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Party.
Alan, how are you?
We haven't seen you in a while.
I'm glad to be here.
I'm OK, I'm OK.
Good, great, great to see you.
The reason we wanted to have you on is because of this bipartisan plan moving its way through
the legislature that would exempt teachers from having to pass the foundations of reading
test before going into the classroom so they could get licensed without demonstrating they
can effectively teach children the science of reading.
Now, you know a lot more about this than I do.
So I'm curious as to whether or not you think this is a good idea or not.
Well, sometimes I doubt I know much about it at all, but I'll try.
Is this a good idea?
That's a complicated question.
The history of Fort, as it's called the Foundations of Reading Test, is very interesting.
In short, Massachusetts, starting in the mid-90s, did a number of things aimed at improving
performance of students in reading, put in a high school graduation test, and they began
testing teachers to see if they had the knowledge of how to teach the material they were supposed
to be teaching in their classrooms.
And it was quite successful.
Reading scores and math scores shot up.
Massachusetts went to the top of the nation in short order within a decade.
And when it came to what's the main measure of these things, which is called the National
Assessment of Educational Progress, in the meantime, Wisconsin was sitting there not
making any gains to this day.
It's now been 30 years almost.
Wisconsin really hasn't seen any gains in reading.
So in the early 2010s, I think it was officially in 2014, Wisconsin adopted the test that
Massachusetts had come up with so that reading teachers had, and any teacher who was teaching
reading to kids had to show they had some knowledge of the subject.
I think if you talk to a lot of teachers, they'll tell you they came out of college
with teaching degrees and hadn't been taught two things.
One is how to teach a specific subject, and the other was how to manage a classroom.
In Massachusetts, they were really serious about using this test to determine whether
teachers were ready.
Frankly, Wisconsin was never that serious about it.
The institutions of higher education immediately began, most of them figuring out how they
could get around making changes in their programs and what were loopholes in this.
In general, there just wasn't much pressure to change.
And a lot of pressure to figure out how to get around this, which is what happened.
A lot of loopholes opened up.
There were particular problems.
There was a high failure rate for candidates for teaching.
There was a disproportionate failure rate for minorities, and I remember the then superintendent
of public education, a guy by the name of Tony Evers, telling me six, seven years ago,
well, we've got to get these teachers in the classroom, we want to diversify the teaching
force.
Well, they didn't really do anything to like fix this.
So now we're at a point where the failure rates are high, we need lots of teachers,
schools are short.
So let's just get rid of this.
And my feeling is, well, OK, but wait, what about our teachers qualified to teach reading
to kids when reading scores are so bad?
Now, there's one important addition.
Wisconsin has a new reading law, which was passed in July, signed by the governor in July,
so five months ago.
And that law requires all teachers to take different training.
It doesn't specify exactly what, but there's a couple kinds that are particularly popular
and much more stressing of phonics as it's called and some of the sounding out words.
So maybe that will offset the failure of Ford.
But the biggest thing about Ford is it didn't work and Wisconsin was never really that serious
about using it as a tool to improve.
And so getting rid of it probably won't change much because it didn't prove much in the first place.
Ellen Borsig.
I'm not going to answer for you, but that's great.
That's exactly what we needed.
Absolutely.
Ellen Borsig is our guest.
He's a longtime education reporter for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
And we're talking about this bipartisan measure that is working its way through the state legislature
that would allow Wisconsin Elementary School teachers to get licensed without passing this Ford test,
which is to make sure that they know how to teach how to read.
Because for an old person like me, I'm trying to remember back to when I learned how to read.
But there is a science to it.
It's not like kids just pick this up.
Many kids do pick it up.
Let's say 60, 70% of kids, you could put them in a closet and they'd walk out as decent readers.
It's that other 30%, which tend to be concentrated, but not entirely in low income and minority school districts.
There's kids in rich districts who are doing poorly.
Overall, Wisconsin has a real reading crisis.
We've read it for many years.
The scores for black kids in Wisconsin are the worst in the nation.
The gap between white kids and black kids is the worst in the nation.
