Alright, you're tuned in to 9027FMWMDX, listening to the Black Conversion show with your
girl, Brandi Grayson. I am so happy that you're listening and you're tuned into the hostess
with the Monsters. Today we're going to discuss a few things, but first let me address
Cousin Clyde that's missing from the show. Cousin Clyde is my co-host for the Black Conversion
show. And the Black Conversion show is really based on looking at different topics, different
things that impact Black communities locally in the Dane County area in Madison, Wisconsin
and looking at things that, you know, impact Black people on a larger scale and addressing
Cousin Clyde. So he's my co-host and I've been so used to him being part of the show and
he's out today. So Boohoo to him, sending him nothing but love. I hope all is well with
Clyde. So now I have to adjust to talking to you guys, which is no problem, but still
it's like Cousin Clyde, where you at. But one of the things that I want to discuss with
you guys or continue the conversation on is actually Black love. And the reason that
this topic keeps coming up is because we get a lot of positive feedback on the topic
and people want to hear more on it. And I have found a couple of clips that I wanted to
play because one of the clips talk about really what is love? Because we often like to,
to, I don't know, look at love as this thing that's full of softness, kindness, kind of
peace, joy and happiness as if love is an experience that always feels good. I'm not
sure where we get that notion from when it comes to love. I think it starts from Disney.
I don't know. Disney's Cinderella stories about love and how some man on a horse or some
man kisses, you know, woman kisses the frog. The frog turns into this handsome person and he's
doing everything right. But I want us to take a listen to our first clip. Luke, let's play the clip
on the, the young lady that's talking about what love demands. And then we're going to talk through
that. Take a listen, y'all, this is pretty good. Well, love. We want connection. We want family.
We want these things. The vision we have. It just what you want. What you think is love.
Yeah, they don't necessarily want love. They want what they think is love. That's why when they
get love, they tend to walk away from it because they don't have the capacity for the well that
love brings in. So you want what you think is love. That's why they say what you said wasn't
loving. Well, who's standard? Because God's love rebukes. God loves corrects. God love doesn't
feel good at first because it changes you. Most people want to remain the same. So you want
lust. You want what you think is love. But most people don't want love. Well, so what is love
when it comes from another person? It's all of those things. The goal is to become the better version
of who you are. You should never want to be with somebody that's content with who you are today.
Right? Like we're always achieving to be a better version of ourselves. Most of the time,
you can't even define that with your own eyes because it's like you looking out of
wall with no mirror. You can't see yourself. It's normally the person that comes in that can see
you and say, Hey, you know, this is wrong with you. And you're like, No, I didn't notice that.
I thought I was fine. They're like, I got to change that up. That's love to say I demand a better
you. But if somebody is not prepared for that demand, then they start thinking it's criticism
or I'm offended that you said that or I don't like that you did that. Well, no, you just want to
a puppet that you didn't want somebody that brought in real love. I love that clip because
I've been rastling with this idea of love and not just in intimate relationships, but friendships
and an in leadership and managing people and my relationship to my children, my relationship to
my mom and other people that I care about. And for people who are just tuned in, you're listening
to the black conversion show on 92.7 FM. And you're listening to the hostess with the most
this brandy Grayson. I am the founder and CEO of urban triage, a local nonprofit organization.
And one of the things that we do as part of our programming is we have a work group that's
called supporting healthy black families. And I teach this work group a couple times a week in
the purpose of this work group is to support people known as black and developing themselves,
developing their communication skills, developing their ability to be in relationship with others,
whether it's intimate or partner and developing themselves professionally. So one of the things
that we've been talking about this week is what love demands of us. And how we know when we're
full of BS is when we reach out to people that we know will validate our BS. And what I mean is
oftentimes when we have a argument with someone we love or fallen out or break down with people
in our life, we will call the people that will say, girl, you so right, he was so wrong or girl,
you so right, she was so wrong. And yeah, who was your boss to say that? Or yeah, who was that
person to say that? And the reason we do that is because we don't really like to be challenged.
