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Oh boy, is it ever Tim?
I mean, we are here, you know, together in person, doing the show side by side.
I mean, usually we're over our computers and our offices are in our remote studios, but
this is special.
Yeah.
So we put this out last week.
What have Tim and Johnny never done before together?
We have never done the show before together in person over the last four and a half years.
This is the absolute first time Johnny and I, we met yesterday in the Chicago airport for
the first time, four and a half years.
So we put that out there.
Nobody won the free t-shirt because we technically have done nothing together in real life in
person.
I mean, I originally came on the show, Tim.
It was right.
That's COVID was happening and so I was a guest.
And then it was remote from then on and you and I sort of co-hosted since then.
And so now here we are together, together, live because there's a special thing happening
tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
Minakwa Brewing Company will be there.
We will be at the Minakwa Brewing Company for a live show at the tap room in Madison,
Busted Pencils.
Yeah.
April 30th.
That's Tuesday.
We'll be there.
So come on out live broadcast show.
We want to see you there.
Yeah, we want to see you show.
But you know what?
Yeah, Johnny, we did not give away the free t-shirt and that is interesting as you said,
low hanging your fruit.
We've never done anything.
So the answer would have been literally any thing.
You guys good to say.
Tim and Johnny, you've done nothing together.
Right.
Truly because we have truly only seen each other through the computer interface over the
last four and a half years.
So it is amazing, though, to see you finally, to meet you.
And here we are in the civic media headquarters in Madison right off of state street in person,
man.
I know.
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Come on out.
Be there.
Meet Tim and Johnny.
And yeah, you could be like, I got to see Tim and Johnny the very first time they got
to see each other.
And it's a special night too because we got Luke on the board.
Yes.
And Luke was the producer.
Luke was the original producer when you joined the show.
Yeah.
That's my day one back there on the board.
And sub boys.
There he is.
I'd have to be with you here.
Man.
It's a regular old party up here.
What do you think, Luke, seeing us together for the first time?
Man, this is, this takes me back to him.
It's been a while since I've seen you and never, never before the two of you in one place
like this.
Yeah.
We may be messing with something here.
Yeah.
I don't know what to do.
Maybe the, yeah, the universe may do something.
Who knows?
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Education.
The ones is bringing the former president to the state, uh, way to this week, are you?
No, sir.
No, sir.
Don't, don't put that on us.
The four.
No, come on.
Eight five five seven five two four eight four two.
Who's going to be the first caller to call Tim and Johnny busted pencils while they're
finally together in the studio in Madison, civic media headquarters right on state street.
Yeah.
You can come out there.
We want to see somebody out at the window down there going, you know, kind of wave up
to us.
We'll show you a wave.
It's busted pencils.
We're going to do the show.
So Johnny, excitement, we know tomorrow night, but guess what?
Back to the busting pencils, it is education.
We were covering this topic last week, historic title nine past.
Yeah.
All right.
And we talked about what did the new title nine do?
It said, all of those students who are already in your schools, we have to accept, we have
to include all of our brothers and sisters, regardless.
It got turned into, well, now that now girls can't go to the bathroom alone, you know, and
there's going to be boys in the girls' bathroom.
No, no, no, no, it's very inclusive.
The whole idea, gender, yes, we are going to acknowledge and include gender identifying
students.
If they, if they have different, we're going to LGBTQ plus community.
We're going to identify and include and not discriminate against.
Well, it's like title nine clarified title nine, you know, 2.0 long overdue, but clarified
for, you know what Tim, I love about this, clarified for what this up and coming generation
is saying, Hey, we are a diverse group of people.
We want to be able to share space together.
We'd like to be able to feel safe.
We buy in large don't.
And so how can we make this a little bit easier for policymakers, for our schools, for
the businesses that we go to?
So this is really, you know, an important clarification that came through.
But like most important clarifications, for some reason, and I guess I'm using the sarcasm
tonight, Tim, I'm wearing the sarcasm good for some reason, right?
It was picked up and purported in ways that really distorted it, you know, and not to
be shocked, conservatives are up in arms over this clarified title nine.
Yep.
Because here it is headline Monday, K 12 dive leaders in conservative states advised their
districts to disregard the new title nine rule.