And even apart from breaking things out by race, a third of the kids in the state read below basic, which is not good.
The new test scores that just came out in the last few weeks and they were no improvement.
The pandemic set things back, but there was a huge problem before the pandemic.
So this isn't news.
What's new is trying to change things around it, which Fort certainly didn't do.
And maybe the science of reading law will with its emphasis on teaching kids basics of good reading practice.
Do you think too, Ellen, that are we just as parents, are we just not reading to our kids as much as we used to?
Because that was so formative for me.
Having my mother read to me, having my mother take me to the library, even my dad, you know, those special moments where you get to sit on his lap and he's, you know, by reading you a book.
I think that's critically important to instill a love of reading in kids.
We certainly live in a less book oriented world than when you or I or any of us grew up.
You know, everyone's on screens and the social media and so on.
Text messaging, which is not really a good way to learn how to read.
No, they're not typing words.
No, exactly.
And I'm all in favor of parents reading to their kids. I did to my kids. I read to my grandkids now.
And it's very sweet and it's very special. It isn't actually very big factor in teaching kids to read.
There's a guy at the University of Wisconsin Madison named Mark Seidenberg, who's one of the leading experts and how the brain processes reading things.
And a bit of a contrarian. And one of the things he says, I'm all in favor of parents reading to kids. It actually isn't a way of teaching reading.
It's a way of bonding. It's a way of maybe building that love of of reading and of books and of being together, but it isn't really teaching reading.
So teaching reading is a skill.
It's a specialized piece of knowledge. It's difficult. It's complex for many kids. It's formidable to learn.
And it requires knowledge, which is something for it was supposed to increase and didn't. And maybe the new will increase. They're going to try.
It's it just seems kind of backwards. And I understand the need to get more teachers into the classroom. But if they are not prepared to teach these subjects,
nothing is going to get better. We have a text from the five four one. Why does it feel like some people would rather get rid of education requirements altogether, as long as they have somewhere to send their kids for six hours a day.
Right.
I'm afraid that's a good question.
I wish I wish it was off base but there.
I don't know.
Do we live in a culture, and I'm talking about, maybe even globally, but especially nationwide that really prizes schools and education and giving kids the things they need academically, socially, emotionally,
constructive atmospheres that gives them the, do we really prize putting the best and brightest teachers in front of our kids in hopes that they'll be the best and brightest. And frankly, that's a
not not a question with a really reassuring answer.
No, it really isn't when I think back to act 10 and the way that our teachers in Wisconsin were demonized and made out to be evil people who are who are glorified babysitters was I still can't wrap my head around that.
I have a question and please forgive me if this sounds very, very ignorant, but so the state loosening restrictions on regulations isn't something where it's not new.
In my old job as a barber, I saw that happen, but one of the things I see leaders constantly talking about is how the school is failing the schools are failing.
We need to broaden school choice. We need to get more money into school choice programs. How about instead of so why it doesn't make sense to me that if you think the schools are failing so hard that you would then loosen the restrictions to make it easier to then.
I would say teach less but not do the best you can. If anything, it almost seems like the regulation should be tightened. So we're creating the best teachers. It's like you're setting it up to fail so you can put up this thing saying school choice is the only way to see the schools.
They just they can teach people how to read. It just seems like a really horrible.
I don't want to go conspiracy theory, but it seems like it almost seems like a game.
Well, I agree. It's sort of a game and it's got 1000 moving parts. So one of them is you need someone in every classroom. So if you're short of teachers, which Wisconsin is chronically and in certain areas, especially certain subjects, special education, math, science,
things like that. You need you need bodies. So one way to get more bodies is to lower the standards and you say oh you qualify you have a pulse.
Yeah.
And that does put someone in the classroom. If you raise the bar too high and say you have to be a Harvard graduate to teach. There's not enough Harvard graduates out there.
So it's like I said there's 1000 moving parts.
It's interesting to see the school type choice subject kind of works into this, but it's but it's bigger than that because it's all the public school. Absolutely. Alan Borsig, thank you so very much for joining us.
