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Hey, welcome back in Busted Pencils, fully-ledded education talk.
It is Thursday and there he is.
This is Johnny Luponacci here doing the intro.
As Dr. Tim Slecker, he was just having to do a little reboot and there's a reason why
we'll get to it.
But he had to do a little reboot to join us today.
Yesterday, though, before we even jump into the fold, Tim, how are you doing?
Excellent.
Absolutely wonderful.
You sound great.
You sound great, man.
That's excellent.
So we'll get to where Tim is because Tim is joining us, not from typically where he
is joining the show, but he is on a special mission.
And no time travel required for this special mission.
But Tim is on location in Minnesota.
But we'll get to what he's doing there and we'll talk about it in this show.
Yesterday, though, we had a great time, kind of a democratic party rally over at the
NBC, Monaco Brewing Company in Madison, Wisconsin.
So folks all across Wisconsin got to listen and for all the folks who picked up the podcast
later that night and today got to listen to another live party over at the NBC.
And it was great conversation, great topics, really good stuff, man.
I'm still, I want to chop it up with you, Tim, when we get a chance.
But I just wanted to come out of the gates and you know, what's the pencils is sponsored
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I'm calling it, you know, the dem, the dem rally party at the NBC, Tim, though, let's get
to you, man.
You have been traveling.
You are on location, uh, absolutely, man, just going all over the place here in many
apolis, Minnesota for the national higher education teaching conference, Johnny, that's it.
National higher education teaching conference, there's a conference to celebrate great teaching
and higher education.
And I'm here on location right now with amazing people.
I mean, I just got here.
So did a couple of handshakes, but, um, you know, the whole idea, we talk about teaching
and learning.
We do a lot of teaching and learning in K 12.
We do talk about higher education and here we are though to recognize to where is great
teaching occurring.
Well, actually here, uh, lots of people celebrating teaching in the college and Johnny, you know,
when I talk about that, that's kind of sometimes a little strange because in our realm of being
professors, you know, there is this kind of sensibilities of going, you know what?
I got my PhD.
I already know how to teach and the reality is is that, you know, we sat there and said,
oh, no, not necessarily true.
Well, yeah, Tim, I mean, I actually have very few people who have their PhD who actually
claim to know how to teach.
They're just thrown into it.
And I'm not talking about in the world of education.
So in when it's so higher education, right, we're talking about like this college, we're
just chopping it up.
It's a fancy word for college.
It's, you know, what comes after high school, I mean, because high school, get it higher.
You got to be the just really fancy word play there, but it's just, you know, it's just
college.
And so in colleges of education, where people go to learn to be teachers, where a lot
of the folks who we have on his guests and things, you know, researchers of K-12 schools
of policy and all that, it is more, more often than not that those people have really
good teaching skills because many of them were teachers or they're really close to education
and they spend some kind of time, usually a considerable amount of it, really, really
practicing and honing the craft if not doing it and researching it and both those.
So there's a kind of little distinction there, but by and large, Tim, this is what's really
cool about where you're on location, by and large, when you become an expert, right?
And I'm, where the folks on the zoom and they can read the video, oh my gosh, I'm all
over the place.
They can see the video and read the context clues, right, of my scare quotes.
You know, this whole thing of you are an expert when you get your PhD, and I put the quotes
around expert, but yes, to a varying degree, you've become like a world-leading expert
as a researcher on that particular topic.
Well you get, you get hired to continue to do that research, but also to teach, you want
to learn from the experts.
So you're kind of thrown into this thing called higher education without the guarantee
if you're the student that the person teaching you might not actually know how to teach
or be taught in teaching.
So the really cool thing about this, Tim, is that this has been a gap in higher education,
because one, we know for learners, you can't just sit and listen to some expert, you know,
give you all the facts or just kind of, you know, the banking model that our guests, Sierra
talked about a couple of days ago, you know, that whole model of like the expert just going
to come up here and talk about all their knowledge and it's going to go into my head.
That's not how it works, right?
And so this fact, the fact that we need to buy in large, support not only our K-12 teachers
and our pre-K teachers and all of those folks in the best ways to teach young children,
but we also need to support the educators who are teaching the almost grown folks, right,
who are in college or beyond.
