What up the show girl Brandi Grayson on 92.7 FM WX wait WM DX I'm gonna get it right
one day you're listening to the black conversion show I'm so excited about
tonight tonight I have two co-hosts last week I was pretty lonely and then I
was begging y'all to call in to engage in a conversation and then I found
out later the number wasn't even working so y'all was calling in and what
nobody answering because it's into another show but I appreciate all of y'all
effort to support me last week as I was in the studio by myself but I really
wasn't by myself I was with Nate my favorite producer I'm just gonna call
I think I should just put in front of your Nate your name Nate favorite
producer Brandi's favorite producer yeah I think that'll be perfect but
this week I am excited to have two guest hosts I have April Kageya our
Dane County supervisor board of supervisor I think it's called board of
supervisors and I have Meyer Pearson who is elected board member I'm not sure
the official name of that but I would like to do is let you guys introduce
yourselves they are both running for reelection and I'm super excited to
support you and I'm super excited because they black I would be excited if
they were white because they're my friends too but I'm especially heightened
with excitement because they're black and because they both have gone through
supporting healthy black families and been a part of urban triage which is the
nonprofit organization that I found it and run and part of our work is to
provide you know personal development inspire empower people into action and to
be leaders in our communities and all of a sudden y'all out here making big
girl moves and stuff so I'm really just excited about tonight it's kind of
special so I'm just gonna pass it to April and let her introduce herself and
just tell us anything anything you want us to hear or know whatever it don't
matter so like Brandy said I'm April I'm currently Dane County board
supervisor for district 15 which is the west side of Madison part of the
west side of Madison and part of the west side of Middleton so my district
overlaps two cities I'm running for reelection currently I don't have an
opponent hopefully it'll stay that way okay because that means cheaper
campaign they may know yes campaigns are expensive and I'm also the CFO at
Winger school and which my son attends this is a private school yep with
her son and my son attend it two of three black boys there yes that's all
nothing I know what next topic right that'll be a different show we love you
towards the okay you're doing a good job the principles black you don't say
yeah you're black I'm black three black boys how many how many kids do they
have in the whole school one 15 115 and there's only three black boys okay we'll
talk about that okay anyway and that's it okay right okay that's not it you
do a lot you don't know okay you're right I don't want to force you okay Maya I'm
sorry pressure I'm trying to force you okay I'm sorry okay Maya tells about you
what are you doing yeah so my name is Maya Pearson and I am the Madison board
of education vice president oh I don't know you had a title
well April was also fancy but she won't say you know what her position is
on the thank honey supervisor oh wait what is your position second vice chair
oh exactly I don't need to know what that means okay so leadership position okay
okay okay you boss okay all right well then I'm the coordinator for man
scholars which is a scholarship fund that was created by the man family who
was a black family to give funding to students every year of high school to pay
for supplementary educational expenses like traffic safety or clothes for
school or school supplies or I don't see in your pictures or something like
that so oh that's dope is so the man family are they a Madison yes so are they
rich no okay it was an endowment that was created in their name oh that's
so well again I'm excited to have them so the topic today y'all is
massager nor I'm not even sure if I'm pronouncing that right am I pronouncing
that right massager nor massagerie massagerie is the word that they use massager
nor is the word that was coined by Mora Bailey and so massagerie is what is
massagerie and gosh I looked up the definition that were men like control
things or it's like that's patriarchy so massagerie somebody Google it so we
don't get so we can leave so we can least look like we intellectually
academically so anyway our show today okay okay go ahead and see Google has
everything by the way so if you don't know something just Google it okay so
okay you not supposed to come oh sorry yes see this is why you can't bring
people on your show because Nate warned you didn't you yeah and she said he
said I'm gonna have this conversation with y'all and then she went ahead and
did it but it's okay I apologize Nate I'm so sorry that's what the dump buttons for
okay okay good okay so I'm gonna read the definition okay massagerie is
hatred of contempt for or prejudice against women and girls it's a form of
sexism that can keep women at their lower social status than men thus
maintaining the social roles of patriarchy massagerie has been widely practiced
for thousands of years it's reflected in art literature human socials