And from the article, conservative states are directing districts to disregard the US
Department of Education title nine rule finalized in April 19th, at least five states,
Louisiana, Montana, Florida, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.
So far have recommended that all districts in those states change their and don't or do
not change their anti sex discrimination policies and response to the new rules.
Because you know why, Johnny?
It will break state law because remember prior to this, we had all of the anti woke bills.
And so don't say gay bills.
Well, that's law now.
And so if you're going to enforce title nine, you're going to break state law is the argument
here.
Because we have discriminatory state law.
We got to uphold discriminatory state law so that you really, it's like, so I'm going
to follow the law to break the federal law.
And this is good for who?
Well, it sure seems like a big government versus small government debacle.
And you know what, and this is one of the times where I think it's, it's, it's important
for, you know, our federal policy, you know, this title nine to really, to really rally
around states, you got to kind of fall in line on this.
You can go ahead and pass these bills.
But we've seen it court cases that have gone all the way up to state supreme court that
these exclusionary bills that have been passed aren't holding up in court.
Right.
So let's, you know, I'm usually much more cynical about the system, Tim, but I'm actually
hopeful in this context.
So the question is, so if I'm in a state or a school district or, you know, and even
people right now, you know, in Wisconsin, going to a guy, I know our, we've heard that, you
know, we're not going to abide by that new title nine.
What's, what happens if schools do not comply with title nine?
Well, an education spokesperson said in a statement that, I guess what?
Those must comply with the final regulations as a condition of receiving their federal funds.
So the money, and we talk about this, guess what?
Your public schools are already hurting for the inappropriate funding that the states
are already giving them the, in fact, the deep funding that the states have already
leveled on our local public schools.
And now they're saying, hey, federal, the federal money that comes in, we're going to put
that money in jeopardy now because we're going to actually, let's be, let's call this
what this really means, which is going to be, we're going to enforce discrimination,
exclusion, bullying, harming people.
We're going to, you know, and we're not going to get money by doing really harmful,
hurtful things to our children.
Yeah, I mean, it's just sad to read that, that districts are being advised in these
states to not follow, you know, sex discrimination policies.
I mean, that's that, but that is important to note, that's kind of the state of things
right now, there is really not an in between.
Again, we said it last week, we talked about this, you either support safety and
inclusion in our communities or you're a person who advocates for violence against,
you know, the members of our families, the members of our communities, the students
that go to our school, the people that work in them, you know, general public,
it's, you know, you're either in a politics of hatred or a politics of empathy and an
understanding.
And, and you know, I hear it all the time here, I don't care about your feelings.
I think we had a superintendent in Oklahoma saying he didn't care about students feelings.
Right. Right.
And so somehow it's become cool to not care about how people feel, but there's
nothing cool about that.
And I'm, and I'm making light of it, but it's actually really serious, right?
Because it, it, it shouldn't come down to a matter of those kinds of political opinions
when we have on fact and this, you know, these new sex discrimination policies,
anti sexual discrimination policies are based on, not only science,
I need to lean on that, but just on general well-being.
They're not even a general humanity.
They're not even imposing anything other than, hey, how do we make it safer and
more inclusive for everybody to participate?
That means participate in the economy.
That means participate in our school.
So this isn't just about schools and classrooms and children.
This is about our local businesses.
This is about like Friday night football, Tim.
You love to talk about Friday night football.
Who's, who's included in that whole process?
You name it, right?
Who's there?
Well, and so title nine here it is.
So we're, we're not going to comply.
We're not going to include.
So according to some of these states, we would love to know if what you're
hearing do the districts that you are out there with, you know, if you're
out there and you know, or you say, we would actually love to hear about
districts who are already doing the inclusion.
Yeah, and let's just go on a little bit of attention too.
You know, if you're out there listening, you know, I, I would like to see
more consistency from opposition in this because I get it.
If you're a person out there who said, you know what, I don't like federal
governments involvement in these local things because the federal government
is doing the sort of daddy war bucks thing.
And if you're not following the rules, you're not getting your allowance,
you're not getting your money.
So, you know, I, I don't, I get that opposition.
We'd like to hear from you.
Let's keep chopping it up.
Yeah, you've got eight, five, five, seven, five, two busted pencils.
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title nine inclusion, humanity.
No, not in our state.