And we often are conditioned in our society to think that when people criticize you or when
people redirect you or when people demand things of you that that experience is negative. However,
what I'm coming to realize is that the people who love me, like authentically love me will
always challenge me, right? They will challenge me to grow. They will challenge me to see how I'm
showing up in people activities. They will challenge me to be a better person than yesterday.
And I bring that up because oftentimes in our relationships in people in people known as
black relationships, the dynamics, oftentimes we're looking for someone to save us. We're looking
for someone to be our happy place. And that's just not how it works. Because when you get in
relationships, it brings out the worst of you and sometimes and often the best in you. So it brings
out both sides of you. However, when the worst of you shows up, we have to be able to acknowledge
that part of us. And in our supporting healthy black families work group, I often challenge our
participants to reflect on how they show up in communication with people around them. And
specifically, our children, right? So our children usually get the boat of our, I guess our
discontentment are on happiness. And when we're frustrated, we vomit on our children, right? So
in our, our relationships, whether it's a family dynamic or intimate relationship, we forget
that the way that we speak to people and at people is a reflection of our hearts. So one of the
things that we've been working on in supporting healthy black families is reflecting on our conversations,
I'm reflecting on who we reach out to when there's breakdowns and what we're expecting of them
to give to us and what we consider acceptable feedback. And oftentimes, like I just pointed out,
if someone's demanding something from us, it feels uncomfortable, we often move away from that
person. Because who are you to tell me that I need to do better or do differently? And I really
struggle with that in all aspects because I'm found to be in my personal relationships, even with
my children, my friends and my partner as very demanding. I demand the best of everyone around me.
I demand the best of my staff. I demand the best of partnerships. I demand demand demand. And
demanding is often seen as a masculine attribute. So as I'm demanding the best, as I'm demanding the
people around me level up, step up and live from a place of excellence in brilliance and specifically
black people because we are so competent of it. I'm often seen as too demanding or I don't know,
I can't, it's hard to, it's hard to articulate how other people see me, but I often feel like
I love you, like especially black people, like I'm so in love with black people, it's ridiculous.
And I think it's because I spend so much time not loving myself. So and being told that I was
less than or not worthy and stupid or just your dark skinned or just terrible things that I was
told growing up. So I am utterly in love with black people. And as I've done the work of growth and
I have so much more to do. So don't get me talking at you or explaining my point of view or my thoughts
around love and demanding as I've arrived because God knows I have not arrived. I have probably a
hundred more layers of this onion to pull back. But what I have figured out about myself is that
I love black people so much that I demand the best of them. So if you work for urban triage, which
just as a FYI as a little plug, we are hiring. So check out our our website at urban triage.org.
That's you are B-A-N-T-R-I-A-G-E dot O-R-G. And you're listening to 92.7 F in the black conversion show.
But I demand the best of our employees. I demand that you show up centered and customer service. I
demand that you center the humanity of the clients that we serve. I don't care if they come into our
our office with less than appropriate hygiene. I don't care if they're coming in breaking down,
screaming having a traumatic experience. I expect you to stand anchored and grounded in yourself
and knowing that their response to you isn't about you. I demand that we show up and work on time.
I demand that we're professional and not in the sense of like this professional construct that's
giving to us through white supremacy, but professional in terms of how we communicate. Not screaming,
not using the F bomb, not using the N word while we're at work, but showing up in a way that allows
the people who come into our office to be served and supported that they feel seen. So love demands
you to grow. Love demands you to look at yourself. Love demands accountability. And I think that's
the piece that we be missing a lot of times in our relationships and friendships because the
person that's demanding growth or looking at you to be better than yesterday is often criticizes
or criticized, excuse me for their expectation. So today you guys we're talking about love. I
always start off and I think I'm going to continue this. Starting off the black convergence show
talking about love because it's one of those things we generally say, but we don't really define. We
don't figure out how to I don't know that the expansionness of love. We like to think like love,
you know, we we quote the Bible. Love is kind. Love is patient. Love is, you know, love feels good,
but love also feels painful. Love also feels uncomfortable when you have to yell at your child and
stop them from running across the street through traffic. That's love. You think your kid is going to
be like, oh, mom, that felt good to be yelled at. No, sometimes you have to snatch up your kids out
of love to redirect them. Sometimes we have to have hard consequences because love demands
that we do because if we don't love, I'm excuse me, learn the consequences of our actions and we
continue to do things that cause harm. So it is really important whether we're talking about
friendship, intimate relationship, leadership management, talking to your staff, developing your
staff is that we demand the best of them at all times because living in the context of white
supremacy for people known as black, we're often awarded from being mediocre. We're actually awarded
for not living up to our expectation and we can see the consequences of that in our education
of system with people known as black and our children. Our teachers aren't expecting excellence.