structure historical events etc perfect see that one heart see so that was
kind of right you was you was there's like a yeah it has something to do a
picture I mean it's like that act it's the form right it's the form of patriarchy
and massager nor is like the specific hatred for hatred dislike distrust and
prejudice directed at black women so black women specifically so back back
I can't remember but our girl Kimberly Crenshaw y'all know her she
coined the term intersectionality and it was her way of describing how
different experiences within black culture and black environment plays out and
now it's a mainstream word because you know they call off our words right now
now it's a mainstream word that represents that kind of intersectionality for
everyone right and massager nor is another way of distinguishing the specific
experiences of women known as black so I wanted to I wanted that to be our
topic tonight because you guys are running for reelection you guys and when
you put yourself in a spotlight when you ask people and you campaign and you
say hey both for me then you get a whole different experience then can't right
or Sarah or someone who's not of your hue and I just wanted to not the hue the
hue not right because we're gonna remove race we're gonna say hue okay so I
just wanted to open it up and really just you know part of our show and our
mission is to educate our listeners right and really help people understand
that racism and white supremacy is not about race because a lot of I would
just say characteristics of white supremacy and racism is embodied by all of
us and we often perpetrate against each other and when I say each other I mean
black people brown people you know folks who we would say are part of
oppressed oppressed groups including white women right so I wanted to just
like I was like this is a perfect time to talk about that and really have this
difficult and yet uncomfortable conversation about misogyny and misogyny
so I'm just gonna open up what do you guys think how does this show up in your
world and your work and I mean how long is this so in my day job for sure more
so I've experienced it on the county board which I mean this is gonna be
controversial so when you're in a space that is predominantly men let alone
white men we tend to be seen differently if we're seen at all right and so like
I mentioned or actually Maya brought it up me being in a leadership position
second vice chair the board it's a leadership position by title but
unfortunately I haven't experienced what other folks in that position before
me had in regards to but didn't they vote for you don't you have to
elect people to vote you do yep so but but you know what tokenism is right we we
do know what tokenism so that's and and I think it was three months into my
term on the board where each supposed to do an inspirational message my
inspirational message was about black women being seen only when it was
beneficial to others so I felt and I publicly said this in the meeting that I
was used as a token to say oh we have a black woman yeah we have a black
woman leadership position on the board but yet I I feel and everyone knows this
because I've said it publicly that I was shut out of a lot of meetings
opportunities it was just in name to say see we have this person here we're
inclusive and then there's been many experiences that Dana myself have publicly
experienced privately experienced on the board in regards to our counterparts
and it's and it's it's interesting because there's 37 of us right so it's a
huge county board yeah I didn't think that we were all gonna get along and have
this name because that's like diversity of thought is a great thing to have
right but what I was what I was shocked by was the amount or the lack of
support and protection that I received in those spaces I'm wondering like
why do we even think people will show up to support us protect us when they
never have because it's like okay we can be it can start now right like we
can be we can be the person I mean you told things as you're running yes you're
gonna be great you're gonna be support all this is lip service unfortunately for
a lot of right and say they endorse you but look endorsement on paper is very
different like don't endorse me on paper endorse me in your action right like
so now like running again I'm like endorsements yes they're great but also it's
like what does that really mean because there are some people who have said I'm
gonna support you and send up for you and they don't it's happened in front of
their faces yeah in public meeting and they say no and it's silent until someone
else says something yes oh my god yeah I just I'm in so you know we always relate
right that's what happens when you're shipping your back and it's a different
compounded experience when you're woman it's a different compounded
experience when you're trans when you're differently able and you know you
don't have privileges or access it's a whole different experience and that's
what we call intersectionality yeah like this intersecting like on one
hand I have privilege right I have the privilege I have access I have
influence I have I have a good salary right and that gives me privilege we're
not the county board yeah yeah however like when I I went to see the movie
