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This is As Goes Wisconsin with Kristen Brott.
Welcome to As Goes Wisconsin, thank you so very much for joining us today.
We're coming to you live from our studio in downtown Waukeshaw Greg Bach with me in
the studio.
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Special guest right now, very excited to have him along, Dan Lentz, joined law forward
in 2021, bringing with him over a decade of litigation experience.
He has litigated on behalf of ballot access in Wisconsin, calling for accountability for
election sabotage and ensuring the fair administration of our election system.
Dan Lentz, thank you so much for joining us.
Good morning.
I'm so happy to be here.
Well, big news, obviously, with the election of Justice Janet Protosewitz in April,
and very shortly after that, law forward brought a case before the Supreme Court about
Jerry Mandered maps in Wisconsin.
Tell us a little bit about the background of this Dan if you can.
Yeah, I'd be happy to.
So in August of 23, law forward, along with our co-console at the Fairlect, I'm sorry,
at the Campaign Legal Center and Stafford Rosenbaum in the Harvard Law School and Arnold
and Porter, brought a case on behalf of 19 individual voters, folks from all over the
state with all sorts of different backgrounds, who believed that their right to vote had
been impaired by our current legislative maps.
We brought a case asking the Supreme Court to take original jurisdiction, which is something
they can do.
And in October, the court took the case up on two specific issues, one, whether the current
legislative maps violate our Constitution's requirement that districts be contiguous,
and two, whether the current maps violate the separation of powers because of how they
are put in place.
So we had briefing and argument, and on November 21, there was oral argument in the Supreme
Court, and now we're waiting for a decision from the court on what's going to come next.
Dan, what does contiguous mean?
Explain what that actually means, what the state Constitution says, and then how these
maps are actually drawn.
Sure.
So what the state Constitution says is that our legislative districts, both our assembly
and Senate districts, are to be made up of contiguous territory.
And what the Supreme Court told us that meant way back in 1892 was that they can't have
to attach pieces.
That contiguous basically means what it says that districts are supposed to be whole.
You shouldn't have to leave your legislative district to get to another part of it.
And our maps don't follow that rule.
Right now, 75 of our districts, 54 assembly districts and 21 Senate districts have these
types of detached territories or blobs that aren't part of the whole district.
And that causes all sorts of problems.
And our is not the way that we expect our legislative districts to look, and not the
way that legislative districts look throughout the rest of the country.
One thing that's always stuck out to me is the term packing and cracking.
So can you explain that, please?
What does packing and cracking voters mean?
Sure.
So whenever you're trying to put together a political gerrymandor, whenever you're trying
to draw maps to advantage one party, what you want to do is diminish the voting power of
the other party.
And you can do that two ways, cracking and packing, cracking means dividing up voters from
the other party into districts where they'll never win, right?
So you'd have like a 45% Democratic district by pulling those voters based on where they
live and where they voted into Republican districts or into the districts of the other party.
Packing is the opposite.
So if you have districts where you're not going to be able to crack the voters and make
it a district that advantages your party, you want to fit as many voters into these other
districts as you can so that you can increase your power across other districts.
And that's called packing.
And that's why you see, you know, in places like Dane County or Racine, these districts
that are way the other direction, you know, they're 85, 95, 5% Democratic.
Those are packed districts.
Dan Lenz is our guest.
If you're just joining us, he is from law forward.
And we're talking about the case that they have brought before the Wisconsin Supreme Court
about the Jerry Mander in Wisconsin.
Dan, one of the things that we saw in the opening arguments or the opening statements
was a justice Bradley interrupting and raising a question of why now, why aren't you,
why are you doing this now, not years ago?
On another show, someone brought up a very good point, it's like, we can do, because
we can, you have the ability to do this.
It's why, you know, they didn't bring up the dobs case to the Supreme Court until, you
know, just recently, if you will, in the past couple of years, when they thought they
would have a more sympathy court, can you speak on that because it was just, it was
very surprising to me to see her just interrupt within seven seconds of him opening.
And just that, that kind of almost a tell of like, this is a problem.
Yeah, thanks Greg.