They're not demanding excellence. Our policies reflect the lack of demand of excellence from our
children like this whole new behavior model at MMSD and through our country that kids can come
and just behave in ways that is unacceptable. So we're going to continue when we return not just
to talk about love but talk about environmental justice. I want to talk to you guys about the
statistics and how our environment for black people are literally killing us. Stay tuned. You're
listening to 92.7 FM WM DX. The black convergence show with your girl Brandi Grayson.
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The black convergence show. I love being here and I love that you're listening and the
conversation today started about black love and one of the things that we often talk about
is the dynamics in relationships and this whole construct around femininity and masculinity.
I know you guys are probably so tired of me talking about it but it just keeps showing up in my
daily life and my daily interactions. Luke, I want you to do me a favor and play the second clip
because when I heard this clip, I thought like, man, well, this this point of view is pretty
interesting and I often think it gets left from the conversation around relationships dynamics
and love. Go ahead, Luke, and play that for me. You can't want a 50-50 chick and still want to be
the man in the house. You can't expect your woman to go clock in and listen to another man for eight
to 10 hours and then come home and listen to you. It's not possible. It's not going to happen.
So if you want to be the man and you want to want to be submissive and you want to
clean up the house and give you whatever you want, you got to show her that you're the man.
You got to let her live in her femininity. You can't be like, okay, go out there in the world
and be masculine because you have to be masculine to survive the world and then come home and be
feminine to me. It ain't going to work like that. Well, see, and this is a conversation that keeps
coming up for me in my world and mainly because, but mainly because I exist in the world as a woman
in leadership, right? So oftentimes I exhibit, and I have to exhibit masculine attributes,
like very, again, demanding, very matter of fact, very direct. And sometimes I have to come off,
and maybe I don't have to, and you guys correct me, but I come off as really, or perceived as
cold because when I said what I said, right? And I have to be like that with my son sometimes,
dude, I said what I said, go do what I asked you to do. And that way of being can be considered
less than feminine. And I think as people known as black, we really need to talk more about
power dynamics and constructs and look at why we believe masculinity fits in this box and why
do we believe femininity fits in another box? What he said that stood out to me though was,
men expect, you know, nowadays, this new generation, I'm kind of old school, okay, I'm almost 50,
and I'm pretty, I feel like I'm old school, I do believe, and we're specifically, I'm talking from
a heteronormative perspective, first of all, but these dynamics also play out in other relationships
and dynamics. But I'm speaking in this moment from my experience, oftentimes in the new generations,
there's this idea of going Dutch, this idea of going 50, 50, this idea of women, you know,
pan their own way. And then at the same time, the expectation that women are still submissive or
you need to be soft. And I often am confused about that dynamic because how do you be soft in the
world that demands you to be hard if I'm going to be providing 50, 50? And the thing about people
known as black and especially black women, we actually provide more than 50, 50. And most of our
relationships, we're actually more, we're doing more financial covering, right? Like we're paying
most of the bills because of the dynamics that's happening in our communities. But not only that,
because I don't think that provision is just financial. I think provision is spiritual. I think
provision is emotional. I think provision is mental. I think provision is setting up boundaries.