Renaissance with with Dana with the Beyonce and first of all Beyonce the
billionaire okay we all wish we were billion yeah it's like there was a whole
room for money okay husband got open for money like how do you even have that
much power and in her movie she talks about massage nor without identifying it
or naming it like she talks about being in conversations with her
contractors and people who are employed to do the work she to execute her
vision and then they push back they see her as problematic and I thought that
when you arrive as a certain status that some way racism anti-blackness or
sexism is less apparent right but that shows up in a different way a different
way and I'm watching I'm watching the movie and I'm like what this is okay
now okay I don't feel alone okay so now I need to get back in my body and do
the work of we'll talk about in a minute because you know we got to go
our spouses I like y'all talking too much we need to go and break you'll
listen to the black conversion show with your girl your number one host
Brande Grayson or 92.7 WMDX I'll be back in a jiff with April Kage and my
appearance and stay tuned
all right y'all you are back with your girl Brande Grayson on 92.7 FM WMDX
thank you for listening I think you guys should call in though last week I gave
you the a number that did not work I just want you to know that was not my
fault somebody gave it to me that gave it to somebody else then gave it to me
and it did not work right it just didn't work so anyway I have a new number so I
want you guys to call into the studio the number is 608 8 7 9 8 2 5 5 6 0 8 8 7 9 8
2 5 5 and come on air with us and join the conversation the conversation really
is about black women and leadership and misogyny in the specific I guess
actualization or component of misogyny that have been coined or termed as
misogyny or which is specific to the experience of black women this intersection
of race and sexism and I have in the in the studio with me my co-host my
appearance in April Kage and I'm Maya tell us about your experience and
leadership and running for office and being in conversations with folks and
whatever you want just
I can't guarantee that
so yeah so I ran my first campaign in 2020 for school board and it was
exciting it was fun I was excited I was like okay this is a new chapter of
my leadership like you know I'm introvert I'm gonna be out there I'm gonna be
learning how you know to talk to people and I was it was really exciting and I
feel like there was a lot of support from all the people around like April
said there's all these people are like yes you can do it you can do it we need
you oh no we need your voice on the board we need you you know like your
experience is so valuable like you lived experience so valuable you know so
yeah you're like oh yeah you get hype yeah you're like excited you like I'm
doing it right right right right and so yes so I announced and in January when
we had to submit our papers there was no kind of anyone that so I was
thinking like oh I might be unimposed and then like two people jumped into the
race like last minute they submitted their stuff it was too white women of course
that was like we can not represent our children under no circumstances right and at
that time it was just a statement and Ali who were black who were on the board
at the time and so you know but we each have our own different experiences of
Madison with our own kind of lenses yeah based off our intersectionality with
different boxes that we choose we can choose so anyway so yeah they came and
then we ran the campaign we had a primary and I would say the primary running
up to the primary things are great like it was completely great I was I was
killing it I was knocking doors like crazy people are like we support you I'm
like yes I'm raising all this money and then I won the primary overwhelmingly so
of course you're coming down off that how you're like yes yes yes yes I'm about
to go let's go let's go right and then the general election was coming up and
then COVID hit so then you know you're you're asking I ran a grassroots
campaign so I'm like anybody everyone that can help you know chip in here and
we're getting all the support but then when COVID hit it changed the
conversation I willingly could not ask vote to we're losing their jobs getting
kicked out of their house as a person you know as a black woman in the community
and you know a person who was a single parent you know don't have the means and
whatever so at that time I was like I can't ask people to do that I can't even
ask people to go vote because if you have to risk your life to vote like in our
community we know what that looks like to risk our lives to go vote if I
can't tell my grandma to go vote because of COVID and she's scared to go out
there I'm not gonna ask other people to do so we kind of set back and we found
different ways to like campaign which a lot of those ways were used in other
kind of folks as campaigns based off of COVID because we were the first ones to
go through it and what I noticed as we're doing like things virtually was
that one of the women my opponent at the time my diversity and how I wanted to
include all families of course she was platform starts showing up right and I
