Lu Ann Bird is Nicole Otto. Nicole is a mental health counselor who works with children. In this episode, LuAnn and Nicole talked about some of the difficult realities young people face when it comes to challenges with mental health. 

There’s a great quote that they reference that’s actually come up more than once in this podcast series. It’s from Desmond Tutu and the quote is this:

“There comes a point where we need to stop just pulling people out of the river. We need to go upstream and find out why they’re falling in.”