What up, it's your girl, Brandi Grayson, on 92.7 FM. You're listening to the Black
Conversion show. I have a couple guests in the studio. I was about to say the office,
office studio, whatever. It's the same thing as a box. You see it and there's some chairs
in the desk. So it looks like an office. So I just want to walk on my guest co-host tonight
April, Kageya and J.L. I don't not know your last name. Why don't I know your last name?
Okay, just call you J.J. J.J. J.L. Oh, I don't know like J.L. But yeah, you know, you got
that brown skin color going on. So I was just like, J.L.O. But okay, you're right. Don't
really fit that. So yeah, okay. So we're here Saturday morning doing our thing. Just
random as heck. Black Conversion show is supposed to be deeper than actually I prepared for.
I just want to acknowledge that and have an integrity conversation with my listeners
today. You know, Black Conversion is supposed to stand for. I have to, I don't know what
that says. I love it. The news. Okay. The show goes to noon. Nate was trying to show me
so I'm like, what? Nate, I don't have my glasses on. I can't read. I have not prepared
for anything today. So yeah, okay. It's early. It's early. It's, yeah, it's morning
time 11. And I'm not prepared. So just to have an integrity conversation with you guys,
this show runs on a news station, a media station, and their focus is on the news. And
you know, for us, for Black Conversion show, our news looks like what's going on in a hood.
So it doesn't necessarily align all the time with what's in the news. So we're going to
provide you with our perspective of the news. And sometimes it might align with, you know,
what they say and them are saying, but then we just add our own twist. So anyway, as I
was saying, it was supposed to be a little deeper than I actually prepared for. So today,
we're just going to do what we always do, which is becoming a really bad pattern. So one day,
I'm going to get better when I get more time. But anyway, today is Saturday, right?
Saturday. And we're in women's history month. Oh, it is women history month. Yeah. Can
we first first acknowledge one of the baddest women that I know that I love. And that's
beyond say the beat. I'm sorry. I thought you were going to say me, but I'm okay. Yeah,
you don't say something like that. Okay, what can we talk about how? Wait, wait, okay,
what? I just want to say happy birthday because you celebrated a birthday on Thursday, right?
Right. Yeah. Yeah. And then we turned up in Houston. And we're probably still turning up
right now. Yeah, you're listening to break, right? Yeah, you just, yeah, we're going to just
just just to stop by and say, Hey, y'all, it's my birthday weekend. Okay, I turned 44. Beautiful,
30, 44. I look like I'm 24. At least that's what I tell myself when I give in the morning.
You're in. Okay, you made me lose my thought. Okay, Beyonce in the news. Okay. So we were talking
about Beyonce. Beyonce dropped a new song, a country song. And it got white folks super upset,
which is crazy because you know, black folks came up with no, not according to white people,
black people didn't contribute. Of course, not according to the white things we haven't done
according to them. So they always try and take over everything. Girl, why are we post the article?
I think it was the last month of black history, which was like a couple days ago. We got 29 days
this year. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? We represent. We got an extra day. So we post made a
post, just acknowledging Beyonce being number one in the country station is something, something,
like she hit some record, right? I don't remember what record she hit. But she's doing, her song is
doing really well. So all these white people come on our posts. And if you want to, you know,
read the post in the comments, I'm listening to this. Please go to urban triage on Facebook,
Facebook is back up. That's a news. They crashed today, right? Yeah. And Instagram crashed,
but we get back today. That was a couple days ago. No, that happened this morning. That was down.
That was on Tuesday. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that happened. Yeah, that was Tuesday. It seems
like today. But it was okay. You're right. You're right. These days blend. It's just blended.
It's been a long drunk week for me. It's my birthday. We get. So, um, Beyonce, go to our page on
urban triage, our Facebook page and check out the post. And always says that we want to acknowledge
our girl representing black excellence and her number one hit in country music, top charts,
or whatever that is. And we have white folks on like trolling. They make them vomit faces. They're
what? They are upset. Like anytime we like, I mean, first of all, white folks be upset just the fact
that we are a black leg organization and we give props to black people and black news and black
anything black, black, black people like, like, what about us? Like, what about us?
This is like your whole everything's about you. Like, and why would you be offended if someone
cars on, but can we just acknowledge? I'm going on a tangent, but just follow me. But can we
acknowledge that that type of emotional response only occurs when black people center themselves?
Because it doesn't occur when Latinos or Mexicans or indigenous or refugees or immigrants or
other parts. Oh, yeah. Uh, support your culture. Yeah. Everyone should speak Spanish. Yes,
and yes, everybody else get an ASL translator after schools. And yes, let's, let's put resources
in that. And yes, let's make carve out as soon as we say black excellence and MMSD or black
anything. People say, Oh, my God, you can't discriminate. Can we talk about why that is so?
That's crazy. It's super crazy. But is it crazy? I guess I mean, this is why supremacy that we
live in a system that's called white supremacy. And no one wants to recognize. Why are we talking
about that? I don't know because I like. Stop. Why are you doing that? I just made myself choke.