And so that's kind of where you're at, Tim, you're at on the ground learning from and
with and talking to people who specialize, right, in how to support better teaching at
the college level.
Absolutely, Johnny, you said it is the national higher education teaching conference.
And you great breakdown, though, too, because I think yeah, a lot of people, when you're
talking, so you and I, we've got our PhDs.
We started off as classroom teachers, got our master's degrees and got PhDs, learned
to be researchers around teaching and learning, but people forget a lot, though, too.
And if you've been to college, you know, the reality of being an expert is, is that degree
gives you that expert status.
But a lot of times, Johnny, point this out, the reality is, is that there may or may not
have been, usually there has not been, you know, if you got a PhD in math in history
in chemistry, you worked your butt off, you did some incredibly hard research.
You got your PhD, you're an expert, but you didn't have anything around the realm of
how do you then go and teach that?
And that has been a huge gap in teaching and learning and higher education, because the
assumption that people who have a PhD or, quote, have the, the knowledge are good teachers.
That's just not necessarily true.
And so the idea here that there is an entire national conference devoted to teaching, teaching
excellence in higher education in colleges.
So around here, there are history professors at this conference.
There are art professors at this conference.
There are chemistry professors at this conference.
There are communications professors at this conference.
There's an artificial intelligence expert here at this conference talking about teaching
with artificial intelligence.
Yeah, I know, right?
The whole idea, but it's a celebration and honoring good teaching in colleges.
And what we're doing here too, just so people remember, this was our guest last week, Jonathan
Gurko, the American colleges and university educators, yeah, publicization, Jonathan is hosting
this conference, ACUE, American colleges, university education right there.
He didn't invite me out to this because he had such a great time on busted pencils.
He's like, you got to come and meet some of the people that are doing great teaching and
learning and higher education.
So here I am on the ground, Minneapolis, yeah, I got to talk to Jonathan with busting
truly some pencils.
And hopefully Jonathan's going to get a chance to come on.
If not tonight, maybe tomorrow night, because he's actually now signing his book publicization
that we talked about.
He's out there, Hobnob and having a good time.
But you know, Jonathan created ACUE, this organization.
He's one of the founders of this organization that celebrates, not just celebrates, honors
and really pushes the boundaries to say, you know what, if you're going to teach, doesn't
matter if you're teaching kindergarten, doesn't matter if you're teaching graduate level chemistry,
you got to have good teaching.
And so here again, celebrating, honoring and saying, what is it that makes teaching great?
Well, there's lots of different things.
So a great chemistry teacher, a great art teacher.
And these are professors, PhDs.
So Johnny, I am excited to be here on the ground and just looking at the, yeah, the number
of people here who are just celebrating teaching, also learning from one another, like, I mean,
so I'm glad you're there, partying with the teachers, but, but learning and celebrating
I guess, I sense this, this, this energy of optimism you have that there are really
great educators converging on the Twin Cities over there, Minneapolis, not too far from
Wisconsin.
A lot of our listeners, you know, across the state of Wisconsin, not too far over.
But Tim, you made the track, right?
And you're chopping it up with all these folks, and I can't wait to hear what unfolds
in the next couple of days.
You know, we at least got tomorrow show for the, for the weekly wrap up where you can,
you can report out and maybe bring, bring some friends on.
This is cool, man.
I'm hoping.
I am absolutely hope.
So chopping it up a bit with you, Tim, and I know we're going to be going to break here
in a minute so we won't dive into too heavy of a topic, but man, I just want to revisit
last night some really awesome conversations that came, came to the surface, some really
great stuff with the live remote.
I'm calling it the, you know, the Democratic rally, that, that the party, the listening
party at the Monaco Brewing Company yesterday.
So some really great conversations that came out of that.
But just your aftermath, your thoughts, you know, like we took guests right to the end.
So Tim and Johnny didn't get to break it down, but I was just curious.
You know, how did you enjoy it?
I saw, I saw a big smile on your face.
So tell us.
I thought, yeah, I thought it was a great night and talk about though the support civic
media, producers, engineers, all of the technicalities that went into seriously doing a remote,
remote, remote, all of that pulling it off, being able to have a live microphone in
Milwaukee, brewing companies in their tap room, having all of those conversations.
And you know, really talking about, yeah, let's, let's get the Democratic community around
Monaco Brewing Company.