was like I had to have like what it was like she was like my name is Karen and I
believe in diversity and inclusion what am I
was name cares
damn man
when you are I did not know that it was
but she's gonna write me a hate letter it's okay she didn't make it through the
primary so it's fine but anyways
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Colin please
no she's great she's a teacher and yeah so at that time was like I've just felt
the support start to dwindle dwindle dwindle dwindle dwindle and I thought that I
could win that one I was like oh man like I think I can still win you know I
know the other person is coming on strong but she's also self camp like self
funding her campaign and so that's another thing right like I cannot add
five hundred dollars to my own campaign a hundred thousand dollars two thousand
exactly right and so it was very interesting to be in that space
yeah and so I didn't lose that that general election it there was a lot of
feelings I felt like the people that I was closest with reached out it was like
hey like is there anything you need like how do I support you how do I work with
you like let's let's get something on like even you in April like you guys were
very supportive but then all those people where you thought were like all
behind you in all different communities you didn't feel the yeah it wasn't
like you didn't feel the love it was just cricket right and so I was like all
the excitement and so it was kind of disappointing but I am thankful for those
folks that were part of that and the way that just the way that things showed up
yeah just made me think differently yeah so I started moving in Madison a
little different yeah because then before I hadn't been in some of those
spaces right then I ran for the second campaign in 2021 unopposed and so I
was like okay so clearly there are people that are still in support right and so
I was on the board and I've been on the board now for three years and here I am
and here she is running again so y'all make sure I get out and vote for my
appearance and okay and Maya why tell us a little bit about why people should
vote for you like what's your platform what what are you standing on yeah so in my
first campaign my main focus was student excellence so we all know like
black children in Madison are not treated well we know that black children are
not learning well we have a large population of Latinx students whose data is
better than black students but they also have a larger population in our
district and black students and they have what you call those ASL work is that
what it is they have ESL yeah and ESL ESL you know what I mean but okay so they
have ESL so could you imagine I had this conversation with someone could you
imagine if black children had translators well you know we don't really talk
about the fact that there are a large number of black children in our
district who are actually are learning English as a second language well even
if it's not a second language black dialect is a second language right because
when we have when our kids have conversation and they'd be like man I know
none of that right and the teachers are like what do you mean you're not on that
are you threatening me girl I had a teacher in kindergarten tell me I couldn't
talk the way I did because my grandmother was from the deep south let's
put a pin in that and talk about what it would look like in black children had
translators yeah matter of fact if all of us had translators because thank God
I have white translators that go into spaces for me and they know they're my
white translators yeah because because misogyny works like if I say I believe
any quality and centered humanity like you only believe in black people what
that's not what I said but if I said a white person in the sand then they hear
what they're saying so we all need translators so we're gonna talk about my
theory why those numbers look a little different so again you're listening to
black convergence with your favorite talk show host that's me Brandy Grayson
everybody loves me and you're not even looking at me okay you're listening to
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all right you are back or we're back or we're all back
we are here on 92.7 FM it is your girl Brandy Grayson I am in the studios
with my girls Maya Pearson and April Kagea we're talking today about their
leadership their they're getting amped up for their run for reelection Maya is
running for the school board April is running for reelection for day and
county board of supervisors and our topic today is misogynor aka misogyny and
misogynor is really this this term that's framed to identify the
specific hatred dislike distrust and prejudice towards black women now as a
CEO and founder of a nonprofit organization that served those who are most
vulnerable and disenfranchised I get it from all directions and oftentimes our
programs if you ever hear about our programs not going forward or something
happening it's not because of we're not meeting deliverables it's not because
of you know something that we've done oftentimes is a personal issue people
have a personal issue with how I show up and how I matter fact how I'm
direct how articulate the needs of our people how I advocate for our people and
