There Goes Clarence And What Does Joe Have To Do?! (Hour 1)

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We're going to start off though, wow, this clearance Thomas story, that's a pro public

came out with yesterday, it's it's pretty amazing. It hasn't made me like him anymore.

I will say that is he is a human. He is a human and apparently a pretty happy human

since, okay, so if you didn't read this pro public article, essentially,

Clarence Thomas had been on the court for about a decade. He'd been on the Supreme Court for about

10 years and he was at some fancy getaway and called awakening, called awakening. Yes,

a fancy island resort in Sea Island, Georgia, he was hundreds of thousand dollars in debt

and he was complaining to a Republican about, you know, if I don't get a raise,

I might resign and there might be other conservative justices who will resign.

And so there were efforts to give the Supreme's a raise, which never actually happened.

They make what $173,000 a year, which is about $300,000 right now. Yeah, that doesn't sound

too bad to me. I could spend that money easily. Do you think you could get by on that?

I think I could. I really do. If you budget, oh, yeah, definitely with some good budgeting.

I use that quick and software. So shortly after this conversation that Clarence Thomas had with

this Republican lawmaker, he started getting presseys. He started getting gifts from people like

Texas billionaire Harlan Crowe. You just, you know what? Honestly, for Harlan Crowe, he gets this.

Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Evil. Oh, get you Batman.

It's a boy. Thomas Silver, Republican representative Cliff Sterns, again, that

you need to look into a bill to raise the salaries of the members of the Supreme Court.

As we agreed, Sterns wrote to Clarence Thomas, as we agreed, it is worth a lot to Americans

to have the Constitution properly interpreted. I bet there's a lot of people who could do it for

a hundred seventy three grand. So again, they ultimately did not give justices the major raise

that Clarence Thomas had been pushing for. They also did not lift a ban on justices,

accepting speaking fees, which he had also sought. And that's something you and I talked about

off the year a little bit yesterday, Greg, about whether or not the Supreme should be able to do that.

I honestly, I think they should be as long as the speech isn't waiting into judicial territory

that will make it murky. But here's the thing is, even if they go to a school, say they go to

Harvard to speak, and let's say five years down the road, Harvard's involved in the case. They

were accused themselves. I don't think speaking for money should not be allowed. I, you know, they

allow Congressmen can do it. I don't know. Just can do it. President's can do it. And they have

strict ways of marking that money and making sure it's not being used in the variously. So

you know, this whole thing of like we keep them insulated so they can do their job. Well,

we found that there's ways around that. Oh, yeah. Big time. 844-967-2789-844-967 party.

I'm curious. Should our justices be allowed to get speaking fees? Because the one thing that's

pointed out in this pro-publica article essentially, the justices usually spend the most of the

majority of their lives on the courts, right? Yeah. A long time. A very, very, very long time. So

when their term is over, it's not like they can become a lobbyist or, you know, jump to some other

very lucrative position. So the speaking fees, I guess I could see that. I don't think that would

be terrible. But I think here's the thing too is if, you know, let's say a justice gets on the

court at the age of, you know, in their 40s and they spend 20, 30 years, 60, 70s are retired.

There's plenty of things they can do to make money. They can go on speaking engagements. They

can write books. They can enjoy. They can do the, there are jobs out there for them. It's just

they choose to stay on until they're in their 80s or they're dead. There is that. Yeah.

At the time of his conversation, again, back in 2000, Clarence Thomas was making $173,600 annually.

But was already hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. That also raises questions to me when we're

talking about judicial temperament and the ability to interpret the Constitution or

and yet you're really bad with money. Well, what? One of the things they talked about was the fact

that even though they were in debt, they bought a house back in like the 90s that was

over $500,000. It was $522,000. You're in debt because you're not

fiscally responsible, which by the way is supposed to be one of the cornerstones of your party.

But when you're two people, and this is before the kids showed up, you're two people,

why do you need a $523,000 house if you are in debt? Why do you need that? You don't. And I'm not

saying I don't care, but it's also I'm not feeling I'm not oh my gosh, I feel so bad for him.