Let's get them registered to vote.
We got to talk to, you know, a great friend and hope, you know, we put the invitation
out to him, the president of Madison Teachers Incorporated, Michael Jones, I'm just really
laying out the, you know, yeah, right?
You know, and so we got the invitation so we can have Michael back on the show, but you
know, Kirk, doing all that work with Monaco Brewing Company, all of the Democratic Party
there, you know, to get out, have a nice time, drink some beers, but mostly and more importantly,
you know, coming together to make sure that people are registered to vote, doing their civic
duty.
So civic media being there, busted pencils, fully let it, Johnny, yeah.
And then I check back in from Minneapolis when we get break.
Oh, yes, Johnny, this sounds like you're
a song, a teenage anarchist, busted pencils, fully let it, education talk, educated educators,
talking education, oh, man, yeah, you know, let's do music play, Johnny, though, great show
as you said last night, yeah, live from the Monaco Brewing Company, tap room, Kirk being
there, you know, which constant public education network enjoying the time being there, you
know, yeah, well, there we go, no, it was, there we go, and I love, I love the song, the
break in, the the teenage anarchist of a little correction for you, Tim, I'm a grown man
anarchist, I'm an anarchist, so that's also part of my like love for yesterday was a little
bit of the chaos, a little bit of the all sides kind of shared, I love some energy around
organizing the vote, even though as an anarchist, I'm like, okay, voting is an important part
of democracy, but we have a whole lot more to do than just check a box.
We're kind of in the mess we're in because democracy has been reduced to checking a box.
That said, we also really need to vote because it's really dang important, but yeah, I love
this, I love the lead in, love the song, love the stuff we were talking about last night
on the show.
Yeah, well, think about what Kirk's doing there in the neighborhood, though, too, really
pointing out and saying like, you know, he intentionally put Milwaukee in the Monaco
Brewing Company, you know, in a neighborhood where they're, you know, trying to bring about
more democratic participation, and I mean that, you know, participation in democracy,
and really talking to the teachers in the Madison area to get out, you know, to get the teachers
registered to vote.
And then though, Johnny, have the teachers go into the community to talk to their, you
know, we love this concept, talk to their neighbors, their neighbors there, and get them registered
to vote, talk to them about the issues that are important, do some conversations.
Say, you know, I'm here, do you know, you know, why, do you know why we go to referendum
as Michael Jones was saying, is it really, you know, and having that conversation.
So the work teachers are doing by going door to door in those local neighborhoods to inform
our neighbors about the issues that play particularly around public education and the reality
in the threat that there is, and there's a threat.
There's an absolute threat to public education, and we know that.
And so the easiest way to push back on that threat, Johnny, guess what?
You know, check the box.
You got to check the box.
You got to do more than that.
You got to get, you got to get active.
You got to know, but we need people checking the box because, you know, the last thing I
want to see in November is the, oh, man, I'm afraid to mention it, Johnny, but, you know,
what would happen the possibility, if the democratic, and you would think he was, I know, I mean,
the panic.
I know.
Like the sky is falling.
The sky is falling.
Oh, no.
Not an election.
Here it comes.
What are we going to do?
I'm telling you, this is the anarchist coming out today.
If anybody, if anybody wants to take up a beef with it, call us up.
Give us a call, but also just on the board, she woke the beast.
Here it is.
I mean, I'm just saying like it is like, okay, we do have to vote, but I brought it up
yesterday, and I love energy around it.
So I don't want to, I don't want to say it's instead of, but it's both and we have to
be organized and active on a local level.
And I think Tim, that's what you're getting, getting that when you're talking about the
great aspect of seeing people at the NBC, the Monaco Brewing Company, having those conversations
together because they're organizing a grassroots in a grassroots way as neighborhood by neighborhood,
community by community, city by city, county by county, you know, democracy is at its strongest
when we have local involvement and participation.
That is exactly, you know, kind of the essence of it.
So I'm really excited to have that conversation because I think there's a clarification
too.
I want to bounce back to Tim and I want to have further conversations about it and listeners
had reached out and brought it up too.
You know, they were saying, hey, I want to know more about the neighborhood.