So, so justice Rebecca Bradley has made it clear that she does not feel that this was
properly brought.
Our 19 petitioners were not part of the previous redistricting litigation.
They were in part of the Whitford case.
They are folks who are bringing constitutional claims that have not been resolved by this
court and need to be resolved.
These are issues that the court did not adjudicate back in 2021 and 2022 when it was addressing
these maps in the first instance or putting them in place, I should say.
These are important constitutional questions.
These are clear constitutional questions.
And as my co counsel said, these, we don't think our arguments that need to cut by, you
know, break down by ideological view.
These are clear constitutional issues.
This is what the Supreme Court has told us they want to hear is what does our Constitution
mean.
And in this instance, we think it's very clear.
It means that these districts need to be whole.
And who should be the one that will, that will decide the new lines?
What would, what would your, your, your litigants like to see who should take control of this?
So what we've suggested to the court is that they take control of it by taking submissions
from the parties and then using an expert, a referee that they would appoint, that would
be independent of the parties who can advise them on, on map making issues, who'd review
submissions from the parties and say, okay, you know, this one does better on this score.
This one does better on this score.
This is how you should think about these maps.
That's one option available to the court.
We suggested some names that they could use for that, that purpose.
There are some other options, both that the court has suggested and the parties have suggested
for how they could put maps in place.
But the important thing is that they need to put maps in place before 2024 and there's
plenty of time for them to do so.
And even if that happens though, Dan, there is no guarantee that Democrats are going to
sweep Wisconsin in all races and, you know, and that will just be the way going forward
forever and ever and ever.
No, quite, quite the contrary.
Our petitioners are not trying to put in place a democratic gerrymandor.
We don't think that's appropriate.
But we're asking the court to do as it considers new maps and however it puts them in place
is to make, is to use maps that are responsive to the will of the people.
And that means sometimes Democrats will win and sometimes Republicans will win.
That maps that actually reflect the will of the people, which we know changes over time,
is a basic expectation of our democracy.
And what don't Wisconsinites like?
We don't like cheaters.
That's up.
That's something that Jane says.
I poke fun, but I do love the, it's a, it's a true sentiment.
She brings up when we talk about this matter is that at the end of the day, Wisconsin being
what it is, which is a 50, 50 purple state that the people want fair maps, fair elections,
because we don't respect her like those who cheat to get into office or anywhere, really.
I think we just want a fair fight.
I think most Wisconsin residents just want it to be fair and not gerrymandered one way
or the other.
I will, I will, I will die on this hill that Wisconsinites do not respect people who
cheat, except unless, maybe if they're the cheaters, throw that little caveat in there.
So Dan, what is going to be the next thing going forward now?
Is it just a matter of waiting or what happens next?
Well, we expect a decision from the court.
We don't know when that will be that will tell us whether the current maps are constitutional
or not.
And if they're not, what the court plans to do moving forward both in terms of the process
and the criteria that they'll use in selecting any remedial plan.
So we should hopefully see that decision soon, and then that'll lay out the next couple
of months.
But again, plenty of time to get that done before maps need to be in place for the August
and it's it.
And November election.
And is there anything that people who are listening can do if they're concerned about
this?
And they would like to get involved?
Is it too late to, I don't know, take some action, take some, something that's actually
doable?
Well, it is never too late to get involved in the fair and apps fight.
I'm happy to say there's a lot that needs to be done.
Both in terms of this litigation and the work we're doing, you can go to law4.org and learn
more about it.
And then also get involved in the fair and apps fight more generally.
I mean, one thing that that we need in this state is redistricting reform, reform going
forward, both statutory and constitutional reform that permits or that avoids this problem
in 2030 when we're going to be faced with a new census to make sure that we can have
fair maps each time that that we have to redistrict a new.
And I'm curious how you respond to critics who say the maps are fine.
It's all good.
Or just wait.
Yeah.
Why can't we wait?
Well, yeah, why can't we drag this out a little bit longer?
What's your response to that, then?
Well, I mean, one thing we shouldn't wait for the constitutional remedy.
