivia time, Tim hit us.
Hey, it is ready.
We are ready to go and people watching on the Twitter, on the Facebook and stuff.
You can see what is at stake tonight.
Another busted pencils t-shirt there, Johnny Lupinacci, for the first person to call in
accurately and give us the answer, Jess, you got to comment there.
I looked like you were going to be like, hey, wait, where is my t-shirt?
Hey, you will get one, 8557524842, put that number out there right away because I know
some people were like, wait, what's the number?
What's the number?
I need to call.
Make sure you have the civic media app.
The question, the trivia is here today.
The use of a submarine in a military setting, the date.
What was the date of the first use of a submarine for a military excursion?
And what was the name of that submarine if you can figure that out?
So yeah, we're looking for the first use of a submarine in a military engagement.
And then the date that that happened and the name of that submarine.
That's what we're putting out there today.
So that's it.
Busted pencils, fully-ledded education talk, Tim's trivia.
First submarine used, the first submarine, the name of the first submarine that was used
in a military excursion.
And the date that that use occurred, if you can call in first person to call in, it's
your busted pencils t-shirt.
And if you're going like, what do they look like?
Hey, jump on the Twitter, jump on the Facebook, jump on the YouTube.
You can see right now, I'm modeling one right now.
I will not give you the one off my back unless somebody has a special request for that.
We could possibly do that.
But yeah.
There it is, John.
The sign for that.
John.
John.
All kinds of red tape involved in that.
Tim, this is going to be recap.
So what we're looking for here in today's Tim's trip is that you would like us to know,
which, by the way, I have no idea.
So I'm going to be part of this probing to figure out what kind of clues you might be
able to drop, that might help our listeners.
So we're looking for the first, the date of the first used submarine in combat.
And combat and the name of that submarine.
My guess is it's got some kind of, I think I might know the name, but I have no idea
where.
So I'll hold that back.
But I think it's, I want to say it's a particular kind of animal that's named after
maybe I kind of like, I remember flipping your book and all school and seeing this.
I see the noggin work in there, man.
I can see it work.
But I'm not sure the date, I'm not just saying this, but I do love submarines.
Now, I would never be in one nor going one, but, but it's a cool concept.
And it's kind of cool to think about, you know, by land or by water.
It's, it's the coolest thing when, yeah, when we have this and we reveal everything,
though, and it is a cool one of those human, again, another interest story that is like,
whoa, who knew?
I tell you, I'm trying to pull most of these from the things that excited my fifth graders
when I was teaching social studies to fifth graders.
These are these stories and little, you know, I don't know, obscure facts, but, you know,
kind of way of understanding things that really lit history up for them is as then we would
dig into these types of, you know, instead of worrying about all, you know, the date of
the declaration of independence that I was like, we would put out these cool things.
You remember last one, pickets charged July 3rd, last week, we got that in their pickets
charts.
But now today, yeah, the name of the first submarine and the date, it was used in a military
endeavor battle or, you know, something out there.
And then, you know, what was that military adventure, eight, five, five, seven, five,
two, four, eight, four, two, two, three, four, two, three, four, two, three, four,
two, three, four, two, three, four, two, three, four, two, three, four, two, three,
sure, you know, anybody wants to throw it in there, that can throw in a little bit after
Tom and New Berlin Civil War.
I think it was on the Mississippi.
If you forgot the name, Tom, you know, it is not the civil war.
So there's our first attempt right there and it is not the civil war.
Could a submarine go in the Mississippi River?
Was that work?
Oh, you know, you know, you told me about the current or the depth or both.
The depth.
That's what I'm thinking.
Oh, yeah.
There's spots in this in that river that are incredibly deep.
And when you're talking about sub marine, I'll far down.
Do you think it has to go?
Is that a hint?
Hmm.
Potentially.
Potentially.
Potentially.
Yeah.
All right.
So John, back to the, there's the question.
It's out there.
First caller coming in with it.
Name and the date and you get a busted pencils t shirt is for you.
Man.
We are though again, Friday coming in and Joe Biden, it is not relented.
There are still continued calls for the president to kind of walk away from the new election
that's coming up.
Kind of take it, take a walk around the, you know, the stadium admire, love, take all
the admiration, job well done and step out, open it up to another candidate.