Okay. So, but that's similar to, like, so Jaylin wrote a book recently. You wrote a whole book.
Yeah. And she had a book, a book book, like a book book. And I didn't get invited to book. Oh,
well, you probably. I invited you on Facebook. Okay. Let's back the heck up. Okay. I can't
cause because Nate is watching me right now. And we got the dumb button. Is that a mute button?
What does that button? Who cares? So let's, let's focus here on you, Jay. Let's focus.
So you, we had this conversation before. Yeah. When you invite someone you're supposed to do it,
not just on Facebook. And why is that important here? Why friends? Why? Why? Why friends? Why
friend? Because when you invite people on Facebook, sometimes they actually don't get invited.
It doesn't show on their notification. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On Tuesday morning.
So next time since you're supposed to be my friend, I would appreciate a text. Talk to my manager
over there. So kind of like the birthday celebration. How will happen with the birthday celebration?
We're not going to get to person. When you went to Houston. I got a book. Oh, I'm still in Houston.
You're with me right now. Okay. So you have a book. So, so my point, my point to bring it up. So
she has a book that she wrote. Okay. And then she had a book talk recently. I can't
put talking about at a church. All white women. Uh-huh. Talking about the experience of black people
not getting social services. And Jaylin, talk about what that white woman said. How she tried to
go. She said like experience. What she say, Jaylin? There's the tea. If you're so in line.
And we is. No, it just was frustrating because I'm sitting here trying to advocate like,
we really don't get services. We don't get a knowledge. That's just not where we at. Right. And
she was. Well, it was just so hard for us in the 80s and did it hard for her? Because the
it was hard for white people in the 80s. Yeah. Because they didn't get access to mental services. And
none of that. It was so difficult. All this fighting they've done. And I'm like, huh? That's
an interesting approach. Because in the 80s, I believe my people was getting locked up. Well,
the 80s is the war on drugs. And when they actually put the drugs in our community and then
claimed the war and then built more prisons to put it in jail. But we get services though. We
evidently is what I heard supposedly. But no. So yeah, she just had some words for how difficult
it was back in the 80s for folks who are white to get services. Oh, that's interesting. You're
listening to 92.7. The black conversion show with your girl Brandi Grayson. And what are we
talking about Saturday morning? A little bit about everything. But usually we get back to the
subject of white supremacy racism. How it's everywhere. So this started with the conversation around
Beyonce and people mad. They mad, mad because Beyonce number one of the country jars. They mad,
man. Can we just talk about how dope her song is? And can we also acknowledge and woman's history
just her dopeness period, the B. I mean, I'm a B fan. Are you a fan? I did not because I was a
little cheap. I didn't want to spend that money. But after seeing the documentary, I will now go
see some performer. She is in the work that she put into. I said, sis, you worth all $500. And
next time you come in my area, I got you. It might be 600 by the end. But I know I cried and
stuff watching that. I said, look at all black woman. She's in the show. So anyway, y'all,
okay. So in the midst of black woman, I mean, I will shoot black woman history.
Well, period, just black women, just period. Okay. But can we talk about your boy Trump?
Okay, because I think Trump is just an amazing example of who and what America represents.
Is it just me? No. Because I mean, this dude stormed the Capitol.
I don't know who could be able to do that outside. Let it be black folks.
That dude stormed the Capitol on site. Po Po followed him, right? Because we remind you.
Co-sign. Co-sign. All of that. Po Po meaning for our listeners that are unfamiliar with our language.
Po Po means police officers. They stormed the Capitol alongside of him. And I don't remember the time
the dates, but y'all know when it happened, right? Around elections. January 6th and 2000 and 20 years
something. 23 something like that. 22. That was him giving us three minutes. He don't know.
Oh, give us a three minutes. He's like, what you said? 23 night. No, three minutes.
He's right. So yeah. So the he stormed the Capitol with his his his cornies. And he like did it
all through Facebook. They have all this proof and social media. And now he gets to come back four
years later and run for president and our Supreme Court supported it. So when you guys have a question
about what kind of context we exist in, we exist in where justice means justice. And again,
for the people who are listening, justice means justice, meaning that the laws and regulations
that are put forth are just for people more, you know, I'm not going to say just black people
because dude, if you have any melanin in your skin, you write in proximity of us and they will
include you too. But they tried not to include you too much, especially brown people are Latin
folks because then you can also check the box white Hispanic, which also allows you to get a certain
kind of path, pass in privilege and access to whiteness. But we hate to talk about that. But
since we're in the black convergence show, we're just going to talk about it. And then let's just
also talk about how that shows up in all dynamics, like especially in Madison and Wisconsin. Like I
think I talked about this before about how much hate we get from brown people. There's a lot of
competition. Yeah. And what are you competing in? Well, black women and like Latino women?
Girl, look, can we talk about Wagner, accounting, CPA? When we get back, I'm about to drag them.