I mean, this is a clear constitutional violation and no other instances when you tell someone,
well, don't worry about it.
You'll get your day, you know, six years from now, the mass violate the constitution,
the entity to be fixed.
And the other thing I would say is that these maps are not working for the state of Wisconsin.
I think that's been clear since they were put in place in 2011 and then and only modified
slightly.
They are not working for our state.
They're not working for the issues that people care about anything from gun control to
abortion rights to the environment to you name it.
These maps and the way that they've distorted our legislature have caused all sorts of problems.
And essentially, if the reps are redrawn, at least it's my understanding, then our elected
officials will feel a little bit more pressure to actually respond to the wants and needs
of their constituents because they won't be in such safe districts anymore.
That certainly our hope and our expectation is that the maps that that would the court
would put in place would just make the legislatures from what legislators from whatever party
more responsive to the voters and their districts and to the will of the people of the state.
Absolutely.
Dan Lentz from law forward, thank you so very much for joining us, Dan.
Keep us posted and let us know how things are going.
You're always welcome to join us on as goes Wisconsin.
Well, thank you so much for having me.
Have a great day.
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When we return garbage in the Mississippi River, this is Asgos, Wisconsin, across the Civic
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Dan Lentz was just here from law forward, talking about the case before and now the Wisconsin
Supreme Court about our gerrymandered maps coming up in just a little bit.
I want to find out what your definition of a nap is critically important things happening
on Asgos, Wisconsin.
We talk about the real issues here in Asgos, Wisconsin, facing Wisconsin, I'd snapping.
And this is tied into something that's happening at UW Madison, but we started talking
about naps and what constitutes naps.
So that is coming up at 1130 right now, though, an article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
that I find very, very distressing and I know we're aware of it and people are cognizant
of it.
But I just don't think we are appreciative of just how messy we are as people and guard
in our garbage.
I mean, there's such a tone, but I find it exceptionally distressing when they do studies
about just how much trash ends up in our water.
And that's the water we drink from.
Yeah.
It's kind of important folks.
Yes.
I don't disagree with you.
Between 2021 and 2022 volunteers from Saint Paul, the Quad Cities in Iowa and Illinois
in St. Louis, Missouri, Rosedale, Mississippi, and Baton Rouge, Louisiana, logged all the
garbage they found in the Mississippi River, they found 88 million litter, 80,000 litter
items were logged in that in that one year, that data collection period, 80,000 litter items.
And that's only in a couple of communities along the Mississippi River.
That's not all the communities along the river.
And we need to keep in mind that when you see a piece of garbage on the streets or a piece
of paper or a plastic water bottle, and it gets washed into a storm drain, that goes
into our water systems, granted there are filtration systems, but there are things that
still get through.
Yeah.
That includes mattresses and through the through the drains, but if things get washed
into waterways, yeah, if there's enough runoff, things get washed directly into rivers,
people will throw their garbage alongside river banks.
Absolutely.
I mean, yes.
That happens all the time.
That is the stuff that is going unfiltered through the Mississippi River, all the way down
into the Gulf of Mexico.
It's bad.
It's very bad.
It's very bad.
It's 80,000 bad.
The 10 most commonly found items, nine, the drumroll or something.
I don't, this isn't funny.
It's just go for top 10, 9800 food wrappers.
Okay.
McDonald's wrappers, Burger King, whatever.
For 6,700 beverage bottles, soda bottles, water bottles, 5,700 foam fragments.
Bum fragments.
Bum fragments.
So I'm assuming Styrofoam containers and some of them box something like it just can't
get them.
Styrofoam food containers and things like that, 4200 hard plastic fragments.
Okay.
And don't forget too that the bottle that might go in as an entire bottle by the time
it gets down, maybe to the mouth of the Mississippi, it breaks down into little microplastics.
And these little microplastics end up in fish.
And we catch fish.
And we catch fish and eat fish over 4200 paper and cardboard items.
But what, so with those, no, once again, it's a problem, you need to mitigate it, take
care of it, love our waterways and our land.
It doesn't paper and cardboard after a while it becomes so soft, so wet, it just eventually
dissolves.