In fact, today, $90 million in donations from multiple donors have been put on hold trying
to convince president Biden that you should step down yesterday in his press conference.
Different ways people reacted.
He, you know, didn't flub as many times as they thought.
And I think even just that though, when you're saying it's like, well, he didn't flub
as many times.
So now we're looking at that.
However, earlier in the day, before the press conference where he held, he introduced
Vladimir Zelensky from Ukraine as president Putin.
Yeah.
These are, these are, these are not good looks, man.
And you know, again, I'm going to come back to here.
We are, we're days after days after when we should have been talking about this, not
just us discussing this, but I mean, like, come on, this is really where we're at.
We can't forget this out.
So glad to hear people are saying, let's hold the money.
Let's figure this out.
But somebody send that memo directly to my man so that we can figure this out because
it shouldn't be as awkward as it continues to be every day where we're like, really,
this is the best I said yesterday.
Both parties should be asking this question themselves.
You know, but if that, if it's going to be what it's going to be with Donald Trump being
the Republican candidate, you know, then they'd so be it.
But I think most of us have a really vested interest in the beliefs that, in the principles
and the, and the political framework that Joe, you know, has been, you know, representing
and, and I think we can do better.
And I think that's what a lot of people are saying.
So I would like to see someone just give the guy the nod to say like, hey, man, you don't
have to go down swinging.
There's this thing called humility.
That's actually like a strong value.
There's this whole thing where you could say, hey, I'm surrounded by really good people.
They got this support them, you know, and campaign to the fullest of your ability in that
support.
On that level, I mean, we remember like President Obama doing this kind of thing, right?
It's like being able to say like, hey, man, I know lots of people are saying like, oh,
we want more of one.
It's like, okay, come on, man, I did my time and enough people around me.
So let's go.
Let's move forward with that.
So I would like to see that sooner than later, please, we're way overdue on it.
Let's go already.
Tim, where are we at with this trivia, man?
I don't know.
I'm thinking right now.
I see Jess, so producer Jess is on the phone.
We have a clue for Collar.
If we have a clue, we know that it is named after an animal.
I'm pretty sure I remember also now being in a history lesson around you.
Help me when you said fifth grade, because I remember looking at, okay.
And I can visualize this thing.
Let me if I'm right, it kind of reminded me, it kind of looks like a submersible grenade.
Am I remembering the right thing?
It's a time capsule.
I think you might be getting closer.
I know it's earlier than the Civil War, right?
So we have the Civil War comment from Tom from New Berlin.
He said, you know, he thinks it was used in the Civil War and you said, no, not the Civil
War.
So I'm going to go under is older than the Civil War like submarines appeared in our
US history, you know, battles pre-Civil War.
All right.
And right there, we got our first caller, I could see Jess right there, Jess, who we got
on the line, Jess.
We've got Rita from Hartford.
All right.
Rita, what's happening?
Rita, you got an answer for the trivia question?
I sure do.
Okay.
Okay.
One man, one man submarine in the Revolutionary War.
The turtle was the, it was actually, they were trying to attach it to a British ship.
Do you got the date?
You got the date?
That I can't remember the date, I got the, oh, Rita, it was, I mean, is this right thing?
This is fascinating.
She is absolutely right.
It was the turtle was the name of the submersible people watching right now can see him holding
up a picture of what it looks like, of what it did look like.
This is one of the scale drawings.
And it was used during the Revolutionary War.
People are like, whoa, really?
Some Marines in the Revolutionary War, unlike President Trump last year that tried to talk
about taking over airports during the Revolutionary War.
There was a submarine in the Revolutionary War.
It was called the turtle and it went after a British ship.
We're going to hold Rita on this, though.
Yeah, let's keep, because she's close, man, that's pretty close.
Let's keep her on.
Rita, you know, do a little googling and let's get you back when we come back from the
break.
Busted pencils, holy, let it education talk, educated educators talking education and talking
trivia turtle Revolutionary War, when?
Or when we get back?
Yeah, there it is, Busted Pencil, holy, let it education talk, educated educators talking
education, TGI, BPF, thank God, it's Busted Pencils Friday, Tim Strivia to start the
show.
What was the name of the first submarine used in a combat?
What combat was that?