No way, man.
We want to hurt, we want to harm people.
It's sarcastic.
Yeah, I know, but it's busted pencils.
Next, what about pregnancy?
We'll see.
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Tim and Johnny busted pencils, civic media headquarters face to face.
First time here we are producer Luke on the boards title nine.
Yeah, guess what title nine inclusion.
Hey, humanity.
Well, let's be good to our neighbors.
No, no, no, no, no.
LA Tom, our friend LA Tom has something to say.
LA Tom, what's happening, our friend?
Tom, you there, man.
Again, here you, LA Tom, we'll figure them out here and we'll figure it out and get them on.
He's LA Tom on hold, but we'll get him back.
So yeah, Johnny, the inclusion, you know, is actually.
So if you're particularly late Florida, guess who would have thought Florida would say,
yeah, we're not going to uphold humanity.
We're not going to include or uphold inclusion.
We're going, we're going to continue to mandate bullying mandate.
Let's be honest, mandate harm because this really does, this causes harm.
And, you know, to make matters worse now, too, guess what?
Now pregnancy accommodations are now being sued by 17 states are saying, you know what?
The agency's, agencies recently promulgated pregnancy, pregnancy accommodation rules,
yet those are a problem.
We do not want to accommodate people who are pregnant.
This is where we're at.
It's 2024 and we are literally hearing 17 states now saying,
accommodations for people who are pregnant.
Yeah, we don't want that.
We're going to sue that.
I see right now, though, too, we do have, we got a caller.
One other caller right now, seeing who we are.
Yeah, check it out, man.
We'd love to have you on the show.
Caller, what's happening?
What's your name?
There they are.
Caller, caller.
Yeah, we got LA Tom call.
Hey, LA Tom, if we got the connection,
LA Tom, what's happening on our friend?
Hey, guys, first off, we, the people ultimately are the government.
We must never forget that.
And as far as title now goes, I mean,
what a great thing that we have some,
we're becoming more of a humanist society.
And maybe that's what we need.
Maybe we need to be more humanist and not look at people
in terms of their sex, their sexual orientation,
their sexual identity, the caller of their skin.
We just need to look at people as people.
And start looking at people as we all bleed the same red blood.
That would be a really great way to start, I would think.
And this notion of this whole idea of males
getting into women's locker rooms and all this kind of stuff,
you know what, I'm sorry, that's a white, straight male predator
type of fantasy, I think.
And I don't think you have to worry about that,
most people that are trans are actually afraid to actually go in the bathroom
because we've had, not that I'm trans, but because I'm gay,
we've always had that fear of getting beat up, basically.
So I don't think you have to worry about anybody,
you know, going to try to mess with anybody,
unless you're a straight white male and you have that type of predator.
So yeah, I'm so happy that we're moving towards this humanist approach.
I honestly have been using more of the way them pronouns,
just because of the fact that, honestly,
I think it's very, very good for women.
When there's so many names like Jordan and Frankie
and all these different names that could go for men or women.
And I know when I do like, when I call on a call center or whatever it is,
I say they are them because sometimes I don't know.
And you know what, it's just nice to be able to have it.
And I think also when it comes to job applications,
people aren't going to know if they're male or female immediately.
And I think that's a good thing because now you are actually judging people
on their character and their grades and all of these different things
and that on whether they're a male or a female.
So yeah, I've done a lot of, I was a progression on this.
At first, I was like, I don't know if the pronoun thing makes sense to me.
But the more and more that I've actually kind of bounced it off different things
and have used it a couple different times, it is pretty cool.
It's pretty cool, so it's just looking at people with human beings.
Tom, you said something to the two, which I think I don't know.
I've heard people say, you know, it's like, well, it doesn't make sense to me.
And I've heard that people, you know, say it's like, I don't get it.
It doesn't make sense to me.
You're like, okay, but it doesn't have to make sense to you.
It's not about you, you know, it's not my uncomfortability that's the issue here.
It's the inclusion of, and then intentionally saying to other people,
we are comfortable, we are welcoming.
And so, well, you know, I don't really like the way this people are throwing around.
It's not about you.
It's not about you, John, either.
Well, it's always about you, John, either.
Yeah, and I mean, to this degree, I asked a question like, why?
Like what, like really what's uncomfortable about it is different.