I think provision is letting other people know outside of your relationship that you have the
person you with covered. Like one of the things I believe as a heteronormative cis woman is that
I want my partner to cover me should no one ever be able to disrespect me in front of my partner
without him checking them. I should never feel like another woman or man can come up to me and
harm me in any kind of way or or have harmful conversations with my partner about me. Like one of
the things that, and for example, I have up and down relationship with my kids father and people
who know me as you know me, a lot of people know me and people know who my kids father is. And I
actually had on my show recently and a lot of people seen him in the newspaper recently. And we'll
talk about that on another show and the impact of having a parent and dieted on federal charges.
So yeah, my kids father, my kid is seven. He's about to be eight. He recently was indicted on 14
counts of federal charges. And it is, I don't even have a word to explain what that feels like for
me as a person or the anxiety around my son and moving forward. But once I have an opportunity
to process what has occurred, I'll spill all the beans and share the tea with you about that.
But again, you're listening to 92.7 FM, the black conversion show on WMDX. And we're talking about
black love and what love demands and how in the demand in this construct of love, we have these
constraints regarding masculinity and femininity. And we just listening to a clip that gave,
the man gave his opinion that how can you expect women to live in their femininity when they're
carrying the bulk of the responsibility? And I also struggle with that. I struggle with how do I
soften and expand? And when I carry the bulk of everything. And I mean not like not necessarily
in my personal relationship or intimate, but in the world, right? Like so you take care of everybody
all day. You're thinking about what does my staff need? What does the community need? Let me go
advocate for this. Let me respond to the anti that racism that I experienced or the anti-blackness
I experienced or the misogyny. And then I come home and I'm expected to be soft and gentle. Or I don't
know. I have a hard time like finding the words to explain the expectations for black women
and the outside forces that actually doesn't align with said expectation. So I don't want to take
a stance either way about femininity or masculinity. I really want us just to start open up the
conversation about the dynamics of relationships and how these dynamics have been given to us.
And these contracts have been given to us through white supremacy racism because for white women,
it's like they're indoctrinated. And these are general statements that doesn't mean every white
woman is indoctrinated in this way. But generally through media, through our movies, through everything
it's like white women are conditioned to be taken care of. Your job is to be taken care of your
job is to find you a man that can take care of you. When it's time for you to have a baby,
you get to sit down and not work and be taken care of. And when black women are approach
relationships in the same way, we're actually we're actually told that we're gold diggers, right?
Your gold digger, you're looking for a man to take care of you. And sometimes I'm just
fabricasted. Is that a word fabric? I don't know, but it sounds about right. I'm just blown away
with the expectation for us not to desire to be taken care of because I live in the
old school ramp. I believe men should take care of their women. Do I think women should sit
at home and be barefooted and not cook it? I mean, you have to cook and clean and I have jobs
or careers. No, I believe that people should be able to self-actualize like they want to.
And if I desire for a man to pay my bills, I want to live that way. I think that helps us be soft
too, like not carrying everything. So anyway, we're going to move on from this conversation, but I
just keep it just keeps coming up in all kinds of dynamics and coming up in the stress
of black women and how people are so stressful carrying everything and working two or three jobs
and trying to hold space also for the mental wellness of black men because black men aren't well.
And we'll talk about that in a minute. And June is mental health month for men. And the
statistic shows that black men are almost 10 times as likely to want to die and commit suicide.
It also shows that black teenagers and black boys are often 10 times likely to commit suicide.
So we really need to look at the mental wellness and our ability to teach our boys and men how
to self-regulate. And let's talk about that a little later when we return. You're listening to
92.7 FM The Black Conversion Show with your girl Brandi Grayson.
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Thank you for joining me. One of the things that came up in our conversation is suicide weight
rates and the mental health of black people generally speaking and specifically black men.
Black men aren't doing well in our society. Black boys aren't doing well. Black people ain't
doing well. Most of our country is not doing well mentally. And a lot of times when we have
these conversations around mental health and mental wellness, we go back to COVID. I have come to
believe we blame everything on COVID. How because of COVID, people aren't mentally well. Because of COVID,
our economy isn't well. Because of COVID, and the truth be told is that these things were
falling apart prior to COVID. What happened when COVID hit is it compounded those issues and it
made them more visible, I think, because for the first time in our history, we slowed down.