Okay, because I didn't even want to drag them. I need to still write them. Because last time,
you didn't even call them out by name. I didn't aim to understand. That's because I got a new
accountant. Oh, okay. So we did transition to our new accountant firm. Okay. And I really appreciate
them. But if you guys don't know, I am the CEO of urban triage. And as a CEO of a black
leg, black center organization, we face a lot of challenges, a lot of obstacles, a lot of haters.
And then haters that actually work for us, like how I pay you 200 stacks, 200 stacks is what they
charged us in 2023 to do our books, y'all. And they jipped us. And when I say they jipped us,
they jipped us bad. They messed up most of our accounting, our funders are questioning everything
that we do because of the reports. They submitted. They caused a few more audits. And then they say,
we out. What? What? These white people were crazy. And can we talk about the partner on our
account is the mayor of Fishburg? Can we talk about that? A brown woman? And I keep saying that
I was going to write an article and a blog about it. But I just, I just be not having time. So
we got this show. So let's talk about the news. So when I get back, let's talk about what's
her name again? Julia. Julia, I find out she is the mayor of Fishburg. When we talk about
anti-blackness, baby, baby. Okay, we out. Let me go ahead and take a break real quick and listen
to the black convergence show on 92.7 FM. I'll be back in a jiff.
All right. We're back. I was like, what am I supposed to say? We're back. You're listening
to 92.7 FM with your girl, Brandy Grayson on the black convergence show. It's Saturday. Whatever
date it is today, but it's Saturday. And I keep telling myself that because I have to keep telling
myself that that is Saturday. So before we took our last break, I was of course talking about
anti-blackness and how it shows up and has been shown a big time in spaces that I'm in as a CEO
of Urban Triage, a local nonprofit organization. We got formed in like 2019 right before COVID hit.
So we've been doing a lot of direct service, homeless outreach, all kinds of stuff. We do all kind
of stuff, providing social supports and direct services. But nevertheless, during this time, we
we got one of the largest contracts in Dane County from Dane County Human Services. I think
second to the airport, which is kind of phenomenal for a small organization. And the money was to go
out to our community for rental support. It was the bell out money, COVID bell out money. And I
think they allocated like 20 million to us. So in the interim of this, we had to figure out an
infrastructure that worked for internal controls and audits. Because if you know anything about
nonprofits, we get audited for any and everything. Okay. Open records request for everything. So we
save everything. I don't care if it's a receipt for toilet paper. Baby, you better scan that and save
the cloud. Okay. So nevertheless, before we took break, we were talking about just so much anti-blackness
and how I had urban triaged hired Wagner CPA firm. Now Wagner CPA firm is known to be one of the
best nonprofit. The biggest. The biggest in Madison. If you need, if you have a heavy lift, you
usually you go to Wagner. People say go see Wagner. And when I went and enrolled Wagner to become our
CPA, we have been through a few CPAs and they sucked suck, but in a lot of times we find and
nonprofit, you'll find CPAs that just don't they say their experts, but they don't have the
credentials to keep up with the grant management. They spend reporting the compliance. The the
lift is heavy. So I literally beg Wagner to take us on. Because they said we don't have the
capacity and Scott Hammersley, who was a. Am I saying his name right? Scott Hammersley. Anyway,
he was a partner at Wagner. Super dope dude. Shout out to you, Scott. I ride with Scott. He's
retired at the end of December. And when he retired, they dropped us. So we were going to drop them
anyway because of the anti-blackness and the racism. But Scott was a real cool dude. He handled
the situation with grace. And he also handled it with understanding of that his the people
did not lack analysis of how racism works and how they were actually perpetrating against our
organization. So to make a small, a long story shorter than I have time for because we have like five
minutes. Let's just say I had a Wagner. They have teams teams of folks who support your your
organization. So they act as your CFO, right? Their job is to make sure what you the things you
built for are allowable and that their job is also to support around the audit and their job is to
create the expense reports and the reimbursement reports that go back to all your funders,
the city, the state, the federal government, whoever money we we get to do our work. So the team
was a white girl. Her name was Brittany. A white dude. His name was James. And then Julia.
Three people. Yes. Julia. The because our we had a big push. We have millions of dollars. Right?
So Julia was the partner. She was a supervisor of the team assigned to us. And she is the mayor
of Fishburton. She is a brown woman. She was working what for Wagner? What she is the number one
of the partners of Wagner. Seriously? What? I did not know that girl. Yeah. So she was assigned to
our case. And she was assigned to our our team right when she was going through like her run.
Yeah. So I'm like super excited. Like I got this brown woman on my team. This is super cool.
You're running for office. I'm like, oh, I'm telling people to vote for her. I'm donating because
you're brown, right? You know, we can do all this brown black thing. But you know the same with
it. Black people will need to go ahead at conversation right now because y'all get real in y'all
feelings. Okay. So anyway, I mean, they get in there feeling so bad. They cry. And I bet
you they're going to share this. But did you hear what she said? She dragged us in a letter.
Okay. Write the publisher. Send a letter to the board. I don't know. So the board of urban
triage. If you want to follow grievance, please send an email to info at urban triage.org.