That can be uncomfortable sometimes, right?
So deal with it.
Like, I mean, Tom, I'm not telling you to deal with it.
It's like, it's really thoughtful, and I appreciate you sharing that,
because we have listeners out there, you're listening.
You might be saying, I'm thinking about this right now,
and I'm not sure where I fit into this, but you're thinking about it.
And it's a wonderful example.
Thank you, LA Tom, for sharing it.
That, you know, you were open enough to think about what was different about it.
How did it, you know, where did you fall?
And what you wanted to change in your day-to-day life about this.
And I think some of us, we've been there.
We thought like, this is different.
You know, we were taught strict rules of grammar
that are all wrapped up in some of these oppressions.
So it sounded different.
It felt different.
It felt like I was writing incorrectly when I was writing that way.
But that's the thing.
You got to be open to change, especially when you're open to change
that has been asked by people who are suffering
at the hands of doing things the way they've always been done.
So it's like, can we be collectively a community that has opened to change?
And that's what I come to you too.
A lot of this opposition is really about,
like we talked a little bit about, you know, this fear
that maybe straight white men really put into these responses.
But it's also just this selfishness
that it means giving up a little bit.
It means you can't control and be dominant in every space.
It means that now, God forbid,
you're sharing a bathroom with other people.
And we talked about it another day.
We just walked past some porta-johns outside.
And I thought, you know what?
How long have these things been out here?
And every concert I'd ever been to, every event,
they don't say like, this is the male porta-john.
This is the female porta-john.
You know, there's a battlegrounds over some things.
It's really about giving up what you've controlled.
And so people in power have a real hard time with that.
But there's so many invitations to growth
that there is an open invitation coming from most community members
who have been excluded and are hurting in these situations.
Who are saying, hey, can you just think about doing this
a little bit differently?
And by golly, when we do it a little bit differently,
we see the benefits in our schools, in our communities.
And here we have this clarified title nine,
saying, guess what, if you want federal funding,
you gotta do this differently.
You gotta understand that there's a real penalty
to discriminating based on, you know,
but you can't do sex discrimination.
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Wonder if we're gonna talk about guns again.
No, you're gonna see what's gonna happen.
Guns of blazing.
Oh.
Make no mistake.
We are not afraid.
To battle but never repeating.
With the thinking that he way, let's race.
You're feeling the heat around here.
Yeah, but we're feeling the, you're feeling the heat.
It's busted pencils.
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Yeah, we're waving to you out there.
You see that?
You know, Johnny, that's what we do.
It's busted pencils fully.
Let it all the students coming home from class.
Students are coming home.
8557, buddy.
So we're talking about Title IX, the fact that Title IX, historic, you know,
inclusion.
I mean, we should say the historic part of the new updated regulations to Title IX was the
inclusion of all these others that were have largely for the most part been on the
and susceptible to bullying.
We now hear the guess what?
There are states that had kind of put in all the some form of a don't say gay law or
not kind of coming back and going, but that'll be breaking state law because,
you know, we made it a state law that you had to be a jerk in a bully.
I mean, the language doesn't say it that way, but, you know, anytime you have a don't say gay bill,
that really is saying we made it legal to bully and be a jerk.
And so we don't want to apply the federal guidelines.
We're not going to apply the federal guidelines.
Okay, well, then you're going to lose federal funding.
It's a giant mandrum, right?
That's what I call when grown men throw tantrums.
It's a giant mandrum.
And it's just saying, wow, I can't change.
I can't change.
Yeah, I want my own bathroom.
It's about you, John.
Well, as you pointed out, though, guess what?
When you're at that concert and you got a pee, you don't care who comes out of that
party, John, do you as long as you're next?
Well, you know what?
Unless I care about people doing harm to people.
And that's a really sick part of this is like, come on already.
Like this is a no-brainer.
This is about being more inclusive in our community.
And I know that word is triggering for the mandrum.
Posseol there, right?
It's, you know, it's causing that kind of panic.
But really, we shouldn't have that kind of, it should be a no-brainer.
And so should this other topic that we lose back around to.
Yeah, we've got to come back.
I mean, this, this, this was just, you know, we, we said we, we talked about the role
last Wednesday, uh, Tennessee, um, after defeating statewide vouchers.