It will be interesting to see what happens with this. It is a bipartisan measure. So it will keep an eye on it and hopefully you can you can join us further down the road when as we see what what happens with us.
Always glad to be here and joy talking about you.
Thank you so much, Alan. Stay with us. You're listening to As Goes Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Good morning. Welcome to As Goes Wisconsin. Jane McNair in for Kristen Bride. Calvin's on the board. Greg Bach with me in studio and you can always call and or text at 844-967-2789.
If you're watching on the live stream on Facebook, YouTube or Twitter, you can leave a comment there as well. Alan Borsig was just here.
He's a long time education reporter for the Journal Sentinel, and we were talking about a new bipartisan measure going through the Madison right now that would make elementary school teachers what could get licensed without demonstrating they can effectively teach kids the science of reading.
This is this Fort exam that Alan was talking about. And again, we do have a crisis. We need more teachers in the classrooms. At the same time, we have a reading crisis in the state.
So whether or not this is a great idea, I'm not exactly sure about that. 844-967-2789. Susan is joining us. Good morning, Susan.
Good morning. How are you doing today?
Good. Thank you. How about yourself?
Oh, good. I was just calling because I have some experience with not teaching, but just with kids in general, I read to all my kids.
My mom read to us every night. She would sit before lunch in bed. She read a book, you know, a chapter in a book to us.
And I think actually the experts are a little bit off on this because I do think it does create a love for the written word, which is what you want your children to have.
And for me, when I go to a bookstore, it's like I'm in this candy shop. But anyway, today I think it's more difficult because kids are not allowed to read what they want to read.
So I think children will read if you let them read what they want to read because then they don't feel like they have to trust your book that they're not interested in.
And I think that's the biggest takeaway that I have is that instead of putting a book in front of the kids and saying, you have to read this, if they would rather read a comic book or something else, I think it's better than not reading it all.
And so I guess I look at it like it's really helpful to figure out what the kids like to do and then engage them in those kinds of books instead of saying, everyone's going to read this book today.
You know, and because I think that's part of the problem is kids don't enjoy some of the subject matter that they're given to read.
So if you can read something you'd like, then you're going to go for it and read more things. So I think a little bit that's one of the things, and I don't think they should fast-track education at all.
I think teachers should be held to certain standards because if you can't teach children properly, it's not going to be helpful for anybody just to say, we have more teachers.
The biggest thing is that we've grown teachers out of the state, and I have a very good friend who's a teacher, my sister's a teacher, and she's a special ed teacher.
And it's a lot of hard work. They invest a lot of time and money and money in their children that they teach, and people are not willing to put that out.
We pay our politicians more than we pay our teachers.
Absolutely. In so many ways, Susan, we have our priorities backwards, right?
Who are the highest paid people in our society? Celebrities, athletes, politicians, and CEOs.
Instead of our nurses, instead of our teachers, instead of our firefighters and police officers, and it's distressing.
And I agree with you too, Susan, about reading to your kids just to develop that love of books because there are a whole bunch of adults who still can't read.
And that has a very detrimental effect on the rest of your life. You have to be able to read.
Thank you so much, Susan, for calling. I really appreciate it. 844-967-2789, 844-967.
Party.
All right, Greg Bonk. You watched part of the football games today.
I did. Where's my medal?
By now, football is not necessarily your favorite sport. You're a big baseball fan.
I am.
But the Packers did win, squeaked it out, 23-20 over the LA Chargers.
Unfortunately, Aaron Jones and Emmanuel Wilson had to be taken off the field. What were your takeaways from that game?
I mean, when I got, when I started watching the game in the third period, quarter, quarter, sorry, it's on hockey.
Quarter.
In the third quarter. Yeah. I was like, I was like, the score is very low,
but the Packers, I believe, are winning at that time 13 to 10.
And I went to, I went to a brewery with a friend, what the TV was showing it.
And the next time I looked, it was, the game was almost over and it was 23 to 20.
I'm like, where did I miss everything happening?
But I, I mean, especially this season wins a win.
I mean, I feel like there, it was funny because ESPN was showing the various locker rooms,
celebrating or Fox was or whatever channel it was.