And so it's really cool because actually, you know, it sounded a little bit like, you
know, Kirk was talking about this grassroots movement in a way that folks could get together
and get out.
But then, you know, we had some texts and some callers say, hey, I love what y'all are
doing.
I love the energy around the democratic organizing.
That's super important.
Like, let's go.
Let's go local.
Let's go like national.
It's an important election.
Agreed with all that.
They were like, want to know more about the neighborhood.
So we're going to follow up because people were saying, how is that not just gentrification?
And so, and I think it's going to be an important thing to talk about when we're talking about
how we get together, especially as Democrats, like members of the Democratic Party who have
kind of a history of, you know, saying, you need to vote.
You need to vote.
You need to vote.
You need to vote for us.
Well, what are you actually doing for us?
So I mean, I'm just playing a little piece of that.
The anarchist is coming out saying, like, it's not just that, like, because it's a two-party
system, you get everything you want because we have to or we have the lesser of two evils.
I mean, that worked in past elections.
I don't think it's going to fly in this upcoming one.
It's a really critical one.
So I want us to get more nuanced about what's actually being offered and what is the benefit
for all those people who are as one of our great guests and regular voices.
I'm Heather, you know, from WPN was saying, I'm the sidelines, let's get off the sidelines
and get in.
And I think folks are ready to get in.
But they need more than just to be told that they need to vote Democratic.
They need more.
Absolutely.
They need to be inspired.
And, you know, I'm going to point to this.
You want inspiration.
You take a teacher of the president of Milwaukee or Madison Teachers Education Incorporated
Michael Jones.
Him being able to inspire, again, you said, Johnny, yeah, it's not just about checking
boxes.
It's about getting active, understanding and realizing.
And really, those two taking advantage of what Heather also reminded us, there are new
maps right now in Wisconsin, the ability to possibly get rid of that, you know, the
idea now that you can actually go in and possibly by voting, though, really bring those,
some balance back to whether it's, you know, it's been totally in Wisconsin, you know,
a Republican stack system because of the bad maps.
They've got new maps.
Get out there.
Get to vote.
And Johnny, you know what, though, too, man, what a great night.
I know I'm going to get back and head to the conference here, but I got to believe
you with this so you can kind of come back and start with it.
You know, we talk about book, there's news, there's education news all the time.
And I know this is going to sound like the onion, but it ain't the onion.
This is true.
They're in Florida, moms for liberty through a school board.
They went and had a book band.
And the book that they had banned is a book about book bands.
So the book band, book band is banned.
So Johnny, figure that one out.
Busted pencils when you come back right there, and for the next half hour, go get some
work done, and we'll see you when you get back.
Thanks brother, man.
Really appreciate it.
And I know, man, you wanted to set the world on fire.
When you went out, man, you wanted to set the world on fire.
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Great comment right before the break we got from Chris Casper.
Unfortunately with our two-party system, we've only got two choices until money is out
of politics and he puts in quotes, it'll never be.
This is the reality of it.
Younger candidates with new ideas of the answer, we have had enough of old white dudes calling
the shots.
Oh, man.
Chris, I feel like just how you think you're feeling that one deep in your bones, too, huh?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like, please, and I don't know what we have to do.
And that's partly why I say I get why our national elections are so important, I get
why presidential elections, we can dive into it and we will on this show a little bit today.
And then in future shows about like Project 25 and all these like really conservative agendas
for federal policy and education, but education is a state right, we'll come back to that.
The other thing is really about local elections, I am seeing.
This is the thing I'm energizing and excited because I am seeing at a more local level,
at a state level, I am seeing really exciting candidates, really young, diverse people who
are throwing down for democracy, who are really great at representing that.
And I want to see that higher up.
And I've been saying that for, I don't even know how many years now, like 16 years of,
you know, really saying, okay, I think it's about to happen.
And I think it's about to happen and we get close and then where are we?
And so I understand the importance and we'll work in that context, especially when we
talk about, you know, the election coming up in November, at the same point, man, Chris
text him from Chris, really big one, I get that and I feel it deep in my bones, just
you feel it too.
It's like, okay, enough, let's, let's be part of the change.
Absolutely.
There's something that you talked about a fair bit yesterday that, and you mentioned
it just a moment ago, that education is the state rights and education policies are for
the most part set at the state.