Yeah.
The Republicans come back in the back door the next day and pass giving teachers guns
in the name of safety.
But like, they made it legal.
Yeah, they weren't hand in a mile.
They didn't, they weren't like, they wasn't a candy store.
Like free protection and plan pair hood, you know, but, but, but made it legal in the state
of Tennessee for teachers to conceal carry if they go through the right training.
On Friday, we had Gloria Johnson, state representative from Tennessee on the show,
came under a democracy, she's been down there dealing with the craziness of your
former teacher, former teacher.
She's there, you know, she gives us the lay of the land.
And over the weekend, it announces that, guess what?
In because Governor Billy signed it into law.
So it's now legal.
It's truly the law in Tennessee that we can teachers can, can, can, can seal carry.
There's some special process they have to go through.
There's required extra training and then district and building leaders have to approve it.
So it's not just like you can, you know, you can just, you know, you can't, you can't,
you can't just walk in your pocket, you can't walk in with a gun in your pocket.
Still just the fact that this is even, you know, legislation that this is even okay,
bad idea from the go.
So that came up last week.
That came up over the weekend.
There were rallies again, democracy, right, civil disobedience,
students and supporters who don't want, who have said, vote no on this silly bill,
walked from Nashville to the governor's house in protest to say, dude, why you sign in this law?
We as students, we as parents, we as teachers don't want guns in our schools.
We don't want them.
We had a teacher call us from Tennessee saying, Larry, if this Larry, Tennessee,
Tennessee bat calling us saying, look, if this happens, this may be one of the last straws for
me. I might not go back and the cool part about what Larry called and shared.
And I think there's a lot of us out there who, you know, who do fallen.
I don't even call it a complicated.
We can see the nuances and differences.
You can be a supporter of right to bear arms.
Like Larry called and he said, look, I own some guns.
But I'll tell you what, I don't want them in my classroom right there.
Yeah, I got Tim's breaking out the, you know, the OG guns.
Guns, right there.
Look at Luke, look at Luke, look like that.
Look at his laugh and look.
It's my right to bear my arms.
Yeah, I know what you're doing.
Very literal definition over there.
And again, it's just, it's just this oversimplification, right to, you know, be,
be just preposterous about this.
You're either forer against it.
And you know what, if you're against it, then you're against our constitutional right.
Hold on, also in the constitution, which we talked about with Gloria,
which is really important because it's nonpartisan here on this is that's including regulation.
Including this is really just, you know, a platform to, you know, to deregulate and to, to
sadly, to sell more guns.
It's like, yeah, come on, man, some places should be off limits.
And at, at a minimum, let's have our, our child care facilities.
That's part of what schools are.
You know, it's a safe place for children to go.
Let's not, there are arm teachers in those spaces.
The simple science on this, there is not a single study that
increases the likelihood of safety when you include a firearm in it.
Let's just studies actually show the opposite.
Yeah.
All right, so let's just see what's the fact is a fact during the pandemic.
The number one cause for childhood deaths.
No, it was no longer car accidents.
It's now gun violence.
Now gun violence, which is still sure, which is still true in this country.
The number one, thanks Luke on the boards, but coming in hot.
I just have those weird random things that just sit back in.
It's not weird. It's sort of matter of fact when we're like just like,
here we know the number one cause of child children dying.
Our guns country is gun violence.
Right. So you know what?
Let's let's bring them into school.
And this is the myth.
And this is the part I feel bad about.
You know, there are people manipulated in this.
They one think, hey, our second amendment rights go away.
If we don't have this, this is a byproduct of that.
That's not true.
Not true.
You can have regulation and still have right to bear arms.
The other part is that there's a myth that my child will be safer.
Right.
If if the teacher has a gun or trained people in the school has guns.
Also not true.
Not true.
Right.
So so that idea from top to bottom.
All I can think of is there was an ad.
This is purely anecdotal.
But the teacher in my high school,
growing up is a language, foreign language teacher.
He had some chocolates from a different land that had some alcohol.
And those alcoholic chocolates got into by students.
And there were some very upset parents.
I can't imagine if you replace that adult chocolate
with a firearm of how upset those parents would be
because less, less funny of a punchline
when all of a sudden you swap those two out.
That looks that, that accident.