So she said, look, contact us. Okay. So anyway. So we I'm on this team. You know, we get started.
So as a matter of fact, the coolest people that was part of the team were the white men. Scott
Hammond, he was good. He was always open to, you know, figuring things out and making things work
for us. James, he was cool as heck. But I'm telling you that white girl should have me sit on the
zoom and tell her what to do. Irritated every bone in that white woman's body. You tell her what to
do and you hired her to work for you. Well, because as a, you know, I'm the boss. I pay you 200 stacks
a year. Then when I need you to figure something out, I need you to figure it out, right? So there
was things that we needed to figure out because we had to prepare for our audit, right? So there
was cleanup they had to do from our last accountant. And I'm giving, did you work for numbers,
work with numbers? Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we get you know, I talk about them, right?
Yeah. We had a lot of accountants. Um, so anyway, so stay focused. Stay focused. Stay focused.
So in this conversation, right? Like I'm saying, like, this is what we need to do. And this is how
our organization functions. So urban triage runs programs that are umbrella programs inside of
each other. Like our supporting healthy black families inside the umbrella. We have
co-conspirators, masters, work groups supporting healthy youth, I'm supporting healthy black
agriculture, supporting healthy families. We have these like subgroups of groups. And they all
have different funding. But when we write grants for them, we write them for the whole umbrella.
And you know why we do that? Just in case we're short in the line. I don't know where we can move it
around. So I'm explaining this to this white woman. And I'm saying this covers this because
look at the grant and how it's written, right? It's written for all of our supporting healthy
black families, work groups. She would tell me, well, we can't do that because it's not eligible
or we can't do it for supporting healthy black agriculture because it's not. And I'm like,
it is an umbrella program, sis. And I intentionally write it that way so that we could move money
however we need because if you don't write in a specific way, then you become locked in, right?
So I'm telling her what to do. And I'm trying to tell her explain. And then we have our unhoused
neighbors program, which is multiple housing programs. And those clients are served under our super
supporting healthy black families. So as long as we serve them under different
programming, we get to use those as match funds for the other program as long as we're serving them.
So I'm explaining to her, this is how I was smart enough to set it up because I understood funding
and how we had to associate resources and make it work for us. So she would push back and she
would talk so much stuff. And then she would send out letters to our funders questioning how we
were expensing our stuff and what was allowable. So mind you, before them, we've been doing this work
three years before them. We never was questioned about anything. And I did all the reporting, right?
And I, of course, we passed all of our audits. We had a couple of things that we needed to do in our
audits, which was like, we didn't have a procurement policy, but it wasn't anything financial
management, right? So, but once they got started, everybody around us questioned us.
Everybody around us audited us. And then they would give us numbers that was inaccurate, like in
wrong. So like when they closed out at the end of December, they gave us all these wrong numbers.
And then we had to go back and figure it out. And then they gave us a $40,000 accounting system
that they never showed us how to use it. We get fined for stuff like that. What? It was hail working
for Wagner. And y'all tell them tag them, okay? And I am going to, and I'm going to write a blog
I'm working for instead of working with. Okay, would it crazy? Yeah, and crazy. That's how it felt.
I felt like I was, they were paying me, right? And I wasn't the boss. And they were acting like I
didn't know what I was talking about, right? Because there's always always this questioning
of black women and black people and black leadership, just like Beyonce said in her documentary,
like I'm a billion dollar chick. And I'm telling these people how I want my stage and
they're saying, and you're questioning it and telling me no. And that's how white people do me.
That's how white people do urban triage. And our work all the time. But Wagner was the most
difficult situation I've ever had with a contractor, someone paying me. You know what I mean?
Like, I mean, I'm paying you paying them right there. Look, it's the white
women. And I'm paying them in their tree. That's like, we're, but that's only half of the conversation.
That was one thing. And then Julia will show up in our meetings and conversations all sad and upset
and snapping. And then one time I just told her, this is what anti-blackness looks like. And all
y'all need training. So we can continue the conversation in a second because we got to take a break
from our sponsors. Our sponsors are probably going to pull a couple ads after hearing this.
Sorry, civic media. But we'll be back in a bit if you're listening to 92.7 FM, The Black Convergence Show.
All right. All right. Now you're listening to 92.7 FM, The Black Convergence Show.
A hot mess Saturday. Today is we're happy to have you listening to us as we just talk randomly
about the anti-ness because, you know, we just talk about local stuff in our local news.
Wagner sucks. Wagner CPA and their lack of accountability and their lack of interest and really
dealing with the issue. So let me tell you how they dropped us because why not? Why don't I tell you?
Right. Let me spill the tea. So we were having issues with them in like bumping heads over things that
didn't make sense. Like we went three months without any billing. So, you know, for nonprofits,
most of the money we get is reimbursed. So that means like we have to front the money, then send in
an expense report and then we get money back. So they want to transition us into this accounting
system that no one understood. And we still don't understand it. And we were working in QuickBooks
just fine. They want to transition us into this. And they want the charges 30 grand. Well,
I'm telling you, I don't use that report. Don't do it. Stick with your regular accounting,
make them work in there because you know, then they're going to do they're going to say all the
our systems, the systems that you use for payroll and everything else don't integrate.