You're not feeling bad for Clarence, Thomas. I never have. I never will.

I would agree with you. Yeah. It's just remarkable to me that nothing has happened,

even with all the revelations about Harlan Crow buying Clarence, Thomas and his mama house.

Yeah. You know, giving him a $267,000 RV and the loan is just magically forgiven.

And people paying for his, his, their adopted sons, education at private schools. And he's not going

to like Catholic Memorial or, you know, Marquette High School. He's probably going to like these

even exeter type schools that are like $50,000, $60,000 a year and their prep schools where

this, you know, these are high-faluten schools where these kids are going to go on to the Ivy

leagues and influence laws and things like that. So yeah, it's oopsie. He forgot to tell us.

Yeah. And again, there have been, I guess the only fallout that came from this was that what,

they wrote up their own code of ethics. They wrote up their own judicial code of ethics. And yet,

there is no enforcement mechanism as far as punishment. Jane, the, the justice has got together

this year. All nine of them. All nine of them. I say all nine of them because three of you,

I'm supremely, and that's a pun, supremely disappointed in when you said, no, thank you on

the oversight. We can take care of this ourselves. Well, you can't, you don't. And I'm sorry,

there needs to be more oversight. There needs to be more like you have rules. Let's stick to them.

There's an idea. Yeah. Yeah. There's an idea. And I think too with the current view of the

Supreme Court in this country, this is not helping their reputation. All of these revelations

are not helping any of them. And as you pointed out, we've got some Democrats now on the Supreme

Court. And they all signed on to like, oh, no, we're good. Yeah. We're all good. No, we don't need

your help. So sorry, no, there's nobody home. We gave it the office goodbye. This has been working

well for us. And certainly it's been working really well for Clarence Thomas since 2000. So the

last 23 years. And probably before that too, I mean, come on, let's, let's be honest. It's,

it's a pretty sweet gig if you can get it. And, and the whole, you know, if,

this whole, if you don't raise our pay, someone's going to resign, goodbye.

Good bye. Yes. But then again, they would, they would lose their, they would have less than

the majority on the court. You want to keep that majority, Greg? That's, that's what's important.

Yeah. That's what's important. 844-967-2789-844-96 party. I wasn't sure if you're going to say,

I saw it because I got a, I got a profile of you of you now and you were about to and I didn't

want to interrupt you. But here we go party. Clarence Thomas. This is all good. Should they be able to

get speaking gigs? If they can't manage their money, I find that more troubling than just about

anything that he's that bad with money. I don't think not being able to manage your money

should preclude you from a job unless your job is saying finance. But it certainly like,

if you gave me more of a hard scrabble story about, you know, like, you know, his, his past,

his history and it was like, I was working three jobs and going to law school and it was me and

Ginny and we lived in a two bedroom house and blah blah blah. Oh, that sucks. We all go to this

stuff. We've all been through, we've all looked at our bank account and we've been broke. We've been

hard up for money. We've had to ask for help. Yes. But not a bit of, sorry, do I feel when you're

buying over a half a million dollar home and you have money and an RV? RV isn't even like the

sixth vehicle you buy when you have money. Are you kidding me? Like get a car, get a truck,

get a sports car, get a motorcycle, get a fast spot. A fast spot. Oh, totally, totally. Oh, yeah,

I can see clearance on a fast spot. Ciao. Ciao. Ciao. Hello. 844-967-2789. Karina is on the phone. Good

morning, Karina. How are you feeling about just this Thomas this morning? I feel disgusting because

there is always a choice. Guys, you work for a radio and you come from the different places

and you end up on the show today. A man went through a law school. He had a choice to go to the

private company, work for 15 years, become a partner, have a lot of money. He chose to be

a servant for the government. Can you, what he's going for? Thank you so much, Karina.