We talked about it.
In fact, Laurie Johnson pointed out that one of the issues
that they have is that during an altercation,
it's like, what happens with the gun?
Is there a safe place to lock it so that they can then go attend to?
So no, no, no, no, no.
No.
And so there's this whole ambiguity.
So it kind of right now sounds like,
so if you're a teacher and your gun isn't needed,
you get to lay it on the desk and then go out into the hallway
to see what's happening.
On real, right?
And I'll even say, I'll extend it
and to places where guns are highly prevalent
in their part of everyday life.
And I'm not condoning that,
but it's a matter of fact that I've coached sports
in places where people have their guns with them.
And this became a problem.
And one of the community solutions was,
you know what, we're not going to have guns at these events.
You can still come.
There is this whole check-in safe gun locker thing,
a partnership with law enforcement.
Rarely do you hear me say a partnership with law enforcement?
This is a great example of it.
There you go.
But they just had this whole thing.
Instead of fight this,
let's make this a no-gun space.
And here's a safe way to,
you can arrive to the event with your gun.
There's a gun locker.
There's a whole safety check-in thing
with an ID and a whole process.
You know what, and it was a way.
Here we go.
I'm going to loop back to the title night.
So it was a way to be inclusive.
It was a way to think about,
hey, I actually would like there to be
more regulation on guns period.
Yeah.
But that's not going to result today.
And I actually want all these families
to come to this sporting event
and encourage their kids and I want kids to come.
I also want them all to be safe.
The only way we can ensure that
is if we really have some regulation,
local regulation on the gun.
Yes, we can even call it gun control.
I know that's like a, like a cuss word to the industry.
But that's all it is.
A little bit of control to be safer and more inclusive.
But I do have to point this out.
And I don't know.
Luke, you be the judge if this is funny or not.
I get the judge.
I get the judge.
The judge.
The jury.
And you out there listening,
855-752-4842,
loved to hear from you.
But I saw, you know,
the reason we're bringing this up too
is all over the busted media,
social media feeds.
People have been doling back and forth.
And of course, there's somebody out there,
you know, you bunch of liberal losers.
You know, you're afraid to let guns
and teachers are the best people.
And then there's some guns right here.
But somebody put down this one thing, you know,
so principles.
If you're out there listening right now,
I think if I were you,
I might be one of the most
vehemently opposed people
to your classroom teachers
concealing, carrying.
If you plan on going in
and doing any observations of your teachers,
if you're going to come in and go,
I'm sorry, Mr. Mathers,
are you packing today?
I mean, because I've got something
critical to say about your teaching,
but I'm not going to tell you
if you're carrying that gun.
I was like, that's actually a brilliant point
that somebody pointed out there.
It's like, you do not want to introduce guns
into this situation.
No, I don't see any teachers.
Violently taking out their principles.
But again, the silliness.
Yeah, I mean, it's hard to even,
it's hard to even make light of this situation.
And I thought you were going here with this
and I'm going to kind of, kind of tag it into it,
is if you are a principle out there
and we know you're listening, right?
If you're in Tennessee,
you have the power to stop this in your school.
And that's a really nice reality.
Check two school leaders can make a world of difference.
One we heard and we heard that actually too.
This is one of the things about the law,
is you can refuse.
And so they're representing their area.
Yeah, Gloria Johnson and in fact,
schools were lining up right away last week saying,
yeah, you know what, we're not participating.
We're not going to have guns.
And so this is where you say bold leadership.
We need school leaders to step up and say,
it might be legal, but not in our school.
Because families, when you come to school,
you don't have to worry about whether or not
a teacher or some staff member,
if there's a gun laying around,
if there's going to be an accident,
there are not going to be any gun accidents in our school
because we're not having guns come into our school.
Easiest way to prevent gun violence, no guns.
Luke, can you imagine that?
You want to stop gun violence?
No gun.
If the measure for how safe any nation was around the world
was based on how many guns the citizenry had,
we would be the safest nation in all of the world.
And I'm sorry, we're not.
That's right. We are.
Don't get mad at me about that.
I'm not mad at you.
No, no, no, I'm saying for anybody out there
that's upset with that information.
It's a fact.
Don't get mad at me.
That's just the truth.
Luke's just bringing some heat with the truth, man.