how we're like this doesn't make sense because people are used to be in
conversations and at the tables where people are bothered but they don't say
anything right and I'm not that kind of person if something doesn't feel right
or it doesn't work or fit or line with the integrity of our organization and you
want us to do it I'm not doing it and I'm gonna push back I'm gonna say that's
how you should right and I'm not calling stupid even I want to say it's stupid
but I be I be learning I be learning how to articulate things in a way that's
not so offensive but even when you show up trying to be more soft or more
understanding or compromising and using the words like and and well have we
thought about this let's think about the impact and the experience of those we
start people are bothered by the the the near just the the the fact that I
think I know something and often people say who do you think you are and I want
to say my name again is brandy right I mean I mean so and I wanted to have
you guys on to talk about some of that and I also want to get into discovery of
how that shows up inside our own culture right because of oftentimes we think
of white supremacy racism and the things that occur birth from it as this
black and white thing and it is not I keep telling people racism is not about
black and white white supremacy is not about black and white and when I say
right supremacy I'm not just talking about white people I'm talking about
everyone who has grown up in the context of Western idolization or beliefs or
indoctrination of our social constructs in a way right so most of the experiences
I have that are like devastating occurs from brown women white women and
by racial people so I wonder if you guys can like do you have I don't even have
specific questions I guess I could have started I could have prepared a little
different lean head specific questions but I guess off the top of my head do
you have do you have any like situations where you're like yeah I do see how
they show up different in spaces or where you're identifying where white
women or brown women or by racial folks are shown up different like you get a
different kind of I don't know resistance or kind of like this stain or
distrust or prejudice or is it just me and I could be making it up so am I
day job okay so like I mentioned I'm a CFO which is a you know finite
chief financial operator officer and recently added HR to that so okay
they pay you more okay does not talk about the business I get paid pretty well
I'm like I'm not about to ask for a chest of like you want my w2 okay so so I
do that I do accounting I do HR all of that right I've been there two years the
teachers are 98% white women yes they are
Brandy is a parent can attest yes they are and my job so since I do HR I do
payroll like I was saying I'm supposed to see those documents right this is
one one of many examples that I have unfortunately what they said in last
year so I process 401 I process everything for payroll right so 401k
deductions come out everyone's check that I process with our old system like
let's say Brandy you worked at Winger and you wanted to increase your
deductions from five not five hundred fifty dollars to two hundred dollars
a month right yeah you can go online and do that but you'll stop to let me know
so I can adjust your paycheck right right just taking out right so I got a call
from our um servicer and they're like hey this teacher increased their
deductions by like two hundred dollars three months ago but you haven't changed
in the system and I was like oh I didn't even know right so oh there's my
name right April was bothered that they forgot to put her name
I know I don't know my favorite producer I appreciate that I'm petty so so I
I reached out to the teacher and I was like hey I was like I didn't get the
information that you needed an increase in deductions she was like oh well
that's private information I didn't want to tell you that um I'm the one that
does your pay like I see everybody's paycheck like what what's private about it
I'm not understanding you literally see all your information all right
personal information not that she said it was like I said you you'll W2 right and I'm the one person in the
building who knows the tuition of every family like nobody else knows that one
that had a school but like one of two people and you didn't want to tell me that
you're increasing your so it's like things like that yeah a direction a direct
reflection of distrust yeah yeah you're and you being a problem or someone who
shouldn't know something right yeah it's always like you know like I don't have
the authority like you don't or not even just that it's that you don't know
what you're doing yeah you don't know what you're talking about right so
therefore I'm not going to trust you're gonna do it because of course you
don't know oh my god I am okay I'm I can't tell you all the details but let's just
say I have a contract with a a big known company in Madison and it has been
one of the worst experiences in my life I have never been so disrespected
disregarded deep value and I'm telling you we pay them almost close to
$200,000 to do their services yes it is ridiculous and so much so when it