We can't get someone they had to control versus you. Yes. Yes. We couldn't control anything.
And then they didn't offer us the training. So we, and then they will show us like a 45 minute
video and say, well, we recorded it. Go to watch. I said, we don't know how to report.
Right. We don't even know how to read this report. Right. And then they told us that we need
better grant management. Great. It was a hot mess. Right. So if you didn't before they came into
the right. When they came, we was fine before you showed up. Mr. Wagoner, right? Mr. Wagoner.
So let me tell you why they. Not Mr. Wagoner. Let me tell you how they dropped our black butts.
Right. And then our whole brain, because you would think we had a brown woman on the team that
there would be some kind of empathy compassion for some advocacy. But she never showed up for our
meetings. She, it was just Brittany, the white girl leading the way. James was really cool. He was
always trying to figure it out. But Brittany, like you ever pay attention to the white woman white
man dynamic. Like how they show up sometimes when they being like too nice or too like trying to
work with you or helping you figure out that no James, we can't do that. No James. That's not
allowable. No James. And James being a woman like, he's like, well, we, we actually can't
we actually can't. And then Scott to show up and he'll be part of the conversation,
um, the partner or whatever. And then he'd be like, well, actually you guys should have
did this, this and that. And that's not what you should have did. And then they would really
get beat. But Scott didn't show up that often, right? And he didn't show up until all
hit the fan. Yeah. And then he had to come to all of our meetings because it was so bad that we
could barely get through the meetings because Julia was show up. The mayor of Fishburg
was show up and be so emotional and heated because I mean, real talk, if you're the mayor,
that means you have to have emotional intelligence, right? Yeah, emotional intelligence to be able
to ground yourself in the moment and figure out how to get through and work through an issue,
especially for your client that's paying over $200,000 for 12 months of accounting services.
So it was a show. Okay. So I don't care what they say because I'm there's no lies. And let me
remind you that every meeting I have with white people, guess what I do? You required it. Hey man,
because what you ain't going to do is say I'm lying. So if you want to receipt, I got it in
my cloud, a man, a man. So when we started, so this is the thing, like even in conversation,
we were asked, and what can we do about this? What can we do with this? They'll tell us,
oh, you can do this. You can do that. We can do this. We can adjust this. And then we'll get flag
funder and say, no, you couldn't do that. Or that wasn't allowed. And I'd be like, well,
they said, we can't. They'll turn around and email say, we don't remember that conversation.
And then I'll send them the date in the recording. Just in case you forgot all of our meetings
are recorded. Right. And on this specific date, March the 6th, 2043, 2343. I got
received. Let me tell you, it was a hot mess. And then so Julia didn't really come to our meetings.
It would hit the fan. And then she would show up and be like, well, they said you did this.
And I said, and I would say, well, James, is that really what happened? Because what happened
was, and James was like, well, yeah, that is actually what happened. What? So then we go, our
board says, because of all the back and forth, the board says, hey, we need to find a new CPA.
So we start interviewing CPAs. Coloff is our current CPA. They call Wagner, I guess,
out of respect, because they work with Wagner and partnership. So they call Wagner and say, hey,
urban triage contacted us about services and a contract. We know they're with you,
but we just want to extend a currency that they had we had met with them. So guess what Wagner
did the the morning they contacted them. They sent us a letter and said, we no longer would like
to go forth in our contract with you. And our contract would be ending effective December of
the end of 2020, 23. Yeah. And then when I met with Scott, like, what was that about? They said,
well, they said that it was your grant management. I said, that's funny because it took y'all
eight months to roll out of our accounting system. You started in January. We didn't get access
to our accounting system into August. So even if we wanted to do grant management and do stuff
ourselves, we couldn't because we didn't have access. And then you went three or four months
without billing. So then our money was funny. It was Joe. And then you say it was a grant
management issue, but it wasn't an issue. And to call off called you, they called you at eight
on nine a.m. You sent the email at eight thirty nine a.m. Damn. What? That's shady. Got to have
your seats. Look, all I got to say is all of it was shady. And what Julia represented for me
is every brown person, not every brown person. Cause that would be a generalization. And that
would probably stab you. Cause some of y'all my dogs. But in Madison, Wisconsin, there's this,
this, this dynamic, especially with a brown woman, where when I, when I individually come
in the room and we're talking about housing, services, grants, collaboration, cooperation,
collectiveness, there's this sense of, you can see it in their face. Because you know,
we be on zoom. They'd be like, right.