It's my understanding.
And if I'm wrong, please let me know 844-967-2789.
I believe that is accurate.
And it doesn't leave behind like plastics, do with the microplastics, I might be wrong.
And I'm not saying throw your cardboard paper out the window because it's fine.
I'm just saying, like the plastics, yes, that's a problem.
All those things that cannot break down the non-biodegradable or slow to biodegrade,
those are the things we need to be looking after.
So.
Yeah, definitely.
And the number one item, the 10, among the 10 most commonly found items in the Mississippi
River, the number one item, human fingers, no, over 11,000 cigarette butts in my head.
I did not think you're going to say, I thought you're going to say something else, but that
makes sense.
Of course, that makes sense.
Yeah.
This is not something I am proud of by any stretch of the imagination.
I am a social pariah.
I'm a smoker.
Yeah, I've been smoking for too long.
I know I should stop smoking, okay, I'm still smoking.
It makes me crazy when people throw cigarette butts out the window or throw cigarette butts
on the ground or throw put, carry it with you until you find a garbage can.
I don't care what you do with it.
We're already social pariahs as smokers.
You just make us look worse.
Stop making us look worse.
I pick up after your sounds, you're pity's sake.
Never mind your lungs.
Don't be a don't be a litterer.
Well, but again, it's just personal response, let's personal responsible and pick up our
own stuff.
I completely agree with you.
I completely agree with you.
I, you know, as a on again, off again smoker, I am very, very guilty of throwing out the
window.
I am.
Don't look at me like that.
Now that, hey, I'm admitting something here.
I'm trying to find some comfort and support and telling you that make better strides, yes.
And no, it's just the look, people on the livestream, if you can see the look, don't
you have empty soda cans in your car more than I care to admit?
And wouldn't that be a receptacle for something that you may be considering throwing out
the window?
Well, also, just like you put it in there, it's all like smoky and it says, okay, I make
this promise as someone who is an off again, on again, smoker.
I'm really saying that because it's just hard for me to say I'm a smoker because that's
not fun.
I'm ashamed.
I'm ashamed.
I will do better.
Excellent.
Real quickly.
Karina from Milwaukee is joining us.
Hey, Karina.
What do you want to say?
Hi, guys.
I'm really quick.
I'm a smoker too.
Same thing.
Hate butts.
Hate.
Smell of smoke.
Hate when the people are not.
I think it's a personal.
I don't like when people treat me like I have a disease.
I don't like what's going to suck at you if you're going to pass by me.
I make sure that I don't smell like the ash tray.
I make sure that my hands doesn't smell or anything like that.
But this is what I do.
So be respectful to me too.
That's one.
And the two, you know, I think Walter said that the test for society is that all the
humanity for society is how they treat their children in a whole Florida situation.
And then going off the kids at schools, they cares and morality is just showing us where the
schools are going to and how they trying to reflect their.
I'll go in it.
Karina, we're up against the clock here.
Thank you so very much for calling when we return.
What is your definition of a nap?
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Moving on.
Two naps.
Oh, I love them.
I think this is going to be a very controversial segment.
I hope so.
I'm hoping tons of calls, tax.
I hope someone writes an old, tiny letter like to whom it may concern on the subject of napping.
Regarding your discussion on naps on on naps.
I wrote a book about it.
Thank you for the Wisconsin State Journal.
I found this in there today.
UW Madison over the summer installed three nap pods at the campus recreation center.
That's right.
Repeat that again.
Three nap pods, which are apparently highly popular at the Bucky Recreation Center at the UW Madison campus.
There are three of these pods.
They're first come, first serve.
Can't reserve.
You can't reserve them.
But apparently they're very busy between one and three PM most weekdays.
Nap pods.
This is not a new thing.
There are lots of these all over at college campuses all over the place.
We only have three at UW Madison.
There are some 1,000 colleges that already have them across the country.
So essentially a walk down a little hallway.
You get into a dimly lit room with a comforting light.
The sign reads rejuvenate.
And then the door leads to nap pods where three students at the time can relax or get some shut eye.
They love this in Florida.
I guess they do.