first came the anti-blackness and the racism showed up in our
conversation I took like I'm a pretty honest person like and I'm not a kind of
person that's like you're racist and you suck it's more like hey this is like
you're what you just said is racist you know like that's not appropriate like
your pushback on my instructions to you the person I write you a check you
write me a check right and then the conversation they brought in the
partners or whatever and there's like we're really sorry we're learning we're
growing and girl I don't know how much y'all just don't know
Lori so part of it ended up being and I want to tell y'all so much I just got
to keep relations you know I was in that power trick in a power trick it but it
was so bad and it's only one person it's one white woman and it's a team
right but then the brown person that represents like is the boss of that team
like aligns with the white woman and never and she knows it like and she
and like she'll come to the meeting like well they told me you guys didn't do
this and then I say well we did do it and here's the proof and then she'll
look at them and say is that true and they say yes and then she'll just go
silent no accountability no kind of like and I mean so bad y'all I and but
that is what it looks like and then when I articulated to them this is that
this is what anti-blackness looks like how you assume that one that I'm a
problem or I'm trying to get over on you I'm trying to do something illegal
when it is your job as a person I pay to ensure that we're compliant and that
you figure out how we can fix stuff right that's your job right and I pay you a
lot of money and I pay a lot of money yeah you supposed to do the job regardless
of anything yeah and that goes to what you were starting to say before the break
about Beyonce yes so like what was the example in the movie I can't remember it
was like she you know Beyonce her shows are huge Norma's like she is 140
centralized like it's artistic like it's crazy like it takes a lot of manpower
a lot of everything and she wanted like a certain Mike or a certain monitor
and they're like well we can't do it and she can't do it she's a billionaire
right I could you you're going to do it but Beyonce is so soft right like I can
like I wish I knew her real life because I feel like she embodies her her
aggression and like all her all her feelings come out she nasty nice she
nasty nice and I think in real life she's really soft and very like because when
she's talking to people she's like that's not what I said and you can do it and
this is what I want you to do and Brandy's like you you're what I said like what
part of the conversation are you not understand but I've been working on being
softer and stuff but you know it takes a while to like unpack some of that but
like it is crazy the the the pushback and even like in fun raising like
urban triage is an organization that does the work we we do what we say we're
gonna do the impact stories are everywhere people be like oh we heard about
you schools are calling us left to write but soon as I asked someone a sponsor
an event like a gala that we had the cancer and redo no one sponsored that
gala but someone who doesn't produce any results can get a gala up and run
in one week and paid for right like how is that possible how's it that we do
the work reach thousands of people in power and not just do the work like
superficially like we literally are giving people to two to be leaders we're
changing people lies and that's not even good enough but you know what it is
unfortunately it's not about whether you're doing the work or not it's about
what your name is and who you're connected to and like it's it's crazy and then
like you said my like people show up like I got your back like when I ran for
all the person all these white folks show up like we're so excited these same
white folks is working in opposition of me and then after the campaign girl
you think I talked to any of them I bet you they were trying to talk to you
don't know they was that's what I'm telling you people disappeared they cut
because I didn't act in the way they wanted me to right like you know
progressive day like I refuse they're endorsing because I'm in a meeting and
they do some racist anti black stuff and then they make excuses and this same
person sits on the board today yeah what he's learning and growing that whole
a boy's gonna be a boy or white what no but why why do why do other people
black women are the only people who don't get gracious yes like we're
supposed to do all the things yeah we have to show up exceptionally we have to
carry the way to black men our children white women tears brown women who
want to like have a oppression Olympics with you when you're saying I had a
question I'm trying to I had to brown woman they said I'm brown too so that
means you can't be anti black or you can't support the racism of this white
woman that's part of the team like in the lack of accountability and
wellness and the lack of willingness to learn grow and clear it like because my
whole thing is excuse me I'm not mad that you're racist because we all
embody it my problem is when you have a problem with acknowledging it even
misogyny right when men have a problem of being accountable or aware of