Thank you, Karina. We are up against the wall here. If you want to chime in on this clearance, Thomas

skating on good, good ice. Good thick ice. 844-967-2789. Stay close. This is Asgos, Wisconsin. I'm

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always do every Tuesday from 10.30 to 11 o'clock. Right now, we're talking about clearance. Thomas

Big pro-publica article yesterday explaining how in the early 2000s, after clearance had been on

the bench of the Supreme Court for about 10 years, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt

complained to a Republican lawmaker. He ran into it. Some fancy, shmancy resort that you know,

if I don't get a raise, I'm going to, I'm going to resign. And there might be another conservative

justice who will resign. And then your eyes are going to have problems. So he wanted an increase in

pay. He wanted them to be able to legitimately get a speaking fees. None of that actually happened.

But there were payoffs of being made some very lavish gifts that clearance Thomas has received.

So if you want to chime in, 844-967-2789, Thomas on the line from O'Clayer, good morning, Tom. Thanks for joining us,

goes Wisconsin.

Hi, I say sorry. If I'm following you correct, I just clarify this for me. You guys don't think

he should be eligible for a job anymore because he received payments that were forgiven loans

that were forgiven. Is that correct? I know I'm saying that these are questions. I think these are

kinds of questionable things. You don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, I agree with

that, too. I don't care. In honestly, I wouldn't care if it was a senator or a state senator or a

you know, congressman or, you know, governor or honestly, a president. I don't think that, you know,

$5 million in debt forgiven is something we should overlook. I don't care if it's honestly those

$20,000, $25,000 or $100,000 or whatnot. So how do you fix that?

Well, I think transparency would probably fix some things.

And, and at least, at least they should, at least when you're receiving gifts of this,

of this magnitude, Tom, they should be reported on your filings. And I, it's my understanding that

at least many of these things, Clarence Thomas did not, did not put in his official filings

that he was accepting this, these large, these large sums. That seems problematic.

And neither did our president. So, you know, on that level, it's not just one form of government.

I mean, we have to fix a whole form of government. I mean, it's not, it's not just, you know,

justice can, you know, take in, take in money, take in rights. I mean, it's, it's, you know,

we'll never fix, we'll never fix our government system because lobbyists, you know, we,

we, we pay them, but honestly, do we pay them that well? You know, and you're, you'll never hear

real obvious because the government will never vote out lobbyists because they take, they give

too much money. I mean, you're not, you wouldn't vote down the raise for yourself, you know,

not, you want to expect that out of a congressman or a senator either.

Oh, for sure. And the other thing too, Tom, they're never going to get rid of lobbyists because

half the time when they leave governments, they become lobbyists.

So, the only way, the only way to prevent that, the only way that, you know, you're calling

one person out, I mean, you have to call it the entire government. It's not just, you know,

parents' time. I said, that's every one of them. Nine minutes sit on that court has taken money.

You know, and every one of our congressmen has taken money. Every one of our senators have

taken money. I mean, our, our presidents are vice presidents.

Wouldn't it be, Tom, Tom, wouldn't it be a good thing to get rid of citizens united then where,

where money is speech?

It, it is. Is it money is speech? Money is money's power. And then that's how you take that away.

From them, you know, until you, you can find a way to, to, you know, get that out of our system.

Our system will be corrupt.

By getting rid of citizens united, the, of the system would be corrupt.

Yeah, the system is corrupt because we pay them. I mean, we, and we allow it to happen.

Like, we sit there and, and then we, we just look the other way every day is, you know, all of our,

and this, and we're public in our democratic problem. I mean, this is a government problem.

Okay, Tom, you sit there and look the other way.

No, I, I hear you. It's a, we got to shine some light on some of this stuff, right? That's why,

that's why we're talking about it. Whether or not, you know, this is going to affect change or not

remains to be seen. But I appreciate your call, Tom. Have a great day. Thank you. 844-967-2789-844-96.

Part of you. And I do, I think we should get rid of citizens united.

I do too. And it, but it also goes back the idea of, yes, there's corruption, but we're talking

about Clarence Thomas right now. And, you know, it's, look, one thing at a time, one thing at a time.

Texture from the 312 listening here on WAUK, Karina's rights, if Clarence Thomas wanted more money,

he should have gone into private practice. This tells me he, me, have been a bad attorney.