Rita called in, she got a Revolutionary War, the turtle, an attack on the British, still
looking for a date.
Jess, we still got Rita.
Rita, you able to figure out the date?
Yeah.
Okay, give it to us.
September 7, September 1776.
There it is.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, Rita.
Yes.
Superb.
September 7, 1776 in New York Harbor going after the British ship.
HMS Eagle, it was a submersible called a submarine.
It would literally dive under the bottom of the boat.
And if you look at this thing, it had like a little hand corkscrew where it would get
under the boat.
It would drill into the bottom of the HMS Eagle set, set eight, no, no, set an explosive
in that hole.
Oh my gosh.
Paddle your way out because this is all human propelled and get get the heck out of there
before it blows up the ship.
Now Rita, please make sure Jess are getting her mailing information so she can get everything.
So now though, just show this out there.
So what happened on that day?
Lupinachi, any thoughts?
No idea.
And while I'm guessing somebody paddled that little acorn grenade thing you're holding
up for people who are watching on the stream.
So the turtle gets paddled down and they're trying to attach to the boats.
My guess is they attached it to, you know, a boat and a royal baby.
Yeah.
A ship.
I mean, I have nothing on this.
I have vague memories of a picture of this in a book or, you know, a little fact about
the Revolutionary War, one of those fun facts in US histories that we've learned about,
you know, probably read a paragraph about in a book and answered some questions at the
end of the chapter.
Unfortunately, that was a lot of our social studies education.
But hey, I'm glad that we're having this trivia.
I'm glad Rita nailed it.
Yeah.
Tell us a little bit about it.
Sure.
Okay.
Yeah.
This is the part.
So they get it out there.
They train trying to learn how to use it because you can look at this in any, you know,
listener, if you're not able to watch the video, pull it up, take a look at this thing
because the number of different contraptions to make this thing work.
There's a hand pump to pull in water, to push out water, to allow it to die of it certain
ways.
It's a foot pedal to give it propulsion as it's going through the water.
You've got a hand crank above you and a hand crank in front of you for drilling into
the enemy's boat.
And then it's got a detachable charge, you know, gunpowder that would be put into that
hole that you drill into the ship.
And then you got to let go, get that going and start cranking and get you out of there.
Get into the water.
They did not realize that there were going to be currents, Jess, the currents, they print,
they trained, but they trained without currents.
And when they got out there, the ability to take this thing out to beneath the HMS Eagle
really, really, really hard.
They, it only has 20 minutes of air took them two hours to get out there, which meant
they had to pop up a couple times to bring in air.
And they finally did get to the HMS Eagle and submerge down, uh oh, bump, bump, bump,
you know, those wooden bottom ships, there was a little bit more of a protective coating
on the HMS Eagle.
And that corkscrew was not able to penetrate the hull of the ship, was not able to put
the explosive charge in it at this point to the British actually saw it.
The turtle took off, dropped the charge, the charge floated away, harmlessly out into
the water, blew up.
It was a massive failure, no ability to sink the HMS Eagle, the turtle, but it was the
very first use of a submarine in a military excursion.
Yeah, can you imagine sitting in that thing?
It's like a little walnut that you're in, you're cranking it with your feet, you're pumping
with your one hand, you're cranking the drill with the other hand, you're trying to move
this and you only have 20 minutes of breathable air while you're under the water doing this.
Johnny, just too many factors, too many variables to make it a success.
Mm hmm.
And the reality now too is there is not the original submersible, the turtle has never
been actually accounted for.
There are remakes, there are models, but the actual one, um, it's a mystery.
Where did it go?
Can people find it?
Is it on the bottom of New York Harbor?
We don't know, but it was there all together though.
So there it is.
trivia.
There it is.
Listeners out there.
Find that original turtle.
It's a missing missing historical artifact.
Oh, that would be, I tell you what, somebody actually finds that missing historical artifact.
You get more than you get two T shirts, yeah, thanks, Jess, they got it exactly right.
Hey, it's busted pencils fully let it education talk, educated educators talking
education, the numbers eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two,
thank you for the trivia, Rita.
Yes, you have a shirt coming in.
We'll have more next week.
And then Johnny, yeah, so, you know, but President Biden, you keep saying, you know, is he, you know,
he could take a victory lap right now, you know, and just enjoy.