And I like, they had the Lions who were doing really well.
And I believe the Cowboys are doing well this season too.
And then they showed the Packers celebrating like they had just won the Super Bowl.
I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, calm down, calm down guys. It's, it's, it's, you won.
You won. Good job. Good job.
Everyone gets pizza afterwards, but let's tamper expectations.
And my sister and I were at the holiday folk fair during the game yesterday.
And so when I got home, my, my husband updated me on the results and he said, yeah,
they just barely won this and this is not going to be the season.
No.
And even next season is probably not going to be the season.
Most of my friends who are really into the Packers and really into football have said that this is, you know,
anyone who thought that Jordan love was going to come through and be the shining light is, is going to be wrong.
And we talked about this with, with Rami Mackloff a couple of weeks ago.
Brett Favre took a year or two to get going.
Aaron Rogers took a year.
Like it's just not feasible.
And, and like one side of it, my, my friends who are fans are like, yeah, this isn't our year.
And then some fans were like, well, they're terrible.
Well, yeah, they're terrible.
You, you get 30 years of see good seasons for the most part at the worst going eight and eight.
And now all of a sudden reality kicks in and you've have your third starting quarterback like full time in a long time.
Yeah.
It's going to be, it's going to be hard to watch.
It's, and it's going to be rebuilding just like a couple of years.
Just like it's going to be hard to watch the Brewers now as we lost two more players and it's just sell the team.
Mark sell the team.
It's interesting that you say that because as I was looking at Twitter yesterday, all the Bears fans are saying that about the Bears owner because they lost again yesterday.
Oh yeah.
And the Bears fans that, that I see on my timeline, we're losing their minds.
I, the Bears, I like this thing is like, like I said, like you said, football ain't my jam.
I have a lot of friends who are Bears fans and they're tired of being terrible every season or being good and then being like, like going up and then going crashing down hard.
I mean, yeah, there comes a time and with the Brewers, it's totally like right after council left, they put out a statement saying everybody's a possible for, for getting rid of like there's no safe spot.
There's no safe spot on this team.
Got rid of it already to less who wasn't the best player, but he was good and he brought a lot of energy and then now Woodruff is gone.
And yeah, he wasn't going to play next season, but he was one of the best pitchers in the league.
So what are we even doing now?
Are we just, are we a minor league team?
I'm really wanting to Paul noon and has a great baseball podcast, a tailgate podcast.
I think you also listen to it.
They had a good couple episodes about the council situation and where they're going from here.
So speaking of Craig council, when we come back, it's turkey part and day and we're going to bring it home to Wisconsin as well.
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No party party.
Yes, party.
Thank you very much.
A couple of things.
I want to remind you if you are going to be traveling this holiday weekend, big travel is going to be Wednesday.
According to the transportation administration.
So you're going to have lots and lots of company on the roads.
Weather around here, I think looks pretty good, but we're going to find out more tomorrow because our civic media meteorologist Brittany Merlot is going to join us to talk travel conditions for your turkey day plans.
Are you telling me it's time to whine about the weather?
Or it's it's it's wine and weather.
I like whining about the weather.
Brittany's wonderful.
She's great.
We can talk about her barometer collection.
It's very exciting.
See if it's grown or shrank.
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Today, President Biden turns 81.
Happy birthday, Joe.
The oldest president in US history.
Oh man.
It is also a tradition on this date of the pardoning of the turkeys.
The presidential turkey pardon.
The president said today, quote, this is the 76th anniversary of this event.
And I want you to know I wasn't there for the first one.
He pardoned Liberty and Bell.
The two turkeys came from a flock in Minnesota.
They actually stay in a hotel room.
And I pay for it.
We all pay for it.
Yep.
And I did not realize this, but this started in 1947, the tradition of giving a president a turkey for his family to eat.
That started in 1947.
And then eventually when John F. Kennedy was president, when JFK was president, he was uncomfortable with the whole, we're going to eat the bird.
So he decided to give him the day off.
So did they not eat any turkey at all?