I mean, that's the thing is he, his, his pedigree, he doesn't have like the great, like a lot of

these people come from like, however, and, you know, I know he went to good schools, but he also

worked in the government for a long time too. And is it, was it a thing of like, he'll vote for us,

he'll vote with us. That's, that's, that's a company man right there. Let's give him a shot.

Well, and certainly Clarence Thomas came from a challenge background, right? He didn't come

from a background of privilege. Yeah. And, and, and, and made something of himself, but again,

I just, I find this, like we're talking about such large sums of money. And as Tom

from Eau Claire said to, it's a problem all across the board. It is a problem all across the board.

And it wouldn't it be nice if they were not all getting paid off. Yeah.

What a wonderful, what a wonderful world it would be. What a wonderful world it would be if

there just wasn't more oversight that was strictly enforced. And the people, you know,

me and you who pay their salaries weren't the ones who were being, we're being protected first.

That'd be nice. It would be nice. That would be very,

all what a world it would be. Well, if wishes were, I don't know, there's a phrase there that I

can't, that I, if wishes were dishes or something like that. All right. That's not exactly how that

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this. I did not see this. You sent this to me. This meet the press and they talk to a bunch of

male young male voters in Dane County, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So as a meet the press segment on

on Wisconsin and on voters who young young voters in Madison who were maybe not super enthused

about Joe Biden and his reelection prospects and just his tenure in general. You know,

but I think it was also interesting that they, you know, they sat down and talked with a number

of these young men and as even as they expressed some discontent with Biden, you know, many of the

people that they interviewed there also didn't want to vote for Trump either. So it was it was sounded

like more of a question of whether these voters who, again, as you mentioned, we're all all men

in that in that round table that they had a little bit of trepidation about voting for Biden,

but maybe we're not going to vote for Trump either. And I think, you know, this is kind of the

moment we're in right now. I think people are, you know, that there is some discontent with Biden.

I think there are some voters on the left who are upset about his handling of the war in Israel

and I think that is, and I think just generally the country is so polarized that approval ratings

are never going to be high for presidents in this day and age. They weren't high for Trump.

They weren't particularly good for Obama and I think this is just kind of the nature of where we are

and I think it's just, it's just a very interesting segment looking a year out, but I think,

you know, perhaps if they talk to some women, perhaps if they talk to a more diverse group of people

that they could have got a response that was perhaps a little bit different. You know, I know

we, they were so often during the Trump years that the national media loved to go to every

diner in the Midwest to interview people and say, are you still voting for Trump? Yes, we are.

Okay. But I just don't think that type of coverage has been there for the Biden voters in the same

way. So I think it's going to be, it's going to be a frustrating media cycle. I think, and it's

good, but it's going to be important for the Biden campaign, for Democrats, for liberal voices to

be out there, you know, talking about the good things that have happened under this administration.

And then, you know, Joe Biden is coming to Milwaukee tomorrow. It's going to be interesting to

see, you know, what that, that visit is going to be like, where he's going to end up going, what

the focus of that will be, what message he wants to convey to voters in Milwaukee and in Wisconsin,

in this crucial swing state where we're, you know, we're now less than a year away from that,

from that election day. And we're going to be one of the, one of the five or six states that's

going to decide the election. So here we go. We're, we're getting into it now. It's getting real.

Beper, steal yourselves, steal yourselves, because it's going to be a long year.

The one thing I think, though Dan, that stood out to me from that, meet the press clip a little

bit that I was able to watch. All these guys said, you know, I can't think of one issue on which I

don't have a problem with Biden. They don't, they didn't, so what are these issues? I didn't,

I couldn't find an identifying, what is it? Is it the economy? Is it the, you know, the war

with Hamas in Israel? Is it the support for Ukraine? What are their issues that they're so unhappy with?