I mean, there are some national policies, but there's big federal ones and I come with
dollars.
They certainly do.
Yeah.
But those policies that really have the biggest impact on each individual person, those
tend to be decided at the municipality level, at the congressional district level, at
the local level.
So while the national elections are huge, please vote in every election.
Yes, please vote in every election.
And don't like like Chris, Jess and I don't lose hope that, that, that the younger candidates
with the new ideas, they're not even really new ideas.
They're just ideas we haven't listened to, really ever in a leadership level.
But I'm talking about like there are, there are folks out there, you are that folks.
If you're a listener out there and you're saying like, I could be that change, certainly,
you can be that change at a local level and I don't just mean like on your block, although
that matters too.
I mean like in your, like, like Jess was saying, in your, you know, district, in your, you
know, county, in your state, in your school, running for school board, right, these kinds
of positions are really important.
And, and I do see them being radicalized in a good way in a, in a, in a radicalization
and a bend towards human rights and democracy.
And so I'm, I get excited and energized by that because then it's like, when we get to
the presidential election, it's super important, but it's like, how much do we have to explain?
We really, really want something different and, and by different, I don't mean more
fascist.
Right.
And I'm not, I don't mean, I'm by no means referring to, you know, the presidential candidate
and the Democrat Party Joe Biden as fascist.
I don't think I think he is, you know, a worthy, you know, politician running for an office.
You know, I would want more.
Certainly.
He's competent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's mid.
He's mad.
Like we've said that.
We pulled in the, the alpha slang.
Yeah.
That's a great conversation.
A little cross show promotion, Maggie Dawn show on earlier in the day.
I know some listeners, you catch it too.
I mean, it's a great show.
Got to chop it up with Maggie yesterday and we talked a fair bit about, you know, Biden,
like what would our wish list be, providing, and you know what?
It's all stuff that's sort of no brainer for younger and not, it's not really, I don't
want to sound ages because you don't need to be young to be hip to the vibe.
Like I'm just saying, like it generally tends to be a youth voice that's like enough
already.
Let's do this.
Do this differently.
Let's do this better.
But like Chris reminded us, this is what we're in.
And so we can be very active at a local level to change that, but we also got to do everything
we can.
It's all hands on deck.
And I really hope on this is one of my dreams.
I hope I wake up and there's something really radically different that's going to be about
this fall election.
I mean, we're going to talk about it a lot.
We're going to work all hands on deck to prevent fascism from taking over the election.
But also we don't want to beg for crumbs and for less than every single person in this
country deserves.
And I think we can do better on on all fronts.
So let's get to that.
But before we get back to the weight of some of that stuff, right?
And the anarchist angst that I'm feeling today just thanks for the music.
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If you think real education has been repressed now, look at Project 25, all finding
scientific and an educational have to be aligned with conservative values.
In other words, give the results and we'll show how to get them.
Yeah, Jack, Jack brought this up, he came up on our show yesterday and it's part when
we're talking about this like the importance of elections and things that are going on.
You know what, this Project 25 thing, it's sort of like, it's pretty detailed and we've
been diving into it and in the context of education, it is unabashedly saying we would like
to do away with the federal department of education.
So those, like some of those services will just go away, we'll get into what those are,
we're going to have whole shows on this, I guarantee it.
But you know, that in general, that that branch of the office is going away.
If that if Project 25 is, is real and I say that if because two things have to happen
one, the election has to go a particular way to a whole lot of people actually have to
be like, yeah, this is a really great plan.
Sadly enough, there are a lot of people who really think this is a good plan.
It is unabashedly saying it will all have to be aligned to conservative values, right?
So that's a really kind of important thing and we'll come back to it because not only do
we have great texts from Jack from Merrimack, we got Joanne on the line from Madison,
Joanne.
How are you doing?
Really good.
I've got a kind of captain obvious comment, tearing about this amazing conference over in
Minneapolis reminds me of how much work educators do over the summer.
If you're not involved in education, sometimes you don't recognize that those three months
are precious in terms of how to learn new talents, network, all of that stuff.
And now with AI on top of it, skills that we all have to refresh and know and integrate
into our daily practices as educators, it's pressure that's enormous.
And then the political stuff on top of that, I mean, this is the summer.
This is the hectic summer of all time.