JFK broke the tradition of giving the presidential family a turkey to eat.
In 1963, at the time, he said, quote, I think we'll just let this one grow because the turkey that had been presented to him had a sign around its neck that said, good eating, Mr. President.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
So that was how it started.
But I want to know why it now has two.
There's now two turkeys.
No idea.
Calvin, do you know why?
He doesn't know why.
He doesn't know why either.
There was a close call during the Bush administration.
George W. Bush, when Barney, his Scottish Terrier, almost got ahold of the bird.
That wouldn't have been.
It's called the circle of life, baby.
Get on board.
That wouldn't have been a good look with all of the press there.
Could you imagine that happened today, though?
Like.
And like, even though that was what, 20 years ago, that would have been seen like, oh my gosh, the horror.
I can't believe it.
And we'd be laughing now.
But like, oh, that's terrible.
Now they'd be like, Joe Biden's dogs hate America.
They hate freedom.
And they love Turkey.
They love Turkey, but they don't love America.
And this has grown now.
So now governors are doing this.
Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer brought the tradition to Michigan in 2022,
pardoning Turkey named Michigander.
Get it?
Michigander.
Oh, got it.
Michigander.
So dumb.
So dumb.
Alabama has been pardoning turkeys for decades.
This year they were Clyde and Henrietta.
Nobody really knows why.
She liked those names.
Clyde and Henrietta.
Yeah.
Those sound like turkey names.
Liberty and belt.
No, it sounds like it.
No.
In East Texas, there are turkeys named Dolly Parton.
The turkey is named Dolly because she's a strong female role model.
In Texas.
And a tribute to our southern roots.
And she's a very strong literacy advocate.
In Texas.
In Texas.
All right.
I'm just going to swim in the irony of that situation.
Dolly will live out her days at the Believe in Vegan Ranch somewhere in Texas.
Oh, we started thinking about pardoning turkeys.
And turkeys closer to home.
And turkey necks.
And turkey necks.
Should Craig Council be pardoned for leaving the brewers to go to the Cubs?
844-967-2789.
844-96.
Party.
Party.
In the spirit of pardoning day.
Should Craig Council be pardoned for what some have said is betrayal?
Oh, my God.
What do you think?
You are a diehard brewers, then.
You're asking me?
Yes, I am asking you.
People aren't going to like this.
He's committed no crime.
Ooh.
He's committed absolutely no crime.
The worst thing he needs to do, I'm not the worst, the most he needs to do is maybe
call up the Cubs' former coach and say, sorry about that.
Again, that's all.
He got fired after Craig Council was hired.
If he would have been fired beforehand, but you got a job and then all of a sudden you
see on there like, hey, he's got my job.
But is that on Craig Council?
Isn't that on Cubs' management?
Craig Council is a very big proponent of, I got this actually by listening to Paul
Newton's podcast.
Craig Council is very much about the union aspect of baseball, being there for the
players, being there for the people who are involved.
And that's not very exemplary to go into a job.
That's the only thing.
If I was Craig Council, I'd be like, hey, drop your man first and then announce me.
But the fact that that happened so quickly and it overlapped, to me, that's the only
part that isn't cool.
I don't even care that he went to the Cubs.
He just bums me out.
But it doesn't make me go, he owes me an apology.
He's a traitor.
He had to go where the money was, where the support was, where the, you know, and it's
close to home.
What works for his family?
The Midwestern guys.
Do we have a call?
844-967-2789, 844-96 Party should Craig Council be pardoned for leaving the Brewers to go
join the Cubs.
Karina from Milwaukee.
Good morning, Karina.
How do you feel about pardons?
I'm back.
About the Turkey, we're really quick, guys.
And I think we had that conversation before.
Never understood Americans.
Why would they eat something, the Turkey, which will save their life according to the history
of war?
I mean, in any other country, it would become a whole animal.
But in America, they just eat it more.
All right.
So that never understood.
Pardoning for what?
Isn't it that all these teams are corporate?
Do you have a hard feeling when they see you all get fired and another one get hired?
No.
So it's a job.
She got promotion.