Also for the first time in our history, I believe the way my father states it is that COVID was
the largest transfer of a wealth in the United States history. And we can talk about that
conspiracy theory later because we're talking about mental health. But I often think like dang COVID
happened. It was this big thing. Everything was shut down, business, small businesses,
clothes, middle-class shrunk, all the wealth was transferred to the billionaires and we still
haven't recovered. And there doesn't seem to be a plan to support people who lost everything,
especially middle-class people, to putting them back in the position or at least providing
resources and opportunities to reposition folks who lost everything. But back to my point,
which is the mental health of black men and black boys and black people.
It is a serious problem in our community. One of the things that I've noticed in the work
with Urban Triage, which is the organization that I found and I am the CEO of,
is that the folks that we serve at Urban Triage and the men that we serve, they have the,
what do I say, the biggest challenge that I feel like folks that we serve face is alcoholism.
And it's one of those diseases that go under the radar for black people because I feel like we don't
think drinking is a big deal. We think using crack as a big deal or being a heron addict is a big
deal. But when we think about alcohol, it's just so much part of our culture and our way of
partying or connecting or relating that we're not paying attention to what alcohol is doing to our
families dynamics. So I have been recently talking to our participants of our supporting healthy
black families work group about alcoholism. And one of my participants said, like, hey,
my partner drinks at least a gallon of dose say every day. And dose say I think is a co-act
or Konaq or some dark liquor. Apparently I'm not good with pronouncing words today. But the person
drinks a gallon or a pint of this, a gallon is huge. Maybe it's not a gallon. It's probably a pint.
But a pint of this every day and he is unable to engage with his family because he's drunk.
And also because of the alcohol use, he is more, he's angry, right? He's hurting. And what alcohol
usually does is covering up the deeper rooted problem, which is pain or anxiety or uncertainty.
And because of the society we exist in, men are taught that generally speaking, men are taught
that they're not allowed to feel the things that they feel. The only thing that they're really
allowed to feel is anger. And if they cry, if they say I'm not doing well, I need help,
then we have and even women like we see our men as weak for reaching for help. And these are
general statements again, because I don't want you guys to email me saying that's not true.
I'm not saying it's true for everybody. I'm just saying from my experience, this is what I've
witnessed. So the suicide rates, I really want to talk about because our kids are like dying,
left and right. Our men are tapping out of life. So look, let's do me a favor. Let's listen to
this clip about suicide rates and the studies of suicide rates and black people and black families
and black communities. Take a listen, y'all. Tammy Charles lost her 10-year-old son to suicide
last year. She talked to NBC about the bullying he suffered. Do you think race played a factor
in seven's depression? Absolutely. 100%. And it all started with the little girl that called him
the racial slur. I was a nine year PTA parent. I was at the school once a week. I did every single
thing. So I was under the impression not our child only because we were so involved. So
anything pertaining to our child, we would have some sort of equality. But unfortunately, Rahima,
that wasn't true. Children's Hospital, the King's daughters in Norfolk noticed an increase in
cases of their emergency department and outpatient clinics. We certainly have had an influx of
referrals recently. And we've certainly continued along a path that we've so many referrals for kids
that we no matter the number of providers will have a really difficult time meeting that need.
CHKD is currently building a mental health hospital to address this growing health crisis.
And director of mental health services line Stephanie Osler says they're working on more community
involvement. How can we provide school-based mental health? How can we get into the communities where
kids are and provide that mental health support? Meantime, consider these images of racial
protesting police brutality. Your kids are seeing right now. Osler urges daily check ins to make
sure they're okay. If your child is struggling, that's good. I think that's good. I think one of
the things that they pointed out is how racism plays into the suicide rates and how our children
are internalizing racial slurs. But more importantly, in my opinion is how we are engaging with our
children around mental health. Are we engaging with our children? Are we having real conversations?