People can shower him with, right?
I mean, yeah, I know it every day, every day he doesn't say all the long time ago.
It's going to be more like a, like, excuse me, sir, it's time for you to please leave
the building.
I mean, there is a, there is a window which humility is the way and that never closes.
Like he could still say, wow, I, you know, I, I really, you know, wanted to stay strong.
I really want to always, you know, go out fighting for my country and for, for pride and
for all these things.
But, you know what, I'm going to step back and I think that window is obviously still open.
A victory lap 10, I mean, I don't quite know if there is like the, I think the victory lap
window has, has closed, can't spin this as like a, like, you know what, I, I'm going to
do the right thing.
Um, like, oh, jumps right in.
Hey, everyone needs to stop with the job.
Biden Exodus.
He is winning all that matters project 20, 25, yeah.
Yeah.
That's the greatest thing he's with us.
Here's the thing I agree with Tom, even if he's winning, he's beating a lying convicted
criminal out misogynist and racist person like this is a, this is a losing day for democracy.
If we're basing our, you know, our, our decision that based on the front run areas, a few
points ahead of a lying convicted criminal who's an out like proud misogynist.
You know, in racist.
So this is a, this is a sad moment for America.
Um, I think we could do better on both, both parties.
I think the, the Democrats have a stronger chance of even widening back gap.
It would be a landslide to run somebody who better represents the diverse people of
this country, better represents democracy and politics.
Um, so, you know, we're, we're, we're going at it though.
We're still going.
We love Tom's point.
You know, he's bringing in the polls.
We're, we love the, we love the trivia today.
And we're coming back with you, listener.
Stay with us.
We're coming back because you know what, next segment, we got some fun stuff ahead.
We got some fun stuff with democracy and action and we're going to really have some
fun with the rest of Friday.
So stay with us, listener.
We'll catch you on the next side, busted pencils when we get back.
This is the breakdown.
I'm standing here holding our ground cup, what may?
Like good goals, thoughts from beyond the grave.
Welcome to the breakdown.
Welcome to the end of the road.
This is the breakdown.
We got nowhere else to go.
Welcome to the breakdown.
Welcome to the end of the road.
Welcome to the breakdown.
Welcome to the end of the road.
This is the breakdown.
We got nowhere else to go.
We flipped our finger to the king of England.
The stole I'm coming from the India.
We're caught on our side.
We caught on our hand.
We're caught on our hand.
There it is.
Yeah.
Busted pencils fully.
Let it education talk.
Educated educators talking education.
Yeah.
TGI BPF.
Thank God it's busted pencils.
Friday.
What?
There it is.
The bell, Johnny.
It's looping on cheese.
The bell.
The bell.
That used to be from Fantasy Island.
The plane.
The plane.
The bell.
The bell.
The bell.
Democracy in action.
Johnny Lupinachi.
Here's the deal.
What I'm feeling for democracy in action tonight is actually Johnny Lupinachi telling us about
what this democracy in action segment is all about every day, Johnny.
You've been dropping some truth on us.
Democracy in action.
Johnny Lupinachi.
What's it all about?
Who wants to break it away, my friend.
Oh God, Tim.
You put me on the spot.
Love that.
You've got Tim's trivia and you've got today's democracy in action.
Me doing democracy in action and it's exciting, Tim, because you know, if you think
back, I could tell you a little bit of the story.
So, like sit down, get yourself a cup of coffee and settle in because here comes a story.
But, you know you know, you remember you are asking me about democracy and about, you know,
democratic values and I give you this definition because for listeners out there,
acquaintance to some of the things that I do is that I teach teachers, specifically I teach
about democratic education, not just to teach democratically, but to teach young people in all
your subject areas, core democratic values and to practice democracy.
So the skills connected with being a democratic citizen.
Let's take that away right now from Democrats and Republicans.
That's all people in a democracy.
And so to do that, we have to have a definition of democracy.
Remember those shows we did a whole show, Tim.
Oh yeah, we did.
Back on democracy where I say we could boil it down to one simple street level definition for democracy.
Decisions being made by those directly impacted by the decision.
That means for a general idea, the public, the listener out there, if the decision impacts you,
you ought to be participatory in that decision making process.