There is a starry, nickel speckled night and night speckled ceiling that you can look up.
They kind of look like dentist chairs with a with a cap.
Okay.
And I am very pro nap.
I am personally pro nap.
The users according to this article in the Wisconsin State Journal.
Users are only supposed to use the pods for 20 minutes.
Oh, yeah.
Or the length of time studies have shown a person needs to rejuvenate during a mid afternoon nap.
And that is where I have a problem.
Okay.
That's where you have a problem.
Well, okay.
There's a couple of problems.
First of all, my biggest problem.
And this is about as old man as I'm going to get probably today.
No, it's not true at all.
But I get pretty old man right now.
Those are my tax dollars paying for nap pods.
Aren't they universe?
Well, yes, university dollars.
Okay.
Also tuition.
Yeah.
I mean, it's.
I just.
Okay.
So apart from the fact that like three on a campus of how many.
Right.
That's crazy.
That's pretty little.
What is your what is what's your big problem, Jamie?
Okay.
Yeah.
I think they should be individual rooms.
I know I would not be able to go to sleep and actually fall asleep.
If there are two other people in there and the door is closed and I don't know these people.
Fair enough.
That would make.
I just don't think I'd be able to relax enough.
Let me ask you a question.
In your college day age, like 18 to 22, would you have been able to do that?
Like were you a little more like, yeah, whatever.
I'm just getting a nap.
Like get a roommate.
I'm going to get a nap.
They're going to watch TV on the couch.
It's different though.
It's with strangers.
Okay.
That's all.
That would make me feel very vulnerable.
Yeah.
You know, that's true.
That would make me feel very, very vulnerable.
That's true.
That's true.
So that's just me.
The other thing is 20 minutes is not a nap.
20 minutes is slow blinking.
20 minutes does not count.
And here we have reached the true problem.
It's not the pods.
It's not anything.
It's you don't like the definition in the article of a nap.
Please folks, don't get her started on what constitutes milk.
If they say, if they say 20 minutes is what you need, I mean, they're experts.
They study this stuff.
That doesn't mean there's not room for other data.
Your data.
Dr.
Dr.
Jane Mattenair.
No, not just me.
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How long is a nap?
How long is your nap?
How long is your nap?
How long is your nap?
See.
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I would say that if we're just looking for a recharge, I would say the 15 to 30 minutes.
Probably seems about right.
If you just need to just take a little shut eye, but once you go over a certain point,
like I feel like once you go over an hour, you're just sleeping.
Well, you're not napping.
You're not just getting a cat nap.
You're not just like, I just need to lay my head down.
My wife does this all the time.
She just says all the time.
I'm going to lay my head down for 15 minutes, like, see a 90.
Because this is what happens.
She falls it.
I'm not going to wake her up.
Because she needs to rest.
And it's a nap.
But that's not 90 minutes is not a nap.
If you have a child, if you have a small child at home, which I have none,
and well, well, ask Kristen about this when she joins us on Wednesday at 1033,
if you have a small child and you were putting said small child down for a nap,
yeah, you would not consider 15 minutes success.
We are not talking about tiny children.
They required different, they required different amounts of sleep throughout the day.
I'm going to, you can't use a baby as a comparison point here.
We're talking about adults here.
And the experts have said 15, 20, 30 minutes, that's a nice rejuvenating nap.
Beyond that.
Because you said two hours.
When I was getting up, when I was getting up at three o'clock in the morning,
I would, I would come home and I would sleep for two hours.
And that was my nap.
And see, I see, I can tell you the same thing.
Getting up at four o'clock to do up north news radio available six to eight a.m.
And this is immediate radio.
I don't know the app, but I would take a nap midday.
I would take, but I also don't consider it a nap.
I'm just, to me, it's a continuation of the sleep.
Because it's not, it just doesn't qualify as a nap if it goes over a certain amount of time.
You're just pre-sleeping.
You're deranged.
I deranged.
Oh, I see.
Just because you got the reins of this show lady doesn't mean anyone who just agrees with you is deranged.
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Sorry.
The reason I didn't get a text from the 608.