their power their privilege right like let's at least acknowledge it because
it's somebody who holds privilege I could say yes I have privilege right yeah
I don't know yeah I've been talking y'all say something no I mean you you
might dropping over here I mean but I don't like to me I just feel like at the
end of the day it's not just good enough just yeah acknowledge it like we all
acknowledge our things yeah you know I teach my kids it's like you acknowledge
yeah whatever you've done whatever harm you've done yeah and we're gonna learn
from it and you're gonna actually take the steps to do something different and
you're gonna make action and you're gonna actually change it because that's
one of the biggest things like yeah I can acknowledge it we all acknowledge that
white supremacy exists yet who is actually taking the steps to do something and I
feel like a lot of times it's black women that have to then stand up for
ourselves or stand up for everybody else at one point the white woman sit next to
us that don't want to speak everybody I mean yeah the burden is on us and my
I don't know if you will you remember so I had started a blog why was gonna start
a blog yeah diary of a strong black woman I did your logo for that one too it took
a couple years so but the reason why I didn't publish it was because I was
having a conversation I believe it was with Maya but I'm not sure about the idea
of a strong black woman and why do we have to be strong yeah because I was
gonna say in the blog talk about you know being a newly single parent divorce
you know going through everything everything as a single woman and being
strong for my kids and myself but then I'm like wait why do we have to why does
it why do we have to be strong and when we're not and we get angry oh you can
judge that's a problem or when you when you desire to be soft vulnerable
taking care of and support it right you're not even a loud space for that so
why you just trying to be a cold digger you just trying to take everything like
it's like no like you're asking me like there was a post right I'm I'm tired
here we go right I need you to sit with me I need you to rub my back I need to
be taken care of but even in partnership and that's why I stopped saying like
single women and Mary women because a lot of Mary women care just as much
wearing yeah wait a single women and I learned that later like then you cater
into your partner because you rather not be single but you're still doing all
the work all the heavy lifting that's crazy and then they say well I'm gonna go
to a different woman outside of black the black race so that I could get what
what what it's like we've been a mommy since oh y'all okay our sponsors
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we are live at 92.7 FM you're listening to your girl branding Grayson on the
black conversion show we only got a few minutes left y'all this show has been
so live so dope I feel so like I don't know inspired just to be in
conversation with y'all today I can't remember what we left off on at break what
was we talking about oh we're just talking about uh funding money oh yeah yeah
yeah yeah we were talking about how people I don't need
it's not even paying for everything no no I was just saying
yeah yeah yeah like folks don't want to fund you people don't want to donate
and the but but then they want you to do the work and that is a perfect
example of misogyny and misogyny or which for people who are just tuning in
is this intersection of racism and sexism right and if you don't know what
intersectionality is please look it up the the the term was coined by
Kimberlay Crenshaw a black lady who's amazing so look up her work on feminism and
womanism and part of it you know what is another perfect example of misogyny
is the situation with Megan the style yes when she got shot by his name
what's his name Tori Land and something I don't speak his name yeah girl yes
I'm glad he got arrested and he imprisoned but everybody hated on her she became masculine a man
a liar this or that and then the campaign for say her name right because black women
whatever we say they don't believe right black women I've been raped I've been touched
he disrespected me oh no that just can't be true because in essence um and this is all coming
from what Dr. Joy Decoroy calls post-traumatic states and like this residue of what we've
embodied not just white people y'all black people embody it and then depending on your
proximity to whiteness it's compounded right which is why oftentimes by racial folks
have a hard time because rightfully so they're not black enough to be black and they're not white
enough to be white but oftentimes you're they're raised by white women and we are when you're
dependent on the environment that you're raising that's what you absorb so by racial folks who are
raised by black women are less likely to have some of the I don't know the I don't even know where
from the trauma or the the disconnect from the dissonance between like what the proximity of
whiteness and being right and then if you try to engage in a conversation it becomes you're the problem
oh I'm not black enough or you're this or you're racist like first of all that's not even what racism