She got better job.
What's wrong with you people?
All right.
All right, Karina.
I feel like I'm on your side, but you're still mad at me.
No, no, I'm not mad at anybody.
I just don't understand why people are so...
I mean, this is a player.
They're playing.
They have trainers or coaches or whatever it is.
But ultimately, look at this.
They're trading those players like a stock.
So why wouldn't they do the same thing with coaches?
It's just a job.
I don't disagree with you, Karina.
Not at all.
But I do think there are some fans who take this very, very personally and feel like...
That's like when Farve went to the Vikings and Rogers went to the Jets.
And there are just some folks who really take it personally as a betrayal.
Even though you're right, it is a job.
It's a job.
As far as getting fired and then immediately replaced in radio, my friend,
I had a partner at one time who I knew was going to be fired because they had me take photographs,
promotional photographs with my new co-host before they fired him.
That's terrible.
That's a terrible thing to do.
That's not excusable.
But that happens in a lot of situations.
I don't care.
It's stupid and mean and awful.
And it's, I don't like it.
I don't care if it happens anywhere.
It's just, I don't like it.
But my point is, this has nothing to do with the corporation or the business.
This has to do with the person.
And Craig Counsel has an attitude of like, we are part of this baseball family.
We are part of this team.
We need to be represented.
We need to be taken care of.
If I was Craig Counsel, I would have said, hey, you still have a coach.
Fire him 48 hours later, announce me, but they didn't do that.
And that to me is the only thing Craig Counsel is responsible for other than that.
And by the way, anybody listening to me doesn't agree.
I'll find you a company that'll pay you $8 million a year to do a job.
And I'm going to see how quickly you're going to run to it.
844-967-2789-844-96.
Party.
Texture from the 541.
Only pardon him if he dresses up as a turkey.
What about Mark Atenazio?
Oh, throw him into the lake with a flotation device.
No, no pardon for Mark Atenazio.
No, because he's been doing this for years.
He's been, he's been cultivating a really terrible culture in that, in that base, in that place.
I just think so.
I think by cutting funds, by forcing David Stearns to, to work out the last of his contract instead of letting him go,
which was seen in baseball as a really unprofessional and just not cool.
Really?
David Stearns wanted out of the Brewers organization and he gave us notice and they said,
no, you got to be here until the end of your contract.
And he hated being here and it showed.
So Mark Atenazio can go run soccer teams and he can go be a part of whatever,
but he just needs to sell this team off and let either the current owner's group,
I think there are 17 altogether, or find a majority shareholder who wants to see this team flourish.
He doesn't.
He doesn't at all.
He's going to get his way on the stadium.
He'll probably sell the team.
He's going to run off, do his thing.
But I just think that he is toxic for this organization.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
So no pardon for Mark Atenazio.
No.
He's a billionaire.
He gets like justice alludes those people.
844-967-2789.
Mark from the SAC checking in, listening.
Yes.
Turkeys are an all-American native bird, but they are named after the country of Turkey.
If I remember right, it was called after they had been imported to Turkey and popularized
as the bird from Turkey, like so many New World foods the world now uses.
I am not a big fan of Turkey.
Is he saying that, or did you just say that?
No, I said that.
You're not a big fan of Turkey?
I am not a big fan of Turkey.
Why?
Because I think it's tasteless.
The best part of Thanksgiving is the stuffing.
I would go stuffing and mashed potatoes.
And gravy?
No, no, like a garlic mashed potatoes with a list, a little bit of butter, just a little
bit of butter, but you don't need the gravy for this stuff.
Oh.
No, I love stuffing too.
Don't get me wrong.
I love stuffing.
I like Turkey if it's, you know.
Not too dry.
If it's cooked correctly, you know, it shouldn't need gravy either.
Gravy is one of the best parts of Thanksgiving.
Oh, I know, but you shouldn't have to.
It's like my whole thing with seafood.
I don't think anybody actually likes seafood.
I think they like sauce.
If you're shrimp without sauce, it's disgusting.
You throw in some cocktail sauce.
It's amazing.