Listen on WM DX, best phrase ever, quote unquote, slow blinking.
That's see, 15 minutes.
That is not 15 minutes is not a nap.
That's slow blinking.
That's not a, that's not saying they, they agree with you.
They're just saying they like your word choices.
I'm going to take that as confirmation.
Okay.
Now from DeForest is on the line.
Good morning, Al.
The great nap wars.
What, what do you think?
Well, first of all, you're absolutely correct.
15 minutes, nothing more than slow blinking.
Thank you, Al.
Number two.
Number two.
I, um, way back I used to work at a place you pointed at.
My buddy and I, and we got done working.
He'd go home and take a nap.
But what he would do is he'd go home and take an underwear nap.
Uh, that's where he should play down to his underwear.
That's some of the bed.
See for half an hour, 45 minutes, maybe an hour.
But he'd be so much more repressed because he was truly relaxed instead of being in your street clothes, your socks, on your feet and stuff.
I take underwear naps.
And if it ain't an hour, it's not a nap.
Thank you, Al.
Yes.
Okay.
First of all, I like the idea of underwear nap.
I'm just going to call it sleeping though, because I don't want to tell anyone I'm taking an underwear nap.
That will get me, uh, in trouble at HR.
And also, it's, it, you could, yes.
An hour nap.
Fine.
But beyond that, it's sleeping.
Thank you.
Two hours is not napping.
Yes, it is.
If it would, if it's a small child, that would be a nap.
Once again, we're talking about two different things here.
But what age does the nap rule change?
My guess is somewhere around the area we become an adult, like 18 or maybe when your brains fully developed, I don't know.
But my point is you can't make the comparison of an 18 to 22 year old and napping needs or a person of your age or my age or even Calvin's age comparing to a child and a baby.
Thank you, Al, for calling in and agreeing with me because I'm right.
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What is your definition of a nap?
How long does a nap last?
This is the hot topic we're covering right now.
Troy from Mount Horib is on the line.
Good morning, Troy.
Thank you so much for joining us, goes Wisconsin.
Hey, I hope you guys are doing well today.
We are.
Thank you.
How about yourself?
Yeah, I'm doing great.
When I started driving over the road,
the first company I drove with told us,
if you're, if you start head bobbing,
pull over,
study show, you think a 20 minute nap, you'll be great.
It actually worked.
I thought they were nuts too,
but it actually worked.
The first time I ever had the head bob,
I found a place I could pull over.
I pulled over.
I set my alarm for a half an hour.
I went into the back of the truck and
slept for that half, you know,
20 minutes to half an hour by the time I got to sleep.
And it was great afterwards.
That wasn't so that was long enough.
That was the 20 to 30 minutes that you actually felt refreshed
because I'm always afraid, Troy,
that I'm only going to feel more tired
because I didn't sleep quite long enough.
I thought that same thing, but like I said,
I went to the rest of the day.
I never didn't head bob the rest of the time.
You know, we drive 10, 12 hours.
Yeah.
It was crazy how well it worked.
Are you still driving over the road?
No, I'm local now.
Nice.
Well, thank you for doing that.
That's a tough, that's a tough job.
And I know that thank you for calling, Troy.
As the son of a truck driver, I say thank you.
Yeah, absolutely.
So many things move across this country by truck.
And that's actually a really big thing to talk about as well
because, you know, I have referred to it before in the past,
but John Oliver did a very interesting deep dive into it.
Oh, yes.
Trucking.
Yes.
And what was his name again with Jack?
Troy.
It was Troy who just called for Mount Horib.
Those companies aren't doing that anymore.
They're telling you to push through.
They're telling you to take pills.
They're telling you to drink caffeine.
They're telling you to go outside.
Push through it.
Get some cold air on your face.
Yeah.
And it's dangerous.
I mean, I drive real, I get up real early sometimes.
Yeah.
I drive real late.
And I know it's like for that head bob.
And I got to take a deep breath, play some music, sing to the music,
get myself going.
Yeah.
That's dangerous.
But yeah, I mean, see, and that's the, I have the, I have the problem
where if I take a nap for, if I take that two hours, sleep, I wake up.