What does it mean to be participatory and to give you three things, right, Tim?
Do you remember those three things?
One, everybody has a voice and that voice is valued.
So your participation, you can be assured.
You have a right to expressing your voice, your thoughts, your concerns, and that those are valued.
Two, you have an obligation.
You have a responsibility to participate in the decision making.
The decision is impacting you.
You don't get to opt out.
In fact, opting out is just like it's the worst form of participating in decision making.
Everybody has a perspective.
Everybody's perspective is valued.
You have to participate.
Third, it's all decisions are made in the interest of the common good.
None of them are final.
Because we aren't going to always get it right.
And that's the complexity of democracy.
We have to keep doing better.
How we ask ourselves, how's it working?
Let's listen to everybody who the decisions are impacting.
And evidently, we might have missed something or something played out differently than we expected.
How do we revisit that?
Okay.
So we have the democratic process.
Right.
That's in a nutshell.
Well, how do we do that?
That's a complicated process.
So we can further distill that out into values.
That helps us practice skills.
Core democratic values, Tim.
We'll share them in the podcast.
So people want to come back to this.
They can go in there and they can grab into the description.
Just throw them in there.
A lot of teachers out there know I said, hey, I teach core democratic values and social studies elementary ed.
It's in the curriculum in most states, almost all the states.
If not officially unofficially, it's in the weekly readers.
It's in the social studies books.
This isn't radical social studies.
This isn't even what we would consider critical, although it is imminent that we practice and value and learn to recognize all the core democratic values.
So that takes us into what is democracy in action.
Tim, well, it's a little segment we do here on the show every day because we want to highlight where folks who are either are listeners, people out in the news, people in our circle.
Maybe somebody we're interviewing is modeling democracy in action.
It can be an opportunity for us to highlight and teach and share those core democratic values where I pulled out from.
Hold that right from the classroom.
Nice.
Well, as a teacher doing this for a while now, I started to learn that, hey, you know what I needed to do is I needed to reinforce like positive, read positively reinforced democratic citizenship in my classroom and to work with teachers on learning how to do that.
So all the future teachers that take my class participate in a project called democracy in action, kind of like our daily segment.
And what they do is they do projects with their they designed projects for their future elementary classrooms where their students are learning to recognize their democratic responsibilities to practice their core democratic values to strengthening their community, their classrooms and their contributions.
And what we call that is doing democracy in action, not just reading about it, not just having one off project like I love canned food drives, I like, you know, backpacks that we gather for people who might not have everything they need.
I like all of those kinds of charitable things we do, but it's the day in and day out, things we do in our classrooms, we do in our communities that with intention that they they help us make habits of mind of core democratic values.
And so, you know what, it seems natural when we said, hey, let's do a daily segment on this, why not do it every time I teach a class.
Let's do it every time Tim, we kind of teach our mini class here on civic media, we have the cost of pencils show every evening.
So we've had it all week, we had it last week, we're going to keep having it democracy in action.
We're seeing action, it is in every way as you put Tim participatory, but it's an opportunity to practice skills related to values.
And this is where I get into the current events of today, Tim, if we practice these values, and I come back to this, we we'd have more capacity as individuals and as groups to understand that it's not about having the 10 commandments in your classroom.
Or having a particular set of beliefs, it's kind of urging them, there's a common good out there that groups of people ought to, they really would like to see and act it in their communities, the baseline of how we get along with one another.
I told you all many times listeners probably know already I'm going for me, it's human rights. And in fact, it's the universal declaration of human rights and it's children's rights specifically.
And I love that teacher Joanna a couple nights ago, except for her, it's a big question, do you really deeply care about all children?
And that if that's the case, the answer is yes, then children's rights frame your classroom, right, they kind of flank or frame how you're you're coming at this.
So, you know, that's a little bit, I guess that's a little bit of the backstory on democracy and court democrat values democracy and teach the moments to him.
I love it. Johnny Lubinachi, what I like about this too is now think about this to listener, I'm going to throw this out there.
If you have examples of democracy in action, we would love to hear about them, bring your democracy in action examples to the show every night because, man, the whole idea about democracy
and being participatory is also let's build on this. Let's build the movement because democracy is an action in this realm here.