Madison, I'd be like, black lives matter. They'd be
brown people matter too. I'd be like, y'all sounding just like white people. And then you're not
even understanding like the issue here. Because this is, and as I often say, there's no
Olympics in oppression. There just is, right? There's no Olympics. I'm not trying to prove to you
or trying to compete with you over, you know, the fact that Trump put up a gate, the fact that
people you were married to voted against you, the fact that your kids were taken away from you,
there's no competition here. All that is is a system of white supremacy, which has this
relationship with blackness that in order for you to get was just for you, brown people,
Asian people, white women, that relationship has to end. Because again, we live in a context of
white supremacy and the dimension of relativity. What does relativity means? It means that everything
in our dimension is relative to something else. Whiteness cannot exist without blackness.
You know, white people define themselves by our black skin. They don't look at brown people and say,
look at that brown person that will make me white. No, you know what they do? They look at the
black person and say that black person is the opposite of me. So that makes me white. And then I get
to create this social construct of blackness and whiteness by saying, well, look at those darkies
over there. How can I make? How can I make it so where everyone hates them? And we are the
prototype of humanity. So what we do is, right, we'll make them the animals. We talk about this
and Dr. Jordan Groey, all the sites to study and the study of racism done by white people too.
Y'all have all come to the same conclusion that cognitive dissonance is huge for white people,
right, in order to be the prototype of humanity and to kill the world, right? And conquer the world
and kill everybody and bomb everybody. And then point your fingers at others and say,
when you get the Nigerians over there living the animals, in order to do that, you have to make
yourself the prototype, right? You have to. So you did. So the whole system of democracy in
America is based on that prototype. So then we get a Trump in office that can say storm the
capital. Gosh darn it. And we marched down the street and you guys like, oh, the animals.
They're not pay tricks. Right. So okay, I'm done. Y'all. Okay. Y'all want to ask some
to the conversation because I just went on a whole tangent. You're listening to 92 points.
I think I think this goes back to what was started right after the protests. Yeah,
when what was it called? The riots? No girl. The looting? Coconut Spiriter. Oh, our
Coconut Spiriter work group. Yeah. Okay. Teach white folks about this. Yes, I do. Yes, I do.
Maybe talk a little bit about the transformation that some of your allies. Oh yeah, my white
people. So when they go through our training, they really do that racist. This is by what
it sounds. You're not racist. You. Let's just be honest, I cannot be racist. I don't have
power to be racist. I could be, I can be prejudice and I do have prejudices because I exist in a
world that constantly reminds me of this dynamic of blackness and whiteness, right? And it's
projected on me not just by white people, but black men also and brown women, the dynamic and
the complex about that black men. Oh, no, we didn't transition the one on the one married to
a denim white women because them are the worst. Oh, no. Okay. That's tough for me because
you are me. I know, but I'm just saying the way the way they're called. I hold up. My mom was
white in my daddy. I'm not talking about black men and white women. I'm talking about the way
that black men who are in a relationship with white women treat black women. That's different.
That's what I'm talking about. Okay. So say that again because we we need clarity here on 92.7
of them. You're listening to the black conversion show. What does it? Huh? Whatever you said. Look,
black. There is a different type of black man. The black man that dates or is in a relationship with
a white woman treats black women very differently. But all black men that date white women treat
black women in my experience. Yes. And what way is that? How much time do we have left? We got
two minutes. Oh, for that subject. We got five minutes total. Damn. Okay. Dark. Okay. Well,
yeah, wait, can we say that? Dark. Can we say that? Okay. We're at least at least I didn't come
like the very first time I came to show. I'm so sorry, y'all. I'm coughing. My asthma is
kicking up today. Last week, it was my allergies this week. It's my asthma. Probably the drinking.
Because, you know, birthday. Okay, go ahead. They just they they look at us differently. Why?
We don't get trusted. We don't get respected. It's I don't know why. It's just I would ask black
men to call in. But this is not a live show anymore. So I will not ask you to call in. I think we
should at some point. Can we do a live show? I don't know. I can ask Nate, the producer and the owner
of the station. If we can if we can do it. Like I'm the producer. Gee, I just show up. Okay. That
would be a thing to have black men calling and talk about. Or we can just invite a black man on.
Oh, yeah, that's what we do. We just invite a couple black men on our show and let's talk about the
dynamics of white supremacy and the attributes of white supremacy that black women and black men
embody, right? So that we can have a equal plan field because there are attributes of whiteness
that we all embody. So part of our co-conspirator teaching is to teach people that white supremacy
actually isn't about race. It's about a power dynamic that has created this social construct
in this dynamic between black and white and on the spectrum of black and white everybody else falls
in between, right? So it goes from whites to Asians to brown people to black people and then
actually indigenous people because we actually forget about them. We forget about them in the
context. But I don't want to because you know, last time I talked about indigenous people,
I got accused of erasing their history. Yeah. And then Madison 365 wrote a whole six page
article on that. I said, that's what you write on. And it wasn't a mistake of me running for
all their person. Oh, yeah. So that's like a community center, a community center newspaper that
decides to write about Brandy Grayson and her anti-indigenous stuff because I was saying that Africa
was the birth of humanity. And then the people that were born in Africa was black and blue. And then
they spread across the whole globe to create other races and that actually slavery didn't just was
black people just didn't get to America's through slavery. We actually was already here. And if you
read the writings of Columbus folks who actually never landed here, they talked about coming here
in different areas and seeing people that were blue black and to go people. They were so black,
they were blue. So that's what I was talking about at the time. And then they wrote this whole
article and then all these indigenous people showed up and said, are you eight you? You erased our
history. I said, y'all sure love to hate me, but y'all don't hate the white people that's
depressing us all. But of course, okay, but it's cool. It's cool. Be mad at me. And I'll go ahead
and black, but anyway, it's cool when they do it. It's a problem when I do it. Oh, okay. Okay.