And I'm like groggy.
And it takes me another half an hour to get my bearing straight.
So like for me, an hour or less that I'm good.
Because if I don't get that nap in sometimes,
oh, it's a cranky, cranky.
Yeah.
Look out.
967-2789-844-96 party.
What is your definition of a nap?
How long should it last?
I want to share this text from Andrew from Verona.
Uh, the next news story from UW is going to be nap chairs removed
because of underwear napping incidents.
We'll find out if that happens.
This is as goes Wisconsin, stay close across the civic media radio network.
This is at the zone.
Just the day I swear I'm not doing anything.
Nothing at all.
Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo.
Nothing at all.
Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo.
Tomorrow I wake up, do some P90x.
We the really nice girl, have some really nice sex.
And she's gonna scream, oh, this is great.
And we, I, this is great.
Yeah.
I might mess around and get my college degree.
I bet my old man will be so proud of me.
But sorry, Bob, you just have to wait.
Oh, yes, I said it.
I said it.
I said it because I can't.
Today I don't feel like doing anything.
I just wanna lay in my bed.
Don't feel like drinking up my bones.
Leave a message at the phone.
Just the day I swear I'm not doing anything.
No, I ain't gonna comb my hair.
I ain't going anywhere.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'll just struck in my birthday suit and let everything hang loose.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, today I don't feel like doing anything.
I just wanna lay in my bed.
Don't feel like drinking up my bones.
So leave a message at the phone.
Just the day I swear I'm not doing anything.
Nothing at all.
Nothing at all.
Nothing at all.
Nothing at all.
I'm gonna be mean to you.
And welcome to Asco's Wisconsin, Jane McNair,
and for Kristen Brieg, Greg Bach with me in studio.
Calvin on the board, what was that bumper music there, Calvin?
That was called Take a Nap by Robin Johns.
I've never heard of it before.
Right.
New favorite.
New favorite.
We're talking about napping.
This came from an article in the Wisconsin State Journal.
UW Madison has three nap pods where students can go and take a nap.
It's supposed to be limited to 20 minutes.
I maintain that a nap under an hour is nearly slow blinking.
Doesn't qualify as a nap.
So we're taking your calls in your text on how long is your nap at 844-967-2789?
Well, I just want to see the headlines says Wisconsin woman
drag kicking and screaming out of UW Madison nap pods going,
I ain't no slow blinker.
I get an hour.
I get an hour.
Mark from the sack has been waiting for your impatiently.
Good morning, Mark.
How you doing?
Doing, doing great.
And I don't know if there's a time.
I mean, I take free control.
I'm retired now, so I can take a few little laps and I want to.
Forgot to take a nap up my tree stands sometimes.
I'm nice to secure up there in the stand and it's all washed down.
I'm washed down and I forgot my sleeping bag type suit up there.
You know, it's nice and comfy warm, so.
Making me tired, Mark.
And listen to the birds sing.
And it just, it's refreshing.
Sometimes it's just like, you know, 5-10 minutes is enough to just refresh you.
I mean, that, that, I think that's what human bodies were designed to do.
I mean, that, you know, we weren't designed to work at, you know,
set at a desk for, you know, $8 a day or working for $8 a day.
Right.
Right.
You know, burst of activity and then, you know, it just relax.
I mean, that, you know, just say, and I think it's, I don't know,
that you actually, you know, like I remember when I was in college,
that we just, you know, that, that the student union or something like that.
It was a culture, you just kind of set one to a corner and connect or a corner of the culture
and just kind of let your head nod down and take a little nap.
My dad, my dad, I was called to the snooze.
He was going to take a snooze.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A little snooze.
My dad says the same thing.
He was a, he was a mortician and so he worked some really odd hours.
Thank you so much for calling, Mark.
And, you know, Mark has called before and talked about his tree stand.
I want to just hang around with Mark and have like a tree stand next to his tree stand.
You got, you got the same thing.
No, wait, I think there's lots going on up there and we can hang a bird feeder
and then we can nap together and it'll be fun.
Text from the 608 W listening W R C E, Richland Center.