And can we? Like if you're not doing well as parents, right? And we know the statistics for black
people. I don't know them off the top of my head, but we know they're bad, right? Because that's
all the politicians talk about it everywhere, anywhere. If you see a government official,
they're talking about black numbers, black people this, black people that. They'll look at the
numbers. So we know that the numbers are bad, but if our numbers are bad, and as it relates to
our family dynamics, poverty, housing, economics, how do we provide protective factors for our
children? How do we provide additional support for our men who are 10 times more likely to commit
suicide than the black women? And how do we do this? I don't know how we do it. It's just questions
that I'm asking. It's kind of like, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like the conversations
like our debate last night with Trump when when Trump and Biden was debating, one of the questions
was around race. They asked Biden, like, hey, black people actually aren't that happy with you.
They're still suffering. And actually, they are the numbers are have gotten worse for black people
under your watch. And Biden, instead of addressing the question, Biden was like, hey, we've
done all these things for black people. And he went down a whole list explaining how
the his his group him and his people have helped black people. He named the unemployment rate going
down. He he named that black businesses have increased. He's named, oh, student loans and how
they've been written off. But let me just first say shout out to Biden and his administration for
the right office student loans, because I believe I myself personally had like $60,000 written
also big up to the Biden administration for that. And you're listening to 92.7 FM, the
black conversion show WMDX. But I think sometimes people miss the mark one addressing the needs of
people known as black, even in housing and other areas, including suicide and mental wellness,
because one, the only way that we address things in our community that are killing us is by
investing resources. And we often talk about the challenges and the conflicts and the issues.
But we don't offer real tangible solutions to uprooting the issue. And you can always tell what
we value in our communities by our budget line item. So for example, like in our area in the Madison
local area, I think like 60% of our budget goes to policing. And I believe like, I'm probably lying,
y'all so looking up, but it's like 8 to 10% goes to mental wellness and 8% of 8 to 10% of that is
divided amongst like all these organizations and agencies. So agencies end up with maybe
$100,000 to do mental health work. And if you know anything about mental wellness, when you go
see a psychiatrist or you're a therapist, they charge $150 an hour. And if you need to see that
therapist once a week or a couple of times a week, the money is just not as the math is not
mapping. And in our community, in the day and county community, if you are suffering from mental
health, if you're having a breakdown like a psychotic breakdown right now, it takes you a year
and a half on a waiting list to get support. Everyone refers everyone to journey mental health.
And they don't have the capacity and they don't have the, let's just say they don't have the
the people that reflect the population that they are, I don't know, are supposed to serve.
So then people are sent to agencies to get help from mental health agents, mental health needs
and they're harmed. So then the issue is compounded. So I don't know, I don't know why I'm talking
about this. I think because it's mental health month for men and really just increasing the
awareness of the effects. And I was actually hoping that I would have co-host because my co-host
really do work with a lot of men around mental health and the impacts. And I wanted him to talk
deeply about that, but he's, he left me today. So I'm gonna try not to take it personal, but it's
fine. It's fine. I, I could talk to you guys by myself. It's okay. Y'all can tell I'm a little sad
about it, but it's okay. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna be fine. It's okay. I won't cry on air. But I do
want us to really think about like even the conversation I was having before about what love
demands and these constructs around femininity and masculinity. How can we demand? Like in this,
this is the thing about society. Like on one hand as a woman, I'm like, I want my man to provide
these things. And on the other hand, for black people and black men, black men don't have the same
access opportunities or resources to provide the things that we're demanding. So how do we
reconcile the demand that love makes on our partners, our families? And how do we support people
where they add so that they can reach to demands and expectations to show up fully as a father,
as a community leader, as a business person. I don't have the answers, but I do know it's a,
you know, being black in our current context and being black period has always been a come,
it complex. It's just so complex. Like, and I always encourage people
the way out or the way through all the complexities, whether it's the all the ism sexism,
ageism, misogyny, all that stuff, phobia, homophobia, all that stuff is to really focus on ourselves,
focus on developing ourselves, focus on developing our skills around communication, focusing on how
how to regulate our nervous system, how to calm our nervous system, how to become aware of our own
scripts and ideas and thoughts and beliefs about ourselves and about the world. Because what happens
is that we, we live in this world that gives us all these negative thoughts and ideas about us.