Yeah, I think one of them that they expressed was on climate change and look, of course,

there's many things we could be doing. But the inflation reduction act included the largest

investment in green and green and renewable energy in the nation's history. So, you know, there's

one example. I think it's, you know, it's, it's difficult at times for, for Democrats to get these

messages across because some of the, some of the work can be so detailed and nuanced. It doesn't

often fit in the type of sound bite. It doesn't often, you know, having the largest investment in

infrastructure since the Eisenhower administration is, is, is an important and great thing. The

bipartisan infrastructure law, it's, it's a little bit, not, it doesn't exactly fit into the

snappy sound bite that you might see. So, I think there's going to be some challenges to, to

understanding that message and, and really, you know, connecting with people where we have,

you know, a situation in the economy where there's a lot of indicators going in the right direction

now, you know, 5% GDP growth, the stock market at an all-time high. But that, that's not the full picture

of the economy. There's still people struggling. But so, so I think it's going to be, it's going to

be a difficult way to, to kind of thread that needle for the Biden administration going forward

on that reelection campaign. But I was disappointed by the interviewer and not pushing these guys on,

so what is the issue? Tell me these issues. Be specific. Show me your worksheet.

Yeah, well, show me, show me your work these guys on, we need to get these guys on Asgos Wisconsin.

We need to get an air intense interview here to really find out what these guys are upset about.

Well, again, though, it's just, it's this, this, these generalized, I just, I don't know,

I don't feel good and I don't like it. That's, that's not an answer.

We got a, we got a text from the 608 saying much of the time people say they're not happy with Biden

because that's what they're supposed to say. And I think that's true because we've talked about

that with the economy. People think the economy is terrible because people just always think the

economy is terrible because it's never good for them. So they're just like, yeah, Biden sucks.

Why? I don't know. He just does. Well, and it's funny that you mentioned, Dan, that

president Biden is going to be here tomorrow, as you pointed out. And the stock market hit record

highs. And the former president predicted that the stock market was going to crash. Should Joe Biden

be elected president? And that hasn't actually happened. Yeah. A lot of people were predicting a

recession this year. They said, Oh, you know, the chance of a, I think there was like a Bloomberg

article a year ago saying the chance of recession in 2023 was near 100%. Here we are at the end of 2023

and we haven't had a recession. You know, maybe it's, maybe what's happening here is that a lot of

these economic indicators are out front. And maybe there's like a lagging effect where you don't

see the effects for, for everyday people for that economy right away. You know, it's hard to say.

It's hard to say. It's interesting. It's going to be the economic message, the Bidenomics

message, I think is going to be one of the biggest challenges that the, that the administration

faces. But I think, you know, we look at these, there's so often we look at these polls and

poll numbers in swing states. We look at, you know, the approval ratings of the president. And,

and I think that there's, we can get so lost in the noise there, but you have to understand that,

you know, the bigger picture at play. And I think there was one instance of that that I want to

point out in a New York Times poll that was released this morning, they had one poll of registered

voters that leaned towards Trump. And they had another poll of likely voters that leaned towards

Biden. So I think, you know, I've had political insiders tell me never pay attention to the

registered voter sample. Only look at the likely voters because then you get the people who are

for sure going to be headed to the polls, people who are, who are reliable voters. And I think one

of the things that's happened over the past several years is there's been kind of a realignment

that has occurred in the Trump era where you have some more of the white working class

male voters in particular who have gravitated more to the Republican Party in recent years.

Those aren't as reliable of, of turnout voters. And I think on the Democratic side,

you have more college educated people and more women. And a lot of those voters are, you know,

they, those are people who show up in every election, every primary, every time that there's a

spring election, school boards, stuff like that. You have a lot more people who have been kind of

becoming more Democratic voters. So I think that's going to be an interesting thing to see in the

polling too because so much of what we've seen so far is that registered voter sample. And if we

get into the likely voters, get into where, where people are going to be turning out, planning to

vote, I think that, that may change the narrative a little bit as well too. If you're just joining us,