We have to keep participating.
Man, there's a lot going on. In fact, right now we're having a little bit of a participation in a discussion right now.
L.A. Tom, L.A. Tom is dropping a lot. He's got a, you know, absolutely 100% saying, hey, in my view, he is a Joe Biden supporter. We need to let go.
We need to move on. And it's time to just admit that Joe Biden is the candidate who's going to beat the liar Trump. Well, L.A. Tom, I'm, I tell you what, whatever it is.
When it comes, when it comes, that's his guys, right. I guess maybe my whole thing was to and I'll admit this is that, you know, I was a reluctant Biden supporter in 2020 for the standpoint there, you know, because I think there should have been somebody else at that point.
But once he was in, you know, absolutely. And I will say this too. If it comes down to it and he is the one running against the orange devil, he will absolutely get my vote. No doubt about it because, you know, project 2025 truly is a blueprint for fascism in a disaster.
And what we value incredibly right here at busted pencils. Public education. I mean project 2025 is an absolute torpedo, not a turtle with a hand cranking type of little explosive that they're not going to be able to attach to the bottom of public education. No project 2025 is like a nuclear attack on public education.
So if it comes down to President Biden being that candidate, it gets my vote, Johnny Lupinachi.
Well, Tim, you know, we'll get into this. We'll talk more about it. And for me, I'm still in the stage of like, you send forward your best. And this is not an attack on Biden. And this is not also I want to like put out there like I'm not hyperbolizing like the opposition. Like I don't want to go into like everything is going to be doomed if Trump wins. I mean, like that's obviously not something I even want to go towards.
Because I think we have the opportunity to put forward the best. What I'll say by that is like we're going to the Olympics are coming up in a couple of weeks.
The best of the best competed to go and represent our country.
We didn't pick some people that said, hey, you know what they're kind of good. I mean, the right when they're up a little they have a fraction of a hair faster than their opposition.
No, we pick the best of the best to represent our democracy to, you know, compete. And I'm not saying it's the same stakes because certainly athletics are not the same as politics, but there is political dimensions to athletics and it's a metaphor here.
I believe that we put forward the best of the best. And so even though it's like it's going to be fun. And I think there's a lesson in here that we need to also carry forward is solidarity is really important.
And we are not showing good solidarity for good reason because I'll come back to it in the final segment because we got a little preview of our of our of our next week.
But I want to talk about like it's super important to stand out. It's super important to have excellence and our best as the standard. And it's not right now.
Okay, that's not me saying like I think that Joe Biden can't win. I don't think he's the best. And I think the best of the best should be who we put forward.
We can talk about we didn't send Caitlin Clark to the to the US Olympic team. That was big on a lot of the sports podcast and shows I listen to and I'm part right.
I was like, hey, I get why she's got some growing some development to do. But you know, all the people that are going are the best of the best. And I think we should do the same in our politics.
And an L.A. Tom here too. You know what? L.A. Tom. I mean, definitely with you. And you know this. So we love you. But I'm a little bit. I want to challenge the we had primaries in Joe won those primaries.
I mean, I mean, did we really have primaries? Were there anybody allowed to actually challenge Biden? I mean, you know, people say, well, you know, in the primaries, Joe won all the primaries.
Well, nobody was running against him. There was not a challenger.
You know, and there is you said that we didn't get to see the best emerge out of a field of many people vying for this. It was the presumption of this is the guy who's going to run.
And I think for some of us like me, even that rubs me the wrong way, a presumption that somebody just gets it because they're supposed to when you say there are some incredibly talented, powerful, very articulate and smart and passionate Democrats on that bench.
Let's bring them out. Let's hear what they have to say. Let's get a real taste of truly Johnny, you know, democracy and action. Let's hear and let's then participate, participatory and make decisions around the best for the common good.
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Yeah, he's a texting away. I'm like, whenever I start texting like that, I just pick up the phone and go wait a minute. This is over. I got a call. Tom's got laryngeitis. So that's why he's dropping so much in the texting for us there. Love it. L.A. Tom. And guess what? Yeah, we love you to man always appreciating that busted pencils, you know, L.A. Tom Johnny Lupinacci.