But no one wants crab.
They want butter.
No one wants a salad.
They want ranch.
I think you might be onto something there.
I'm very into something here.
Ival, trust me.
There's a whiteboard in my basement with lots of good points.
Well, tomorrow as we get closer to Thanksgiving on Thursday, because we will not be here on
Thursday and Friday, just to give you a heads up.
We are going to be running a carefully curated.
Oh, yeah.
Best of program this coming Thursday and Friday.
But again, you can listen on the app, whatever.
But tomorrow we're going to talk about vetoes and vetoing a dish from the Thanksgiving
table vetoes.
You might like a restaurant.
We're going to talk about vetoes.
Great pizza.
Oh, vetoes.
Love it.
No, no, not vetoes, pizza.
We're going to talk about vetoing, exing, getting rid of one dish from the Thanksgiving
table.
What do you think has to go?
Save those answers.
Save those answers.
We're going to do this tomorrow and then you're going to have to justify your argument.
I know.
I like it.
There's going to be references and footnotes.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back.
You're listening to Asgo's Wisconsin Across the Civic Media Radio Network.
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Good morning.
Welcome to Asgo's Wisconsin.
Jane McNair in for Kristen Brigh.
Greg Bach with me in studio.
Calvin is on the board and you can join us at 844-967-2789-844-96.
Festival.
A party.
Don't confuse people.
I'm being fun.
I'm being fun, Jane.
844-967-2789.
If you're watching the live...
I've read the notes.
People say I'm not fun enough.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I'm not fun enough.
Oh, you're plenty fun.
Okay.
You're plenty fun.
Party.
All right.
We were talking about pardoning.
The pardoning of the turkeys happened today.
President Biden pardoned the turkeys.
And then we started talking about whether or not Craig Council, former brewers manager,
deserves to be pardoned after leaving the crew to join the Cubs for a whole bunch of money.
Mike from Milwaukee is on the line.
Good morning, Mike.
What do you think?
Hi.
Hi.
Yes, definitely.
Craig Council deserves a pardon.
He's a local guy.
He's always been good.
No scandals, no anything.
He's a good dude.
The organization is not being run well.
That's where it comes from.
And it goes to the owner.
It goes to the front office.
And I can't blame the guy.
I'm sorry.
He did his best for a long time and he got as far as he could for a long time.
And that's all I got to say.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Thanks a lot, Mike.
That's pretty much what you said too.
No crime was committed.
I don't have a problem with him going to the Cubs.
I wish him well.
I wish his family well.
Yeah.
Seriously.
Stop vandalizing park signs.
Don't do that, folks.
That's just, no.
It's going to suck, especially if it's opening day.
If they play them, we have to see him like a dozen plus times next year.
I think 14 times next season.
And it will just be difficult because it's difficult to watch Orlando Arcia get on Atlanta and do really well.
It sucks when your guys leave.
But as you said, that, that is a reflection of a more of a reflection of team management.
Absolutely.
Not Craig, not Craig council as the man.
Mike was right.
This is about front office.
This is about ownership.
This is about looking at your team and not like, I don't know.
I just don't get, I've actually had fantasies lately about winning the lottery and buying the brewers.
I mean, like, like, like, like sitting down Mark Antonos, I mean, like, how much does your price take?
And he's like, as a joke being like, I'll take five billion, but I'll give you 10 billion.
Clean out your desk and never come back to the state.
My, my, my, my goodness.
It's, it's, it's the ultimate showing of, of these millionaires playing with their toys.
You know, this team means something to the city and the state and people outside of the state.
And to just be like, well, we'll just do this and do that.
It's like, you don't take us seriously then.
You don't care about us and how we feel.
And you don't care about these players either.
Some of these guys want to stay here.
What is his motivation then to not shell out more money?
He just doesn't want to spend more money.
I think he wants to make as much money without spending it, honestly.
He doesn't care about getting a ring.
He doesn't care about them moving forward and becoming the best team they can.
It's about making as much money as possible without spending it.
Like there are some guys like George Steinbrenner just wanted rings, just wanted rings.