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area on sale. It's so Wisconsin. Yeah. That's right. It's, it's such a victory. Talking about, I

meet the press piece that was done talking to some voters in Dane County, particularly young

male voters. And they're not particularly happy with the way things are and voters in general. I

find it interesting, Dan, that so registered voters just because they're registered don't necessarily

vote. That's right. That's right. They may have registered years ago. And, and you know,

there's some people that there's many reasons why people might not end up voting. But in these

voters samples that you sometimes get slightly different results when you pull registered voters

versus likely voters. And you know, I've, I wrote one of the things that I do with the recombobulation

areas. I break down every new market at university law school poll. So I have had the opportunity to

really dig in deep and look at the differences that you see with the registered voter sample

versus the likely voter sample. And I think one of the things that used to be the case, I don't

really, it still might be to a certain extent, but it used to be saying that the higher turnout

election, the more likely a Democrat is to win. Because you have people who, you know, might not be

as engaged in the political process might be from a more working class background harder to get to

the polls might have some, some other complicating reasons where it might be more difficult to vote.

That has changed a little bit over in recent years, where I think you have, you know,

when Trump was on the ballot in 2020 that was like the highest turnout for Republicans that

that we had ever seen in this state. And so I think it's going to be, it's going to be interesting

to watch whether there will be the same type of enthusiasm among Republican voters for Trump

in his third time on a presidential ballot as there were, you know, on the first time when he won

in 2016. Well, and I'm just, and I'm sure meet the press listens to the show all the time.

Just for ideas. Hey, meet the press. Talk to some young women next time. Just a thought.

I'm just throwing it out there. They might have slightly different opinions than the bunch of

young men that you just talked to one Sunday. So just possible. You know, the gender gap in Wisconsin

politics. That's one of those things that I see in every Marquette University Law School,

Paul, too. It's just enormous. It's just a huge difference from, you know, I think the, I think,

you know, looking back at like the Tony Evers and Ron Johnson splits, you know, it was the approval

rating for Tony Evers is very high among women and very, and just the same way you have very low

approval rating among women for Ron Johnson. So the gender gap in Wisconsin politics

is huge and is going to be one of those stories to watch. So whether you have some,

some bros from Madison who are, you know, maybe not so super enthused about Biden right now,

might have a little bit of a different conversation when you talk to some women.

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I think it will be a far different conversation if you talk to some women.

And I think, unfortunately, to put the entire burden of the outcome of the next election and

young women, sorry, it's yours. You're going to have to run with it and you're going to have to,

you're going to have to come out in big, big numbers. It would be interesting though to see

which women they talk to because they're talking to white women. They'll might get the same answers

the bros based on the turnout of voters for Trump, the past two election cycles.

But one of the things though that I think we have to consider is that the Dobbs decision

was after the 2020 election and reelection sense. The women, the turnout among women

is, you know, across the board, all demographics among women has been pretty significant.

So I think Democrats have overperformed on that topic in so many ways. And I think that's

going to be a big one going in the next year as well. I think so too. And I think women are going

to keep watching this because we see what's going on in Ohio now where the voters came out in full

force. And now Ohio Republicans just want to go around that because they didn't get the answer

that they wanted. So yeah, women are going to be watching. When we return, Ron Johnson did what?

Dan Schaefer is here with the Recombobulation Area. Stay close. You're listening to Asgo's

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Greg Bach is running the board today. And as always on Tuesdays and Schaefer author of the award

winning Recombobulation Area joins us. Let's talk about our senior senator Ron Johnson, Dan Schaefer.

Let's talk about our senior senator. Well, so often when we when we see news from Tammy Baldwin,

it's like, you know, she's helping out with something in a big project in Milwaukee or getting

energy costs down or doing something across the state. But bring in some infrastructure back to

Wisconsin. That's the type of news we typically see with her. But with Ron Johnson, not the case.

And I think a pretty interesting significant moment happened last Friday with our senior senator.

He actually admitted that he was slightly wrong. Quote slightly wrong on something. He got

cornered on CNN and an interview with Caitlin Collins last week in a primetime interview asking

about the fake electors and Johnson was going on and on saying, Oh, alternate slates of electors.