And I hope that the educators who are listening realize that they'll need to take some time
off for vacation too and relax because there is even more coming and fall.
Yes, Joanne, thanks for the call.
And I don't think it's as obvious as you said, I think it's important that you brought
it up.
So really appreciate that perspective because I know unless you're an educator and you're
listening and you're wondering, like summer, we're like, yeah, summer for most teachers
school is out this week or it's been out for a few weeks across our country and most
of colleges are on break or in between semesters or if they're in a traditional academic calendar
they're out for summer.
But this, the teachers are busy all the time.
They're always working and there's always work to do.
Remember, even for the people who are like, yeah, but then you have this break, this time
off in the summer, well, Joanne reminded us we need that time off because we don't have
a 40 hour work week, we just don't and I know and I'm not saying that that other people
do and a lot of like in other, there are hard working people across many professions that
also need to be, we need to advocate that they need breaks to and might not be in the
same form as like July and August, but you need to be able to breathe.
We need to be able to slow down.
We need to be able to take care of ourselves and one another and Joanne, so I wish it was
more obvious, but I appreciate you bringing it up and yeah, there's all these college
educators or higher education faculty learning how they can better teach.
I'm excited about that because Joanne, you're right, even being a veteran teacher.
I think I'm pretty, I like to say I'm pretty good at my craft, but I'm always learning
and there's always new things and Joanne hit the nail in the head this year.
Those past few years have been a lot of new things at once, a whole lot, they're exciting
things, right, largest social uprising of all of our lifetime, right, learning how to
teach even more with more diverse knowledge and attention to diverse cultures and ways
of identifying, it's been awesome to be a learner and to be a teacher in this political
moment.
Also, democracy on a lifeline, that's stressful, but it's super important that we all commit
to being the best kind of teachers we can and to strengthening public education.
At the same time, we are coming off of COVID, that was really wild for a lot of people all
around the world, but especially for teachers, right, teachers out there, there was a lot
of learning.
I know for me, it was like a fast learning curve I was thrown into and how not only to
teach online, I knew about online teaching, but I hadn't done a lot online teaching, but
do it in real time with Zoom rooms and all kinds of video, and then right as it was starting
to become part of my teaching craft, right, and I was learning about, I was reading the
distance learning playbook, right, all the different ways to maximize and be the best teacher
I could be with the tools that are available to my students and myself, boom, now I'm back
in the classroom, but in a way I had never been before, some students are online, some
students are live and then video conference some are there, and now there's like there's
like three competing pedagogies, that's a fancy word does educators like to say for like
the science of teaching, it's just a fancy word for like how we teach and the research
that informs it.
So my teaching craft really took a lot of turns and it was like all over the place and
it's been a high amount of learning for all of us educators, so join remind us to take
a break, that's exactly what we're going to do here at Busted Pencils is take that
break and we'll be right back with you just after this great music and a little bit of
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Welcome back Busted Pencils, fully let it education talk, the last leg, stick around, check
out my man Pete Schwabbusho, you got the Scotty summer giveaway at the top of the 7 p.m.
hour, get that code texted in, listeners you know the drill, right, so get on it.
But we were talking right before we went to break about the importance of breaks, so
that was a good timing.
So thank you Joanne Collar for your wise reminder for educators out there to take breaks,
even though you're always working, you're always teaching, you're still on, even though
technically you're off, you tend not to be great at taking breaks and we need to for
our health, for our effectiveness for the for the children, if not for you for the children,
I need you to take a break too, yeah, you got to regulate regulators, mount up.
So it's really important to take those breaks, thank you Joanne for reminding us, not
always something I'm the best at, I'll admit just some bad at taking breaks, so working
on that, Tim is boots on the ground, not taking a break right now, he is, you know, at
that higher education educators conference, it's got a lot of acronyms, he'll fill us in
on it tomorrow, we'll be able to chop it up with him and I bet you, I just know, I know
my man, he is a man of the people, right, he's going to rustle up some folks who I bet
join us on the show tomorrow, I just have a hunch, if not, he'll have loads of great stories
because the texts are coming in with great, great shots from, from this conference and
I'm like, man, how come this doesn't look like the kind of conference I'm typically,
I look like they're at the sphere, I mean, there's kind of like, so they are, these teachers
are real, he wasn't joking, they are celebrating, they're learning to teach together, so that's
pretty cool.