means right and I wish that we could just come together build analysis and awareness and get a
deeper understanding of white supremacy and how it is embodied by us like I embody white supremacy
however I hated my dark skin I hated my new groy lips I hated my new groy nose which is why
some of us go out and bleach our skin because the world is always telling us we're too black you're
too much you're too aggressive you're you're too matter of fact and of a white woman shows up with
my personality they're like girl you a botan as dark what you confident girl you look exotic oh
you hot you are here trying to copy the lips there here and the booty the butt all of it and but
me showing up in my authenticness something's wrong with me you know you're a threat a threat or
I'm intimidating and I just had to I've been in therapy and y'all y'all gonna laugh because my
therapist is a white woman and I absolutely love her y'all have their last look her up she does
sacred rhythms is a name of her company it's not like cycle therapy is more semantic work
she calls her therapy integrated family systems where you look at the parts of you that show up
and it has been the most transformational experience but she would tell me like hey like
that script that you're saying is coming from someone else yeah right you're in for in
purity this idea of your own worthiness and that like even when I got a house I don't I don't
show it on Facebook I'm scared to talk about it right and I couldn't sleep for weeks because I'm like
I don't even want to invite people over right because people just they show up differently when
you're like when you own girl right so anyway I digress a little bit but but like what is your
experiences when it comes to misogyny like in your you you shared working at your at your company
but what are other examples of how it show up or other examples of how indirectly or directly
maybe it's your mom maybe it's other people around you where it showed up and you was like what is that
I mean there's been examples where more specifically black men where I felt it that part where
you know what you're talking about and they they may treat you like you don't
or like I get this weird thing I want to name them I want to name them but I'm not a girl
I'm not gonna be sure that city council's like urban triage is a small organization they know nothing
but we've served thousands of people but anyway I'm sorry I mean it's just you know when you think
about it though it's okay okay no it's just like but it's like you get it from like black men
and I mean you get it from other people but more specifically I think it hurts when you get it
from black men because you yourself you know our mother of a black boy yourself are is a sister of
black men exactly like you know people that I love right so it hurts a lot when you get it from
black men but there have been times where and like I was saying in Madison that I've specifically
gotten because I grew up in Madison and and people remind remember me as like the little girl yeah always
on the south side every like go on my grandma everywhere and so of course she doesn't know
when she's talking about growing up oh you know I have three teenage children I have my own career
I own my own home I like there are so many things it's like when people call me young and I'm like
you know my oldest 29 right right exactly I know I'm still like I know I'm 29 okay like but that
whole thing is just it's it's coupled with then the massage nor of like the hatred of black women
yes the just the black women and added even more when you're young yes girl when I was running for
office it was black people that showed up in front of my house it was black people that were showing
up at the city council fighting against our contracts it was it was black men who said I can't stand
you but you've never had a negative interaction with me you don't even know me right or say or any
interaction right right and if if something happens in your world who you gonna call but me
that's the crazy part like some people will stand against me and then be like man I just want to
acknowledge but can you help me no call Susan yeah because that's who you bat that's who you showed
up for right or then they'll be like oh I'm gonna support this person but I've never shown
and or you fake support me right and then I learned how to play the pilot's y'all y'all be seeing me y'all know
you got to yeah okay now we can be over so the show's over Nate that's just
so yeah yeah like I think we need like a two-hour show this is ridiculous we got three people we
gotta say I'm but we need more time okay y'all tune in next week maybe we'll do a part two I don't
because I feel like we need it more more time I mean y'all didn't even call in again but maybe
again next week I'm a big y'all and y'all might call in to join the conversation I ain't got to be
scared like we we love everybody and that would they say nice right you listening to the
black conversion show y'all or 92.7 FM with your girl Brandy Grayson and my special co-host
April Kageha get out and vote she's running for day and county board of supervisors and my girl
Maya Pearson she's running for the school board Madison district get out and vote I'll see y'all
next week peace love and hair grease bye y'all