And then we internalize those thoughts and then we project them out. And then we don't even know that
we are actually creating this world, which is leading up to all these messed up statistics. So
even though I talk a lot about white supremacy racism and the impact of racism when people known
as black, the biggest impact in my opinion is that racism has convinced us and conditioned us to
be complacent in it and in and an agreement with it at the same time. I know that sounds
incongruent, but what I mean by agreement agreement with it is that we start to believe the things
that racism tells us about ourselves. So we start to believe that we are inferior, that we don't
deserve love, that we, we don't know how to have healthy relationships that we can't communicate.
So then we go into isolation or we go into depression or we use things like drugs or alcohol to
sue us or we use sex or we use gambling or anything to validate us or to fill this hole or to make
anything that makes us feel whole. So I don't know the answers. I'm just here talking, talking, talking,
giving you just some things to think about, especially for people known as black because our
suicide rates are going up, our children are harming themselves. And if it's not directly by cutting
their wrists is by putting themselves in dangerous situations because we also don't think about that.
Like our kids are still in cars or having community violence and things like that because they don't
value themselves. And how can you value yourselves when the world tells you repeatedly that you're
not valuable. So stick around, we're going to talk about the debate with Trump inviting. You're
listening to 92.7 FM, the Black Conversion Show.
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You're listening to Brandy Grayson. I wanted us to talk about this debate that happened this week,
the first presidential debate. It was the whole hot mess. Luke, did you have the opportunity to
tune in to the opportunity? Yeah, that's what you want to call it. Sure. The opportunity.
I almost fell out listening to this debate. And I feel so sorry and sad for Biden. And it's
because he looks like he's about to fall over and die. He apparently had a cold, I guess. That
was the word. I was as soon as he started talking and he had a cough, like he coughed 10 seconds
into talking. I was like, what's going on? And apparently he had a cold, which is like the worst,
may go down as the worst time cold in history. I don't know, but we'll see. But prior to the debate,
they had them on CNN getting on the airplane. Did you see that clip? I did not see that. He had
his glasses on. He was walking. He looked like he was going to fall over. Like he was, he just
looked so frail, so old. I feel like the White House is four year turns. He's like 81, but it has
aged him to about 95. Well, remember what Obama looked like? I know. Obama was a young man when he
went into the White House for the first time. And that man had a lot of salt and pepper in his hair.
He was. Obama looked like he just aged about 30. But at least he wasn't falling apart.
Biden, he, and then when yesterday in the debate, he went to reach for his ear and his hand was
shaking. And I know it's not the wrong with aging. So I don't think that because you're older,
that you're not capable. But I also think as a, as someone who's looking for a healthy president
to make decisions, we want you to be able to be sound mind. And yesterday at the debate,
he kept on forgetting what he was going to say. Like he would want to end. And then he'll look down
and the thought would just be gone. Well, the hard part is also I saw the CNN and like
letting everybody know the rules. So the CNN went, the light where you see that your time is out
is down at the base of the podium. So when he was looking down, it was because if it was flashing,
he only had 20 seconds or something. And then once it turned to color, he knew that he was done.
And so part of it, I think, was just the setup. It was, it was bad beginning to end forever.
There was no winners last night. It was a mess. So, so, so bad. And Trump, Trump is like, look,
I got, I've been indicted on felonies, but so has your son. And he going to get indicted too.