We said he's got the biggest guns.
Yeah, he is.
He is.
He's got the right to bear arms, right there.
He's got some bear awesome arms.
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Yeah, Tim and Johnny live civic media headquarters.
And Madison.
So we got to do some walking around in the good city of Madison.
And I want to say just to loop back,
we don't have a lot of time to give to this tonight.
But again, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this
all across our country.
There are young people who are standing up
and who are advocating against war.
And I think that's really notable and important to,
you know, we've talked about the complexity.
We have great guests coming on.
We're going to talk about how they teach about the conflict
in Israel and Palestine.
But what's really important is some great stuff
coming from the ACLU to university campuses
and say, hold on, civil disobedience, right?
It's something we have to not only teach about,
but we have to support in appropriate ways.
So I got to walk around and see some amazing students
who are protesting war, who are saying,
you know, this is really complicated.
But at the end of the day, right,
a threat to justice anywhere is, you know,
is a sanctioning of injustice everywhere, right?
So I'm spending that statement a little
so I don't repeat the same thing all the time.
But, you know, that's still happening across our country.
And we hear you out there listeners
who reach out and talk to us about that, right?
So we have guests coming on.
And you know what, there's some exciting stuff
happening tomorrow.
And the best thing about being live in the studio
is we see some of our colleagues.
So we might grab a guest.
We might grab you a special guest in just a moment.
Well, you know, in fact, that shows
it comes on after busted pencils.
What's that show?
Some about a night light.
Night light.
Yeah, maybe get that guy to come over your name Pete.
I think, be the boy.
Pete, you have a next busted pencils.
Yeah, there it is.
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But you know, and again, great, you know,
talking about title nine today.
The gun violence, the civic or the civil disobedience
and whether or not, you know, how we approach this.
Is it, you know, Gaza, Israel?
It's complex.
It's complicated.
But yet, Johnny, you said the clarification of going,
but civil disobedience in a democracy
has to be protected.
And we have to allow its practice to occur.
Yeah, and all these young people just saying no to war.
Yeah.
I mean, no to genocide.
And I mean, and this is the era they're growing up.
And we all remember learning about things
happening around the world and asking the question,
what would we do if we were alive when that was going on?
Well, here we all are.
And so these young people who are doing that right
and exercising their civil liberties.
And we know that's not everyone,
but that's the case in all things.
Also, we're teachers.
And so teachers out there
it's our job to make sure young people are guided.
So that they have the tools and the proper avenues
to, you know, express their dissent.
But, you know, that's a, that's a topic
that we'll bring some experts.
And we're going to, we definitely,
we've got some great guest lined up.
Definitely not a last segment issue.
But the, you know, the civic media listener,
though, so after busted pencils, yeah.
We don't want you to leave.
Now, man, because there's an awesome show
right after busted pencils.
It keeps the light on for you, man.
It's the night like peach while a peach while.
We got him here.
We got him here at the studio with the speed.
What's happening?
You know, it would have been so funny
if you guys invited me in here
and then just didn't address me at all
until the end of the show.
Yeah, we know how many goals.
Yeah, thank you, though.
I thought that they were 25% of the way there.
Yeah.
Yeah, I could see you said beautiful.
We could see that they're looking so okay.
I'm here with two doctors.
It's a little intimidating.
So, man, bear with me.
No stethoscope.
So, so don't, you know, I was here for a physical
but if you just want to, if you want to keep it to all the,
you look fine.
You look good.
Do I?
Yeah, you could say two doctors said Pete looks good.
That's exactly right.
Well, and, and we love the show, man.
We love, we love what you're doing on there.
And, you know, like, I mean, I watch a ton of TVs
and a ton of mood, a ton of TV shows,
a ton of movies.
So, I love when you're chopping it up
and talking about all that stuff because you know,
so I got to ask you, though, while we have you.
And I know we don't have a ton of time,
but off the cuff, you know,
what are some of your recommendations
or your favorite things?
So, like, we, I bring a lot of that media
into my classroom and I work with teachers.
So, you're bet, like, you have,
you have any suggestions or shows
that you recommend that, you know, that, that for kids?
No, that, that are about like, like life in schools
or even just comedy in that type of club.
Oh, yeah, that's okay.