This is Robert or Maureen to let us know that research indicates power naps
of 10 to 30 minutes with optimal times of 20 minutes can leave you refreshed
without waking groggy as often happens with longer naps.
Oh, this is Robert.
Thank you, Robert.
Robert from Richland Center.
All things happen.
All things start in Richland Center.
Absolutely.
844-967-2789-844-96.
Partying.
How long does your nap last?
Our friend and colleague Maggie Don of the Maggie Don show across the network Monday
through Thursday from 6 to 7 p.m.
Good morning, Maggie.
How you doing?
I'm doing great.
I love this topic.
So much fun.
So, yeah, I was one of those college students in when I was in grad school and law school.
I would literally fall asleep in study carols, like almost anywhere where I stopped moving
for more than five minutes.
I was knocking off.
Like a sleep pod.
Are you kidding?
It sounds amazing.
I'm also a huge fan of naps.
And for people that either have disrupted sleep or have weird sleep hours or trouble
sleeping, boy, would it be nice to have that?
I mean, I used to, when I was working at the law firm, you know, you'd be pulling like 80
hour work weeks.
I tell my legal assistant, I'm going to put my head down on my desk for 15 minutes.
Please come wake me up.
Because I'd be so groggy.
So I'm one of those weird people that can sleep almost anywhere.
But I think it's great they've got these.
As long as like Don't hang keep hanging going on in the sleep pod.
Well, exactly.
And they're washing them.
Yes, I was thinking about the, you know, like a total germaphobe OCD.
So I was like, what, what is the cleaning routine here?
Is there like a wipe down after every thing?
Like what's happening?
Well, I don't think I, I like like why are our caller Troy said he, or someone else earlier
said, you call it an underwear nap.
I'm assuming they're not allowing underwear naps in the sleep pod.
Hey, man.
Don't infringe on my right to sleep too, man.
I gotta get fresh in my undies.
Yeah.
So that would be, that would be a big issue.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Maggie, 20 minutes works for you at 20 minute nap and you're good to go and you're refreshed.
It depends on like how tired I am.
If I had to get up at 3 a.m. to do a radio show, I'd be knocking off for two hours too.
No judgment there at all.
But basically it was like catches catch cans for me when I, especially when I was in grad school in law school.
Because you'd be slamming in like so many hours of studying and reading.
It was like, hey, if I can get 15 minutes, I will take it.
Yeah.
I would imagine kids sort of overstaying their pod welcome.
Absolutely.
You don't want, you know, fist.
Yeah.
Fisticuffs doesn't really go with the whole Zen rejuvenating vibe.
Exactly.
I hope people are self-policing well, right?
I just, I just, my concern Maggie about my dad could do the same thing.
He could fall asleep anywhere.
He would be, we would go to the mall.
And he would be waiting for my mom to finish shopping and a loud mall with Christmas music going and he'd put his head back and he'd be snoring in 10 minutes.
Didn't you ever, if you put your head down in your desk, though, my biggest concern would be that I was going to wake up in a pool of drool.
Thankfully, God bless me with not a blink of an eye, but also to not drool when doing so.
So that was fortunate, but I had colleagues that would sort of move things out of the way and like just drool away because the need for sleep was so bananas.
Yeah.
I think the law firms would have like caught room where lawyers would just go to like.
Collapse bad things, bad things and food so they got rid of those.
Maggie Don, thank you so very much for joining us.
Make sure you catch Maggie show.
She is brilliant every Monday through Thursday from six to seven p.m. here on the civic media radio network.
I got a couple of other comments we wanted to get to real quickly from the nine to all listening in Madison on W MDX.
I took a nap after lunch yesterday and then I woke up at seven p.m.
Yeah, I was totally confused because it was completely dark.
That happened me once my sister woke up and said, mom's got burgers. I'm like for breakfast.
She goes, no, it's six p.m. It's still Tuesday.
Thank you. So very much for joining us today.
I want to thank Dan Lenz from law forward Greg Bach, Calvin and you for texting, listening and calling.
I hope you find some joy today and you have the chance to share it.
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