Anyway, I digress again. We got like one minute. Okay. So I think next time though, we should bring
on black men and we should talk about the power dynamics and the attributes of whiteness
that we have swam in and been indoctrinated in which leads to us dealing with each other in a
very negative devaluing way. Yeah. I think that would be our next show. Okay. Then that way,
we're not like say, ooh, black men, this is that because I actually love black men. I mean,
I actually have a black man and I have a black son. I have a black son. But sometimes we have
the conversation that's like I would just say family conversations about the dynamics and
complexities about being black. And then people take that when black women say it as anti-black
manness, right? Because you know, when I start, what people said, I thought they were like,
brain, I thought you were gay because you never dated men. I said, well, I could be gay and still
date men. So I don't know what difference is that made. I could be queer, gay, and black men.
I could be whatever I want. But at the end of the day, people come up with these conclusions.
Like you see how she's always hating on men. Yeah. But actually really, really love men. And I
love their chests and I love their muscles and I love their arms and I love land on his chest
at night. And I love that he holds me when I cry. All right. We gonna wrap it up.
And I love looking at his skin and his chocolateness. And I love how we wear like a blue suit on his
suit. And I'm like, look at my baby with a bow tie. Okay. So I love all of that. Okay.
And y'all having a great weekend son of a brain show birthday. Happy birthday, your brandy. Okay.
Okay. Of course, you're listening to the black conversion show where we talk about racism a lot.
Can y'all do me a favor? Feel out any surveys you get to say, write your legislator, write your
assistant, write whoever you can about Trump in this whole Supreme Court stuff. This is ridiculous,
ridiculous, ridiculous. And then go out and vote for black people, vote for Dana, vote for
April Kageha, Fox News, random thing about the county exec. And they said everybody picture
a Sephardena. That is what whiteness looks like. Okay. We're out in here at 92.7 FM,
peace loving hair grease. Bye.
Okay. You're listening to the quiet storm on 92.7 FM. I'm just kidding. You're listening to
the black conversions show, but that's all maybe think it's like, look at that quiet storm.
Y'all remember the quiet story. And I grew up in there. All the jazz, the PC Jones jazz,
and all the arms. Yeah. That's what that's all reminded me of. So before we thought it was our
last segment. Are you two? We whatever, Jay, it was us. It was always us apparently. So what I
was saying is there's people running for office. We have Dana, Pelabon, who's running for the
county exec, Dane County, Kelly, and when our electrons, our electrons, not until next year,
but they have primaries in April, right? Cause that for county exec. What? You sure?
November. Well, she is. So then they do the primaries in November. And then we vote for them when
the following April, cause don't you do primaries? Did you got to eliminate? You got to get down to
two, right? And then they run. So isn't primaries usually in April? And then we vote in November,
this April. It should be a primary in August. Oh, yeah. Okay. A primary in August. And then they
run you, you vote in November. Okay. So let me tell you about Fox news. Okay. So I'm listening.
I'm watching Fox news. And I'm just going to say black people should not watch Fox news. But my
partner Brian loves to watch news at nine or 10 o'clock at night. And then right. So I'm throwing
shade at you, Bay. Cause what the heck? Okay. But you stay in inform. You can't be mad at him for
that girl. I hate Fox news. So what we're watching it, right? I'm sitting there. And then they talk,
they talk about the county execs. So I then I pay attention. Cause I'm like, oh, my girl,
running my girl. I want to see if they show her. Yeah. The first person they show is Wayne.
What's the name? Wayne strong Wayne Smith. Wayne. Oh, West, West, West, West,
Sparkman. So they show him black dude. He's sitting back. His suit talking about, you know, A,
B and C. And I'm like, okay, okay, I can get that. I'm still voting for Dana. Okay. And then next,
they showed, they showed a white dude, right? He said a couple things. I don't know what he said.
Cause it wasn't important to me. Okay. And then they, they just mumble over, um,
Melissa Sharjan. She's the third person. So they show a quick picture of her. You don't hear
nothing. She say they don't show a picture of Dana. At all. They say, these are the four people.
What they said, Dana, they, they mushed a Melissa Sharjan and Dana, Pelibon's name together at the
end. But they didn't even show a picture of her. But I thought it was a perfect symbolism of how
white supremacy works. Yeah. Right. So you have the men that gets most time, right? And I think,
like, um, showcasing, uh, West, first, I think he has something to do with the current, uh,
county thing. What does he do right now? He currently works for the county. Okay. So that makes
total sense. So the county sector's current box. Okay. So he's, he's the chosen one. Right. That's
what I took from this box news. Yeah. He's the chosen one. And the white dude is the backup.