You heard this, you know, this other thing too, you were hinting on this idea of it's 20 for 21 maybe some more 20 from the 21st 20 from the 21st. Okay, not 20 for 21. Okay, that's the whole different thing, you know, and I think you're getting getting confused not to be confused with ESPN's great 30 for 30. Right, but it's 20 from the 21st and we're taking that from Timothy Snyder's.
Right on tight on tyranny. I almost miss nice. You got it.
The shower yet today. That's when I practice that I got it written and dry erase on my shower glass door.
How to spell it? How to say it? How to spell it? So I practice it. So there's a great snappy little book and we've also shared links to our listeners and we'll put one in tonight's podcast too.
So if you're going back and listen to this, you can grab it, you know, but we really want to emphasize that even bigger and it's important that we have these political discussions, Tim, like we're always talking about public education and democracy and the politics of that as well.
But even more important in this moment to us or to me, especially is that, you know, we are really when we say things like democracy is really on the line.
This election is imminent when we use these these hyperbolic terms. Right, I think it's really also a signifier and indication that there's a lot at stake. It's really serious and how what can we do for a lot of people if you're like me.
When I hear there's a big problem, I want to know how I can help. And beyond just the kind of obligatory like, hey, we need to be more participatory. We need to have conversations Tim, like we're having with L.A. Tom and with our callers and like Earl had with the president and the public is having a civic media.
I think these are great moments for us to say and redefine what our relationship looks like, how we build trust and communication and solidarity among our differences. That's so important.
So in that moment, I look to, you know, this, this snappy little list of things, Timothy Snyder shares, right, on, on tyranny.
You say how you want to say it more from potato potato, right, 20 lessons from the 21st century. And what they do is they kind of remind us of ways we can resist and avoid tyranny, right, avoid fascist states taken over and one of the things that we're going to do is we're going to theme those each week.
And the one I'm going to premiere tonight, that the one of the lessons from the 20 from the 21st, right, that we're going to drop in theme all through next week. And it's and I'm pointing to this Joe Biden conversation.
All right, here's where it is. One of them is to stand out. Okay, one of the lessons in the 20 from the 21st is to stand out.
Someone has to write L.A. Tom reminds us we are government for the people by the people. We the people are the government stand out. It's easy to follow along.
It can feel strange to do or say something different, right, to go against the grain. And right now to say we want truth.
We demand these kinds of principles. We want the best of the best to represent our democracy. Right, that can feel strange and sometimes put you in precarious conversations.
But without that unease, without being unease or no without discomfort, there's no freedom. Right, there's no freedom. Think about struggles like people like Rosa Parks, people like who have been real patriots to push push for freedom. Right.
So that's the theme we're taking in the next week. The lesson one of the 20 lessons from the 21st century that we're going to theme throughout all next week.
Come back to it as part democracy in action as part of bus depensals.
Oh, every day next week when you join us listener. It's a reminder as you go into the weekend and we carried into next week stand out. Stand out. Stand out. That's right. Stand out and stand up for your democracy.
The teaser. There's another lesson in there. Be a patriot. That was in the 4th of July, but it still carries with us because it's not just one per week. It's 20 all the time.
Well, let's carry with us into the theme next week. Stand out. I hope listener, you stand out. Give us a call. Join us all week next week. Same time, same place, civic media. We appreciate you.
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And in my headphones and my headphones. I'm hearing in my imaginary world of you know punk rock excellence. I'm hearing punk rock version of space Odyssey 2001 that we're going to we're going to rock out with you every Friday.
Now it's this theme. I just came to me. I think just and I are vibing on the same like we're looking for something that's high energy fully let it. But also that.
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Given us an example, being participatory, Johnny.
I'm telling you, my fingers are tired just thinking of all that type and he's been doing tonight.
Ah, busted pencils. It's Friday. It's it's over almost already. It's over. Man, next week though, talk about some pretty cool things.
I'm going to tease the possibility of a pretty major guest next week, putting in the final touches to try to lock this in to have but very, very, very big national type of guest.
Johnny Lupinace. I've been working on this for about two months. It looks like we're getting this person nailed in. He's going to put it out there. Very, very important to public education.
This person who we're going to be talking to Johnny Lupinace, man, Jess, listener, L.A. Tom, Rita.
Man, everybody have a great weekend. We'll see you all on Monday.