It happens all the time. My Democrat. Oh, they're good put forth all the time. This is what Democrats do

all the time. You're just being media bias blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, Caitlin Collins fact checked

him on that. And it was just honestly a masterclass in how to respond to this type of misinformation and

lies that we hear from from public officials like Ron Johnson. And in an interview with CBS 58

with AJ Bidepore last week, he admitted saying that what he said was quote, slightly wrong. Oh,

so, you know, release the dove smart down there. Ron Johnson actually admitting that he was wrong

and lying about something. Well, he didn't he didn't say he lied. He said he was slightly wrong.

That's right. Yeah. But I think he also said what he said was largely true. Which I don't know if

that's a thing. But you know, it's it's it's it's pretty ridiculous that what Ron Johnson continues to

try to say about this fake electors plot about his role in it, downplaying it and you know,

it downplaying his role in it, downplaying the action overall. And now three years later,

almost three years later after after January 6, 2021, he's still trying to twist

the facts on this over and over and over again. And again, it's it's quite the contrast

to what we see from from our other Senator in Wisconsin. You know, I always think it's interesting.

Like here in Milwaukee, we'll get this these press releases a lot from, you know, from from David

Crowley or from Cavalier Johnson saying like, hey, federal funds are coming back for you know,

this this river cleanup project or this infrastructure project or this bridge or whatever.

And it's always Tammy Baldwin when we hear these types of things. It's never ever ever ever ever ever

Ron Johnson. Seriously, I think it's such a huge such a huge contrast. People who want to say that

the two parties are the same should look at the two senators in the state of Wisconsin because

they couldn't be more different. Jane, what was the name of the thing that Ron Johnson was like

praising the other day? It was like a whack job like conspiracy theory newspaper or the epoch time.

Yeah, that's right. The epoch time. He because he's on I follow him on Twitter. And yes, he was

praising the good honest honest journalism from the epoch times. I thought my head was going to

explode. It's you know, it's the time of time of year where we all like try to express our appreciation

and love and gratitude to our loved ones, our friends and family, those close to us. And also

the the epoch times apparently as one does. Yes. And well, and as as as you were saying, Dan,

I see Ron Johnson on my Twitter feed all the time. He's always on newsmax or Fox or somewhere.

And he never does anything. It's all about looking backwards. It's about co he's still talking

about COVID for heaven sakes. Still talking about vaccines and Hunter Biden. Yes, and vaccines

and Hunter Biden. And what has he actually ever accomplished for the people of Wisconsin?

One actual thing that he's done and brought here. It's it's a mystery. It's not it's you know,

he he's that's the thing with Johnson is that he's not accomplished a whole lot. He's been in

Congress for more than 12 years. And he does not have he's probably the most significant

accomplishment that he's had was negotiating of more of even more of a tax break for for for

himself and his wealthy donors in that in the Trump tax break, which I think Trump was even

talking about it for the past weekend, saying telling, you know, those wealthy donors, hey,

we're going to take care of you. We're going to we're going to get taxes. We're going to make

those permanent. Uh, so, you know, he's he's just a he's a cartoon villain of a senator who is

flying back and forth from DC in a private jet to give things away to the wealthiest in the country.

And he's flying back and forth to his place in Florida. Oh, yeah, that's great.

844-967-2789 Jack from Mirror Mac. Good morning, Jack. Real quickly. We just got a couple of

minutes left. What did you want to say? Uh, sure. Um, okay. I'm a scientist and uh, slightly

wrong is if you do a calculation on some kind of natural phenomenon and the answer ends up on

your calculation being a million and you do the measurements and the measurement shows that you

are off in the unit's place. That's slightly wrong. Um, calling a flat out lie about the reason

for the fraudulent electric scheme is not slightly wrong. That is a flat out lie. Well,

it's all I have to say this morning. I appreciate that, Jack. Thank you so very much and thank

you for listening and really major props to Caitlin Collins because we don't see enough journalists

who are prepared to fact check our politicians in real time on the air and when they do it after

the fact it's too late, right? Cause the lie is out there.

Dan Schaffer is our guest from the Recombobulation area. You can subscribe. You can give it as a gift

for Christmas and you should. We are not going to see you next Tuesday, Dan, because we are going to

be off. Oh, that's right. Yes. Yes. So thank you so very much. As always, for joining and thank you

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