Good for them, good for them, I do want to come back around too, because I think it's really,
it's really on the minds of a lot of us when we, when we do talk about the election and
we do talk about what it means for education and we started to just scratch the surface
because that's kind of where we're at with it, we mean we do have a detailed report again
that project 25, what it means for public education, we wanted to take, take a whole show
and do that and really bring on some people who, who have like really taken, even closer
look than myself and Tim have at, you know, the 44 pages of the 900 some pages that specifically
tell us about the plans for education and so that, I think that's important to take
a close look at.
But in summary, for listener out there said like the last couple of shows, people have been
talking about project 25 and I've heard it in other contexts, but not necessarily related
to education.
Here's the big quick takeaways before we wrap up the show tonight, if you're thinking
about in general, why, why so much alarm or what's like the big, big concern?
And there are, there are related, entangent ones believe me, this is like a can of worms.
Once you start to open a few of these, you'll realize that they don't operate as single
concerns that connect it to a lot of things that moves far beyond the scope of just public
education.
But one is, you know, the project 25 advocates for or basically promises that the department
of education closes.
And so that means there, that in it, in the way it currently operates, if you read kind
of closely, it closed down some of the things.
This is big because there are really important payments of money that go out to states through
work.
And there's a lot of advocacy and a lot of important civil rights work that is underwritten by
the Department of Education, both under Republican and Democrat, historically, you know, administrations.
That's been a place to the role for federal policy.
You know, speak about the importance of everyone's rights in this country and to ensure civil
rights are valued at the state level.
So states can't just kind of go off on their own and, you know, decide to be, you know,
breaking human rights laws everywhere.
Although we come back to education is a state right.
So we'll get into those nuances because there can be federal cases that are heard when
a state isn't quite in compliance, usually around these civil rights kinds of things.
That's one of the things that the project 25 does threaten.
It says by abolishing that office, it also sort of enforces and it will, you know, be
replaced and enforced at all kind of efforts need to be aligned with conservative values.
And so it would essentially the reboot of at federal education department would be statistics
and fact finding.
People kind of research, I put some, I put some quotes around that for people watching
the video, research for educational statistics and findings to support conservative values.
They have to be aligned with and support conservative values.
So this is essentially a think tank takeover of a democracy.
It is a fascist government's plan to say, here's what we want to do.
Here's what we want to do in regards to public education.
Also as a highlight of this and I'm not, I guess I'm sort of using the sarcasm because
it's not really a highlight, but a key point or like a real bummer is also that it further
green lights or it's in efforts to as part of that pushing conservative values, more privatization
of schools and in fact really like the model being pointing towards schools that have gone
fully to school choice and vouchers.
So this has decimated urban schools, this has decimated rural schools and communities.
This is simply not shown to have strengthened economy or strengthen education for many
communities.
What it does is it lines the pockets of the people who are investing in private education
as a profit, as a profit space, not as a place to increase the quality of education.
That's sort of the myth that gets purported.
So these are big things that are likely to be unrolled and with enough time for us to
really talk about them and that's what I really hope to do on bus to pencils.
Tim and I both talked about this like do we give time to really unpack in this project
25 because neither of us are big Trump fans, but that's not going to help the issue.
So yes, we would love to hear from you listener as you're kind of going along with us.
Remember, you can always call us 8557524842, save it in your phone, give us a call because
we want to walk through like what why look at project 2025?
Well, because it is important to understanding what we decide to do with our election, with
our voting.
Really, if we want to combat this conservative value takeover, but but also really make
sure we keep diversity, then we have to understand what the plan is and why and what we need
to be responding to.
So lots of that coming up on bus to pencils tomorrow, we get high energy Tim bow back on
the show.
My man Tim bomb sliding back in to talk about what college teachers are learning over there
miniapolis.
Jess, I'm sure you and I will chop it up to review the week, but I'll be with Anya because
Jess is going to be taking a break like Joanne suggested.
So Jess, we will see you when you come back.
Thanks for all you do.
Almost you guys, but I need that time to regulate to absolutely.
So let's regulate and be back tomorrow listener.
We appreciate you.
This is bus to pencils.