Listen, my favorite movie that was set in a school
was probably election.
It's a high standard film.
Matthew Broderick, Reese Witherspoon,
love it, love it, love it.
Probably not good for young kids, but.
No, but if you're out there and you're a teacher,
you know, you want, you want, like,
like movies or films that are about the world you're in.
Well, you guys are educating future teachers, right?
So, we're not talking about children here, Pete.
We're talking about what future teachers
can use in their classroom.
And, yeah, too, man, I was like, what can I throw on?
All right.
What's your best education recommendation, Pete?
Ask my wife, she's a teacher.
The principal, James Belushi.
No, I'm kidding.
Yeah, I listen, as far as I love the movie
Dead Poe Society, that is one of my favorite.
Like, we've all had teachers like that
who have inspired us.
And, you know, I, one of my least favorite things
is the phrase, those who can't do teach,
because it's such nonsense.
Yeah.
And, it's like those who teach inspire.
And, I've had teachers in my life
that have given me the courage to follow things
and do things that I wouldn't have had otherwise.
You know, so I love, like,
Dead Poe Society election.
Yeah, Breakfast Club is great.
There's so many good ones.
Maybe think, my favorite, those who can't teach
past laws about teaching.
Oh, right, right.
I used to have that on a teacher.
Those who can't teach past laws about teaching.
We see that so I said,
well, I used to say to those who can't teach
and up downtown at the district office.
Right.
One of my favorite soapy,
anything about this, Nick Nalti teachers.
Oh, yeah, yeah, right.
You know, the guy who played Bert on soap
was the, he came in.
Remember, he was, he kind of walked in
and showed up as a substitute.
And he was mentally unstable,
but he was like,
ended up being the best teacher they were there
because he would dress up like George Washington.
And I can't remember the actor who played that guy,
but Richard Mulligan, right?
I think so, yeah, I'm soapy.
That was set in Columbus, Ohio, I think.
I don't remember much about the movie though, but yeah.
Yeah, and what's the other one?
Oh, Abbott Elementary School.
I was going to say that's a fun show.
I've only seen a few episodes, but I love it.
It's funny, it's good.
It's spot on.
It's, you know, spinach.
You know, you out there, check it out.
It's to spin off, kind of like set like the office.
It's like, yeah, show the office,
but it's set in an elementary,
an urban elementary school in Philadelphia.
And as a former urban ed teacher,
I mean, I laugh.
You identify.
But I also identify.
And I wondered when that show come out,
would anybody not an education find it like entertaining and good?
And it is.
It's head.
Oh, yeah.
That show slaps, check it out.
Hmm.
It's so, the scene I love the most, I literally laughed out loud,
was the guy, was the teacher who was out talking.
She said, my class is covered.
And they cut inside.
It's the custodian saying with the illuminati written.
I'm worried.
Yeah, that's a good show.
No, it is.
And so, so Pete, what's coming up on Nightlight this week?
Wow, I got a lot of good guests this week.
Tonight, we have Matt Miller from onmawaki.com.
We're talking movies in the Milwaukee Film Festival.
Melissa Kay from Civic Media will be on.
She worked on an independent film.
She's going to talk about my buddy, Johnny Kepanera,
a comedian actor is going to come on.
John and I played Whiffleball semi-professionally
when I lived in LA.
We had a friend who had a Whiffle Stadium.
That's what you do when you don't know what to do with your money.
You build a Whiffle Stadium with lights and everything.
Right.
Yeah, and then I've got an author, Roger Rabaport
coming on later in the week.
Yeah, a lot of good guests.
It's going to be a fun week of shows.
It's Busted Pencils.
It's fully-led at Education Talk.
Our guest, Pichuaba, Nightlight, coming up tonight
right after Busted Pencils.
I hear that music too.
It's manfully capped Pete.
Flies, huh?
Where's, can we have you on again sometime?
Yeah, I mean, are you sure you want to have me on
longer than three minutes?
Yeah, I'm serious, guys.
What is this?
I, I, I, you're on my show like a half hour.
No, I'm sorry, Pete.
No more.
Yeah, you owe me.
Yeah, we do.
Ah, more time with Pete.
Thanks a lot, you guys.
Yeah, coming up, Nightlight, check it out.
Busted Pencils, we're out.