Melissa Sharjan's like, okay, you a white woman will give you a picture. And then Dana,
you the black woman, we ain't even going to show you. Okay. There's another white woman. Um,
Regina, she just jumped there. She jumped in before when I need her name. Girl, she jumped in last
October. Girl, they mentioned her because she doesn't, she doesn't really have a whole lot to bring.
But they could at least mention her. She's still on the ballot. She is. Well, get the, so let's get
to be honored too. But can we talk about why Dana is the person for the job? Can we talk about how
she's been working? And let's first talk about what the county exec does real quick. What is the
county exec role? They run the county. They run the county, but their biggest budgets are what?
Health and human services. I mean, that's number one. That's the main.
County human services, child protective services, day and county share of all of that.
And so Dana, she runs a rape crisis center. She's executive director. So she's been managing people
in programs for a long time. Long time. She's worked for a lot of other organizations. She's
county board supervisor up until this April. She's out in the community. She does theater.
She acts. I mean, she's everywhere. She's an advocate. She's advocate. She's everywhere.
And she also knows how to cross communities. That's what I think. I think I love the most about Dana
is that she could go in any room and bring together some type of compromise or bridge. So you
can have the leftist of leftist, the most they don't really be left for real y'all. But then you
can have the rightist of the rightist, right? The most conservative people in the room. And she
could sit with them and they will walk out with some type of understanding, like, okay, well, I can see
what you mean by that. And this is a solution. And I think for Madison and a day and county area,
those are the kind of people we need. We don't need people to take black or white stamps because
nothing about the work for direct services, child protective services, day and county share of
none of that is actually black and white. It's pretty granular. Is that a word grainy or
grainy or anything about the kind of exact position? It's not a political position. We don't need,
we don't need a politician like Melissa Egar. Right. Like we need somebody who's run systems,
who works in systems. Yeah. Not somebody who's been up at the Capitol. Like they're too
competitive in positions. Yeah. Somebody who has that experience expertise. So yeah, so get out and
vote like Jay said. Like the people with the expertise, the folks that know how to run and manage
trust black women. Yeah. Ain't that. I want to use this for everything else. But the thing
about right, but the thing about black women everywhere we show up, we rock it. And then Madison
and day and county, we mess around and we lose them because we lost Vanessa McDowell, who was the
first elected, no, appointed CEO of YWCA and she did great work in our community, including building
the Y up and out of their racism because I worked there too. And that was the, let's just not talk
about that. Okay. So, but we lose her. And not even as a community, her church is losing her.
Like Mountain Zion Church, she's been there forever. I mean, I met her in church. I had to be about
10. I'm 44 now. That's 34 years. And she contributed a lot to that church. But what people don't do is
they don't recognize what we give and our contribution into it's too late. Right. So instead of
acknowledged all the things, I mean, I'm sure she played a huge part with them pan off their,
their mortgage. Right. Yeah. Like she, yeah. And I'm telling you, she, she has something to do with it
because she has, she's just that dope of a woman. And I don't know that for a fact, but I'm guessing
because I know her role in that church. So we lose her not as a, just a community member as a
church person and as a direct service provider, ensuring equity and all of that. We lose a person
that contribute to the diversity of our community. And I honestly think that all black women should
run from Madison, day and county. We should just all get out. This is run the county. Just run,
no, run it, run out of the county. Get out of it. Out of the car. No, why don't we stay and
change it? They'll infiltrate the system. Cause it's not possible. You don't think so? No,
it's too much whiteness. White people, even like, for example, I don't know when they got one
minute left. Urban triage has been on the same for three years. We have done the most work
than any organization that's been doing the work for 14 to 20 years. And they still fight us
against us. And they never give us our credit. They never like instead they, they put us in
situations for people to attack us. And then they say, well, I don't know what to do about that.
Like it's really sad. So why would we continue to endure abuse for the namesake of who,
for what purpose? So the city of Madison and day and county could check boxes and say, look,
I see that we're not that racist anymore because we did that. And that's how we end up being
tokenized too as an organization. So I don't know. And I think they tokenize us everywhere.
We go everywhere. I mean, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. Yeah, just a little worse.
Cause I know y'all get pulled into every black situation that you're doing. Oh my god, we don't
have to. That's my good right there. Like we hired you black person. There's a black situation
over here. You go there with it. But not only the black situation, she said one. The brown one too.
All all situation. Well, I mean, we are good at problems. All of them. I mean, period.
So black women, y'all remember Vanessa's board that she had on Park Street that said,
trust black women. We minted. She minted. And we just need to do better. Trust Dana to be our
county exec to make history and do the work that we all know needs to happen and the work that we
know a man or anybody else can do. I mean, give her credentials and our expertise. So again,
you're listening to 92.7 FM. We are out this time for good. Peace, love and handry. Yeah.