And money was shelled out constantly.
Money was no object of this man.
He would pay hundreds of millions of dollars and do it in a way to say like, oh, you, you want that player?
I'll throw 50 million dollars more on the price on the, on the, on the contract.
Mark Antonizio and there are other owners.
I'm sure I know for sure who are just like, this is my investment.
It's an investment to them.
Baseball teams are surefire investments.
This team is worth, I think 10 times more than what he paid for it originally or five or 10 times.
It's like, so for him, he has no attachment to this city, to this team.
It's an investment.
And he's buying up soccer teams and he's doing other things.
Like sell it to a group, a family or somebody who is going to be like, we want to, even if they're a group, they're like, we want to make more money,
but we're going to do that by giving them money to, to win World Series.
I mean, the Lazarus did the same thing with the bucks.
Right.
And they want a championship and that, I mean, it's working out real well for them.
I mean, they don't, I don't think they own it anymore, but they made some good money.
So I don't know.
Just to me, this is another instance of millionaires playing with their toys and breaking them.
And we get to pick up the pieces.
Well, the first thing I thought of when you made that comparison, it's like Robin Boss sitting on $4 billion, $7 billion.
Yeah.
Because he doesn't want to spend it.
Yeah.
He just wants to sit on it.
Or spend it in a way he wants to spend it instead of, you know, being a cool guy.
I'm a cool guy.
You are a cool guy.
I would totally buy the brewers.
Good to know when you win the lottery, that's going to be the first thing.
I have to win it like three times though.
Yes.
You're going to need a lot.
That's going to be pricey.
It's going to be pricey.
It's going to be hard.
A couple of texts I want to share.
Aaron checking in from the 9 to 0.
People say Greg isn't fun enough.
Are we all listening to the same show?
They're wrong.
Who said that?
Aaron, Aaron, who?
Aaron.
Oh, our Aaron.
Our Aaron.
Oh, Aaron, you're so nice.
Absolutely.
And then Cindy from Wausau.
Again, this is something that we're going to do tomorrow at 11.33 talking about what
dish should be banned from the Thanksgiving table, but you're going to have to justify
it.
You're going to have to explain your reasoning on why the yams have to go if that's your
thing.
Cindy from Wausau checking in.
Gravy is the devil's juices.
Nasty.
Blocker.
Blocked and reported.
Blocked and reported.
I did not realize anyone would have that strong of an emotion anti-gravy.
I want more from this.
I want, I want, who's this again?
This was Cindy from Wausau.
Cindy from Wausau.
Would you do us a favor?
If you can tomorrow, call us.
I want to know what you don't like about gravy and like we're talking like, are you like
beef gravy, mushroom gravy, turkey gravy?
Is there, was there a thing that happened?
Is it too salty to blend?
What happened, Cindy?
Yeah.
What gravy hurt you, Cindy?
What gravy hurt you?
Okay.
Try to be more fun.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
That was very fun.
Thank you.
Yay.
Thank you, Greg Buck.
Calvin, are you having fun?
Every single day.
Wow.
Okay.
There we go.
He's the most contained fun person you've ever seen in your entire life.
Until he gets calviante.
He gets a little spicy sometimes.
Yeah, he gets spicy.
That's not fun though.
I know.
I want you to be like, man, I think this 20-something is going to have a heart attack soon.
Also, tomorrow we're going to talk about her cookie exchange.
Yep.
Is your mother, Calvin, realized she is involved in this now?
Yes.
I informed her this weekend.
Okay.
And I have such a great idea for my cookie.
Oh, you do?
I do.
Is it something magical?
You'll find out.
Oh, now there's a tease.
Yeah, you'll find out.
All right.
Stick around.
Coming up, we have the noon news on the way followed by the wonderful Todd Alba show
from noon to two across the civic media radio network.
We are always lucky to have him being willing to take an hour out of his morning every Monday
to join us from 10 to 11.
So we really enjoy talking to Todd.
Thank you, Todd Father.
Todd Father.
And then following Todd's show at two o'clock, it is Met Flynn Direct, followed by The Devil's
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