Like it was like, Trump, what does Biden's son have to do with the fact that we now have
potential president running for office and died it on 34 counts of felony? He never really
answered the question. It didn't come up until 30 minutes in. I don't know how that doesn't
start the whole thing. I know. It was, it was just raggedy. And I was like, is this what America
is looking like moving forward? And if so, I'm going to encourage everybody to start
preparing because whoever wins is just, to me, is no good look for us as we, as we face the rest
of the globe. Like, this is, this is no good. So anyway, I wanted to play a clip of the Biden
and Trump debate. And let's just talk about it. Just a couple of minutes. Go ahead. Good
loop. First discussing a key issue, reproductive rights. And he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby
out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby. Nobody wants that to happen. Democrat or
Republican. Nobody wants it to happen. Hold on, Luke. Pause that for a minute. So according to
Trump, when we allow women to have abortions or, you know, past laws, I say, hey, you could go
to Planned Parenthood. We're allowing the government to rip babies out of the womb. And let's just
talk about how Trump said they're, they're, they're, they're doing abortions at nine months and
after the baby is born. So basically, he's saying that the baby, we're giving birth to children
and then we're killing them, which is absolutely insane. That's not how abortions work at all. So
it was, it was almost like Trump, only thing that Trump can give to us is fear. And these extremists,
I would say extremist Christian views, right? On, on abortions and what they do is like,
you ever been to abortion clinic or drove by like Planned Parenthood and you see all these
extremists outside with pictures of babies being aborted, but it's like big babies like whole
full babies and I'm like, that's not how that works because 80% of abortions in America
happens through the abortion pill. And you have to be under certain trimester. I think it's the
first trimester like you can't actually take the abortion pill after the first trimester.
And the other abortions are usually emergency abortions because the mother is in danger or something
like that. In most states, I don't think you can have an abortion past 16 weeks. So anyway,
go ahead and play rest of the clip for me, Luke. Let's take a look at Biden's response to the abortion
question. True. The Roe v. Wade does not provide for that. That's not the circumstance. Only
woman's life is in danger. She's going to die. That's the only circumstance was that can happen.
But we are not for late term abortion period, period period. Biden's called Trump a threat
to democracy holding his predecessor accountable for actions taken while in office.
Pandemic was so badly handled. Many people were dying. All he said was it's not that serious.
Just inject a little bleach in your arm. While Trump slammed Biden when it comes to immigration
and the border crisis, we have a border that's the most dangerous place anywhere in the world.
Consider the most dangerous place anywhere in the world. And he opened it up and these killers
are coming into our country with the idea they're emptying our prisons. We're in love. We're welcoming
these people as simply not to. There's no data to support what he said. Once again,
he's exaggerating. He's lying. So I think his biggest, Biden's biggest response to Trump was
like your line. And I mean, and Trump was lying most of the time. And all I could think about is
oh, how I miss Obama. Oh, how I wish Obama could run for another term. How I wish that this black
man could be put back in office because this just is not. This is Obama's guy though.
First of all, this is not Obama's guy. Joe Biden was Obama's guy. That's no. Oh, no, I'm not.
I'm not saying currently I'm just saying in the past, he was his guy. I'm going to say that
Biden wasn't paying no attention to Obama. Like I don't know what he was doing when he was vice
president, but he wasn't. He should have been studying Obama. His words, his body language,
his response to like, but he didn't learn nothing from that man. And that man was so smooth
with it and so like direct. And some of that can't be taught though, right? Because it is,
it's just, yeah, it's natural. But he could have tried to copy it a little bit because his
response around black people and the question around black people was so like what the heck?
But let's focus on because we don't have much time. So I want to focus on Trump's response
when the question was asked about black people. This is what Trump said. He said the fact is that
this big kill on the black people is the millions of people that's allowed to come through the border.
They're taking black jobs and they could be 18. It could be 19. It can even be 20 million people.
They're taking black jobs and they're taking Hispanic jobs. And if you haven't seen it yet,
but you're going to see something that's going to be the worst in our history. What is he talking about?
And what black jobs is he talking about? What jobs are we labeling black nowadays? Are you telling me
that I don't know what he's talking about? Are he talking about essential worker jobs?
Is that considered black jobs? Because I believe that black Americans have had the lowest unemployment
rate over the last three or four years and the largest increase in establishing businesses
in the history of America. We got to go. You're listening to 92.7 FFILM The Black Conversion Show.